Connor Stalions gives Dave Pornoy note about Ryan Day being suspended

Submitted by mrkid on November 28th, 2023 at 12:46 PM

Whatever you feel about Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports, this is pretty hilarious. Connor Stalions walks up and gives Dave Portnoy a note on his pregame show saying that Ryan Day will be suspended for longer than Jim Harbaugh was.


Can confirm it’s him https://t.co/KTIyhXKWGo

— Josh Henschke (@JoshHenschke) November 28, 2023

goblu330

November 28th, 2023 at 12:48 PM ^

I really, REALLY hate that video and think it will be news we don't want.  It is a free country and he is a citizen in good standing but I would strongly prefer not to see him anywhere near Michigan football in any way, shape or form.

JHumich

November 28th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^

Michigan have to distance themselves for obvious reasons, but w/o the PI/PR hit job, the whole thing is a big nothing-burger. I'm actually working hard to discipline my own heart/mind not to bear any ill will toward the guy that would only be there because of what *others* made use of him to do to Michigan.

That said, it would be a more hilarious prank if it was just Austin, Dave's assistant for all the pizza videos. There's only one way that I think "more Stalions press" is a good thing for us. And that's if there's a money trail of him being paid by CMU, or working for other teams, etc., displaying that he was basically just an independent contractor trying to sell a product—and a bad/stupid product at that. Even better if his other employers, once outed, talked about how unreliable his decoded signs actually ended up being.

goblu330

November 28th, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^

Yeah, it was a nothing-burger that got our coach suspended and an assistant coach fired, and resulted in litigation by Michigan against the BIG and an NCAA investigation.  I don't have like animus toward him like I would shout him down on the street, but this is incredibly stupid.  Stupid of both Portnoy and Stalions.  This will be an ESPN story by the end of the day and will keep the story alive through this weekend.  Book it.

The Mad Hatter

November 28th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^

Yes, it was a nothing-burger, that's why it's so infuriating.  An interested party affiliated with our biggest enemy hired a PI firm to dig up any and all possible dirt on the program, and all they found was a bullshit level 2 or 3 violation.  They then engaged what I'm assuming was a PR firm to release the information in the most damaging way possible in order to force the NCAA / Big 10 to take action.  The NCAA, much as they despise Harbaugh, probably wouldn't have even investigated this crap if it wasn't leaked to the "press".

You really think other teams aren't in-person scouting their opponents?  We already know they conspired together to steal our signals and pass them amongst themselves.

I'm not saying Connor Stalions was an angel, but we didn't even fire him, he resigned!

This whole thing is bullshit.

Chris S

November 28th, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^

I know this is an armchair perspective but I really think we gotta quit hating on the dude. If the NCAA does, in fact, change the rule about in-person scouting then it would be dope to hire him right back. Along with Partridge. The kid was obviously really good at what he was doing.

Eng1980

November 28th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^

If he was good . . .

There would be a play on tape that showed Michigan sniffed out a play without tells or previews (like down & distance, personnel in the field, game earlier in season)

And Jim Harbaugh would know all about with a trail back to CS.

I think Stalions was desperate to find something and came up short.  My estimate, anyway.

Casco Goat

November 28th, 2023 at 5:12 PM ^

The kid was obviously really good at what he was doing.

First of all, I don't think there's any evidence that he was good at it at all (and nor is there evidence that he was bad at it either). Second, if you accept the argument that stolen signs are more or less meaningless, he was either good, bad, or average at something that provides almost no tangible benefit. The team was winning with him on the sidelines, the team is winning without him on the sidelines. I'd just as soon never hear his name again. Not to badmouth him, not to praise him, just let him go back to being a normal person.

Chris S

November 28th, 2023 at 9:29 PM ^

Fair point, I don't have any evidence of him being good or bad, just giving him the benefit of the doubt because the staff, overall, is really good. Or, at least, seems really good from an outside perspective.

The argument you made (and I've read in other posts) that we won without him showing he had no benefit is a tough conclusion to draw. We won without Corum and Morris last year.

And also, assuming other teams we play have a sign-stealing guy, him not being on the sidelines puts us behind, unless another analyst or whatever steps into that role and taking some attention away from whatever else he was doing.

The Maize Halo

November 28th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^

What?  We got caught.  That doesn't mean you hate the guy.  They fired him because they had no other option when in the middle of all the stories and investigating.  If you really think he and only he fucked up -- that's just our story because it has to be our story -- you get that, correct?

