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|1 week 15 hours ago||Ive said something similar on||
Ive said something similar on here as well. As much as he's bashed for his bad play when subbing for DG, Shane is as responsible as anybody for helping to bring in that highly rated class he in came in with. Its unfortunate those classes didnt translate on the field, but I still appreciate the effort he put in. The trend of those classes having a "leader recruit" to put a strong class together started with him.
I'll disagree with the "our staff can't evalute talent" theory, though. Its not like Malzone had offers from everywhere else, and we were slacking. With the QB position, its an absolute crapshoot...We've tried to land plenty of players (Treadwell, etc) who became great players, they just chose to go elsewhere.
The staff's ability to "developing talent" is a much easier critique to make.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I honestly wish/hope it was||
I honestly wish/hope it was only rivalry-induced mockery and not something else... b/c when you think of who's the least articulate and/or intelligent person up there, you damn sure dont think Dez. Not with Corso's incoherence being spewed every Saturday.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I have Uverse, and yeah, its||
I have Uverse, and yeah, its free for a week. Its about over now, though.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I dont think he has to "get||
I dont think he has to "get people to remember how good of a coach he is" considering he's been more successful in the NFL than in college... that's not why he will or won't be back in SF next year.
From what people speculate, he seems to be the "rolling stone" type (a la Saban)...which I wouldn't mind at all, honestly. Get the program back on track, worry about the rest later.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Sad part was, offensively,||
Sad part was, offensively, they didn't even play that well. This game more than any else showed how poorly-coached this team is.
I agree with OP, though. I've been in "avoid all Coaching/AD/recruit-jumping threads" mode for the past couple of weeks now. This game wasn't a tipping-point whatsoever. Everything since the Minnesota game has been "just tell me when it's over".
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Real Talk||
I believe the kids refer to this as "real fucking talk tho".
|5 weeks 1 day ago||The only way I could see it||
The only way I could see it happening is if MSU dominated recruiting locally (while still finding diamonds in the rough), while Mich fulfilled Notre Dame's quest to become a dominate national recruiting powerhouse, being able to pull 5-Stars consistantly out of Florida/Cal/TX/etc.
Other than than that, there simply isn't enough talent around Michigan/Ohio anymore in order for Michigan, OSU & MSU to all excell at the same time. And obviously, OSU only has to worry about kids going up north. Mich & MSU can't afford to split talent.
|6 weeks 14 hours ago||jesus...||
|7 weeks 15 hours ago||Didn't listen, but if I did,||
Didn't listen, but if I did, I assume it would confirm what I already knew: Urban Meyer is more articulate & transparent with the media/fanbase than Hoke. I mean...okay.
I think most fans wouldn't give a damn if they had a Spurrier/Parcells type (overly honest about team), or a Belichick/Popovich type (couldn't care less about how much the media/fans know) as long as the team produces...and that's for any fanbase.
|8 weeks 15 hours ago||100% agree w/ last paragraph||
I reached my tipping point with this sotry when Denard Robinson tweeted support for Hoke (basically saying how much Hoke cares about his players, which, um, he would know about), and there were several comments under his tweet basically telling Denard to "fuck off", most of which were coming from Michigan "fans". Just another reminder of how disgusting sports can be sometimes...
Im officially at the point where, I'll still watch every game because I'm emotionally invested & support the athletes...but all of the other bullsh*t? Just wake me up when it's over.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||...I see somebody hasn't seen||
...I see somebody hasn't seen the "Chappelle Show" before.
The overreaction was gold, though.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Honestly, if we realy want to||
Honestly, if we realy want to get this fixed, recruits should be the absolute last thing on anybody's mind right now. We shouldn't expect ANY of these kids to stay. If they do, they should be greeted with blowjobs from the finest of cambodian immigrants immediately upon arrival on campus.
On another, but related note, seeing Shane Morris getting this type of press on ESPN (for all the wrong reasons) took me back to his recruiting process. Remember how much hope there was when he was coming in? How much of an ambassador he was trying to be for the program & the efforts he made to bring in that class? That shit seems like a decade ago...and it also should be a reminder to us about how much less hype we should give these kids before they actually accomplish anything.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||What's being said? Players||
What's being said? Players complaining? I haven't seen anything...
This is by far the most disheartening part of all this, btw.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Truthfully, I think the||
Truthfully, I think the outrage has more to do with how bad we suck right now. If Michigan was 4-0 heading into this game, and 5-0 exiting it, the outrage wouldn't be the same.
Im not saying Hoke handled this situation correctly (he didnt), Im simply saying we suck right now, and everything is being over-analyzed right now (and rightfullly so).
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Any incoming recruit that||
Any incoming recruit that decides to stay committed after this game/season deserves unlimited blowjobs...
|9 weeks 4 days ago||I think the best example of||
I think the best example of this was a couple of games ago when Funchess was out and Darboh had about 8 catches. Did Amara just have a random great game, or did he just replace Funchess & DG locked in to his primary target? Feels like the latter, right?
...Which also makes me think, maybe our skill positions are more talented than we think (these recruiting services couldn't have been wrong on ALL of these guys), we just don't have the QB and/or system to utilize them.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Never said Shane was...||
Never said Shane was, simply saying Gardner isn't. I actually said in another thread yesterday:
"MSU's offense looked similarly horrible last year until they found their QB, then they took off. Their offensive staff didn't magically get better, it just turned out they had the wrong QB under center. Shane may not be ready to take the offense any further, but for where this team is, we need to see what he has....but here's the conundrum: We have coach who is under "win now" pressure, but his team's most talented players (on both sides of the ball) simply aren't ready to help the team do so. So unless Gardner magically improves, we're fucked either way."
|9 weeks 5 days ago||In order for this offense to||
In order for this offense to work to it's full potential (a la Bama), either the QB has to be elite, or he must be surrounded with gamebreakers. One or the other. And therein lies the problem. You can't have an average QB, with serviceable RB's & a young o-line. Not with this system. The point that Rick Neuheisel was trying to make earlier this week absolutely applies to this team. Every aspect of this offense is somewhere inbetween "mediocre" to "above average". A great QB can cover a lot of that up. Or a dominant run game. We have neither. The raw talent is on this roster, but it's simply been "raw" for too long. But I guess that's what should have been expected from a position coach masquerading as a head coach.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||MSU's offense looked||
MSU's offense looked similarly horrible last year until they found their QB, then they took off. Their offensive staff didn't magically get better, it just turned out they had the wrong QB under center. Shane may not be ready to take the offense any further, but for where this team is, we need to see what he has....but here's the conundrum: We have coach who is under "win now" pressure, but his team's most talented players (on both sides of the ball) simply aren't ready to help the team do so. So unless Gardner magically improves, we're fucked either way.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||You do realize how this could||
You do realize how this could never work, right?
|9 weeks 5 days ago||Might have just seen the end||
Might have just seen the end of Hoke's career with that throw...
|11 weeks 3 days ago||I said this in another||
I said this in another thread, but
"it's one thing to whiff on a couple of players (it happens in every program, every year), but there's no f*cking way we whiffed on 2 whole classes of O-Linemen. That's the part that's confusing to me. Because it can't be that we are misevaluating ALL of these players, beause we were close to landing Josh Garnett, and he's balling at Stanford. Just poor player development all around here."
I usually hate going straight to coach-blaming (a la Bill Simmons), because it's usually just lazy rationale to why said team isn't playing well...but in this case, I really don't see any other answer. For whatever reason, guys just aren't developing here.
|11 weeks 4 days ago||Honestly, I was never high on||
Honestly, I was never high on Green. I caught flack for saying this before, but if you look at his HS highlights, you see the exact same thing: he doesn't really make anything "extra" happen. He's a power back that doesn't run with any power. 230, but goes down on first contact. And when he does get out in space, no stiff arms against DB's, no juking LB's, nothing. In order for him to look competent, he needs to have a play unfold perfectly on the first level. Hasn't shown he has the ability to make anything happen if needed to improvise.