The dude fell on the sword as much as he possibly could to try to save the rest of the team and program he loves -- and it kind of worked so far.

goblu330

November 28th, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^

Uh.... no, I don't get that.  And that is not what I think the story is.  Do you?  You think somebody from Michigan put him on CMU's sidelines?  You think he was following orders to have randos video opponent footage of f-ing Indiana and Purdue on an iphone?  Maybe you think the story is different than the rest of us, then?

The Maize Halo

November 28th, 2023 at 1:24 PM ^

I don't think he was following orders.

I do think the entire program benefitted from his actions and that a modern-day college football program is such a detail-oriented, close-knit, industrial machine that it would be extremely unlikely to impossible that somehow none of the coaches know anything about this guy doing this.

That doesn't mean there is proof of that, though -- so the story is that -- yeah -- this one weird guy just had a wild obsession and did all of this in-person, vast-network stuff just for the benefit of him to get better at a sign-stealing job he was already very good to great at (just from watching legal film) so that he could promote himself even farther and move up the ranks even faster.

That's what I mean.

GBBlue

November 28th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

I see no reason to get so far out in front of the evidence.

I'm not at all sure the Michigan AD is such a "detail-oriented" "industrial machine" that it can be assumed to be unerringly competent and aware at all times of what its staffers are doing. In fact, were I to find fault with the AD, it would be precisely that its hiring and oversight practices are far too loose. See, e.g., Weiss, Schemy, Stalions, the sex offender guy, maybe Partridge, etc. At present, there is literally no evidence coaches knew about Stalions' amateurish shenanigans. If the evidence changes, we should adjust our opinions.  In the meantime, the wild number of assumptions you make in just about every sentence (read it over and ask yourself, "Is there evidence, or is that just speculation?") is completely unjustified. 

The Maize Halo

November 28th, 2023 at 2:11 PM ^

My first comment was speculative opinion.  My second comment was a response to requested speculation, which I now continue here.  I highly doubt there will ever be proof of any coach ordering stallions to do something or something that shows communication between stallions and a coach where a coach would be proven to have known about what stallions was doing.  It is not that kind of operation that would be talked about -- it would be more an "understood" operation.

Which is also why I don't think some terrible future punishment is coming, because the damming evidence of something going higher up the chain will probably never exist.

 

djmagic

November 28th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^

I do think the entire program benefitted from his actions and that a modern-day college football program is such a detail-oriented, close-knit, industrial machine that it would be extremely unlikely to impossible that somehow none of the coaches know anything about this guy doing this.

 

I disagree.  He was the 'signs guy'.  it was probably expected that he spent X% of his time every week scouring film to decipher opponent signs.  Do you think his superiors knew that a a portion of the film he was studying was iphone footage taken from the bleachers by random people?   I don't.  I don't think any of his superiors would think to ask.  Why would they?  

 

AppleFritters4Life

November 28th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^

I don't necessarily believe the Indiana and purdue games were for us exclusively.

As has been uncovered as common practice during this investigation, teams swap signs. I think having other teams signs is leverage for the ones you actually want. 

IE: hey rutgers, I'll give you indiana and purdue (2 teams you can actually beat) for penn state. 

BananaRepublic

November 28th, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

If you hate that guy, then you're just another dupe that OSU got one over on. We don't have to throw a parade in his honor but the guy did a thing that everyone does and idiots who know nothing were made to believe by a cynical press that THIS GUY IS THE WORST. It's like pulling a guy over for going 56 in a 55 and convincing the non driving public that he is a serial killer. Sucks that our enemies used him against us but if you get suckered by their BS, that's on you.

goblu330

November 28th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

I don't hate the guy.  I think he got carried away and did some things everybody on the coaching staff would have told him not to do and it got the program in hot water.  And I think appearing publicly in Ann Arbor the day of the OSU game on a pregame talkshow is something that I, again, wish he would not have done.  But to each their own.

bronxblue

November 28th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

Yeah, I feel bad for Stalions because he really just seems like an over-zealous fanboy who got a chance to actually live his dream, and doesn't seem particularly malicious in his actions.  But the absolute last thing he should be doing now is popping up in or around college football.  I assume he doesn't have an attorney or anyone else advising him because if so they'd have told him that Dave Portnoy is not looking out for his best interests and this will only be negative for him in the end.

RealElonMusk

November 28th, 2023 at 2:28 PM ^

Disagree- the best way to deal with the minimal violation that occurred is to mock it & laugh at the silliness that is in play-  Sign stealing is legal, sharing signs that coaches have stolen with other coaches is legal, but having someone tape a game with an iphone is a big problem?   

The whole thing is ridiculous and while the University may have to act as though it is something serious, everyone else in the pro Michigan world should just laugh at how ridiculous this whole thing is.