Perception wise, I was just happy we were able to land a recruit that highly thought of, because that was the knock at the time. I was also hoping that the things I was thought he was lacking could be taught(and he did look good in the HS AA game, which raised my hopes), but that doesn't seem to be the case. I just remember being much higher on Ty Isaac, who reminded me of Le'Veon Bell.
With that being said, it's one thing to whiff on a RB, but there's no f*cking way we whiffed on 2 whole classes of O-Linemen. That's the part that's confusing to me. Because it can't be that we are misevaluating ALL of these players, beause we were close to landing Josh Garnett, and he's balling at Stanford. Just poor player development all around here.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Honest to god, I don't plan||
Honest to god, I don't plan on listening to sport-talk radio for a few weeks. I won't be able to take it.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||It is starting to feel like||
It is starting to feel like Funchess is in line for a Jimmy Graham/Aaron Hernandez (minus, well...you know) type of impact in the NFL. He wont end up with a more prolific college career than the some of Michigan's greats, but it wouldn't be surprising if he ended up having the most successful NFL career of any WR/TE (a la Brady not being the greatest UM QB ever, but being the greatest QB to come out of the school).
|14 weeks 2 days ago||Beyond the obvious aspect of||
Beyond the obvious aspect of a player's future earning power being put in jeopardy (which I would never wish on anyone), what sucks the worst about this is, I thought OSU was overrated/absolutely beatable coming into this season...and this gives they're fanbase a copout if their season goes awry.
A lot of things would have had to fall in place for them this year to truly live up to a "top 5" billing - not in win total (we know the B1G is bad & their schedule being lightweight), but actual team quality. They played 2 good teams last year, lost both. Was a 2pt conversion away from ending the season on a 3-game losing streak...and they lost a few of their best players from THAT team. That preseason ranking was purely off prestige/Urban nuthugging by media.
|17 weeks 5 days ago||Huge get. Most talented||
Huge get. Most talented player in the state, imo. Between him & Ty Isaac, pretty much completely nullifies the Damien Harris/George Campbell loss...
|30 weeks 4 days ago||^ - Their 2nd best RB||
^ - Their 2nd best RB (Williams, who looked really good last year as a FR) didn't play. - Their safeties are legit, they are loaded there. Its at CB were they should have problems.
Its impossible to take that much away from that game, especially considering the talent is split up across teams. Nothing is going to look cohesive, nor should it. Same for UM, too (or any team's spring game).
I don't believe they will be dominant defensively as we've seen in the past few years, but they might be able to make up for it offensively this year. The key is their O-Line. They have to replace everything up front. That Oregon game will be very telling about where they actually are talent wise.
The one thing that does bother me, though, is that it just looks like MSU has better athletes, which is something I simply don't understand. It would actually make more sense if they were just "coached up" better than us, but a lot of those guys just look bigger/stronger/faster. The talent we have should = better athletes, even if they haven't come along as football players yet, but it actually seems to be the reverse. Some of our players are very skilled, but lack elite athletic talent.
I frequent another message board, and one of the members questioned what UM was doing with it's S&C. I'm starting to feel the same way...
|30 weeks 4 days ago||I just hope he gives OSU the||
I just hope he gives OSU the "Lysol" treatment more than a few times throughout his career...
|34 weeks 1 day ago||He's been on the record||
He's been on the record saying MSU & Kentucky are his "dream schools" a year ago or so, but other than that, hasn't spoken to anybody about his recruitment. His fam/coaches don't allow him to speak to anybody. His circle is about as tight-lipped as it gets when it comes to his future.
...so if you see any of those "experts" speculate on where he'll end up, its just them making uneducated guesses. Whoever made those "crystal ball" selections are those who are comfortable talking out of their asses.
...and yea, he's the most talented scorer to come out of Michigan since The Iceman. He has "T-Mac: The Sequel" written all over him....