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I think winning the…

I think winning the conference is a bigger ask this year given the tougher schedule M has vs that of OSU.  M has a much smaller margin for error in that regard. 

I don't do brackets anymore,…

I don't do brackets anymore, but the last few years that I did, I took an approach that ignored basketball altogether, and instead did it from a "which mascot would win in a street-fight" angle.

it was a lot more fun.  breaking down the match-ups could be, at times, hilarious.

The comment i was responding…

The comment i was responding to was your comment in response to the suggestion that he be tested every day to keep his job.  You responded that that would be ineffective and overreaching.

I'm pointing out that the courts disagree with you.  It's highly likely that the judge will put him on alcohol monitoring (i.e. testing) at his first court appearance, and it's likely he'll remain on it to some degree until he completes his probation.  if he blows dirty, the judge could throw him in jail.

I don't know what part you think is ineffective or overreaching, but the courts find it both effective and reasonable.  If a person disagrees, they're welcome to sit in jail if they'd rather not adhere to conditions offered by the judge in lieu of incarceration.

Daily alcohol monitoring is pretty effective, and compared to jail, is hardly an overreach, imo.  Are there ways for people to get around it if they're hell-bent on drinking?  yes, kind of...anybody capable of doing basic math can figure out exactly how many drinks they can have, and what time they need to stop, in order to be able to blow zeroes by 8:59am the following morning.  But it's also true that the judge and/or probation officer can order an ETG at any time for any reason, which can detect alcohol metabolites from any alcohol consumed in the previous 96hours.  

so for the large majority of people, alcohol monitoring is neither ineffective, nor an overreach.

I would disagree with …

I would disagree with 'ineffective and an overreach'. 

When alcohol monitoring is ordered by the court (and it often is by local judges, even for first offenses), it can be daily, or several times per week at random, and you get a choice of having a device in-home that reports data automatically, or you go to the probation department at the courthouse each morning between 5-9am to blow.  The first option is more convenient, but is somewhat expensive, though for a guy making mid-6figures, the fee is probably a non-factor.

I think you hit on a few…

I think you hit on a few important things here...

He was 8 days into a new job, and this was the weekend before Spring Practice is set to begin.  that he felt it necessary or appropriate to be out and impaired at 3am raises a red flag or two...that he decided to get behind the wheel raises a couple of more...that it's not the first time he's made that bad decision raises still more.  I can't speak to how much he may or may not value the opportunity that was/may still be in front of him, but from the sideline it looks like he may be having trouble prioritizing, for whatever reason.

For some people (self included), getting put in handcuffs, spending a night in jail, and having to humble one's self in front of a judge (and adhere to all conditions set forth by said judge to stay out of jail) is enough to motivate drastic life changes.  Others don't find doing all of that only once to be enough to motivate those changes.

I'd be surprised if Moore decides to keep him on, but either way, I hope he's able to address whatever it is he needs to address to live a healthy, happy life going forward.

they were incidents from 10…

they were incidents from 10 and 14 years ago.  beat writers probably didn't bother looking for criminal history.  ::shrug::

but that's not the crime…

but that's not the crime Scruggs committed.  the court doesn't punish potential - they act on what actually happened.  I'm sorry about whomever in your life was hurt by a drunk driver, but it wasn't Scruggs that hurt them.  

 

and yea, there's a huge difference between .09 and .24.  In fact, there's such a difference that they're separate crimes with separate punishments in this state, for exactly the reason that you're indirectly talking about - the increased risk to public health/safety.

well, if he was arrested for…

well, if he was arrested for DUI causing severe injury, or DUI causing death, we'd be having a different conversation.   The court doesn't punish an individual for crimes they might have committed.  Nor should an employer.  If Moore wants to fire him because this kind of judgment isn't leadership material, fine.  But the "what could have happened" line of thinking isn't terribly useful here - Scruggs himself will get to ponder that every day for some time to come.

out of curiosity, where are…

out of curiosity, where are people seeing 3rd offense? 

 

edit: i've now seen links posted itt describing the full history. 

you really need this…

you really need this explained?  maybe math helps:  one is 37% over the legal limit.

the other is 3x the legal limit.

per michigan law, the court…

per michigan law, the court will consider it a 1st offense (though Sherrone may not).  But your bloodlust is noted.

I doubt they'll wait for…

I doubt they'll wait for that...it could take 6 months to get through the court process.

I bet they'll wait until the police report is available and make a decision shortly thereafter.

and for legal purposes this is a first offense, but for life purposes, this is his second, and I imagine that's something Sherrone might factor into the decision, though the court won't.

everybody makes mistakes.  some mistakes aren't forgiven by some employers when the individual in question is functioning in a mentoring and leadership role.   depending on circumstances and specifics, this almost certainly isn't something Scruggs can't come back from...but it may be something he can't come back to Michigan from this year.

Addressing the two questions…

Addressing the two questions with simplistic answers:

 

Re: M's OL - I think the success is more systemic than anything else.  Maybe that's just because I want to see it continue, but i really think it's more the due to coaching, scheme, and M's S&C program than it is the bonus Covid year.

 

Re: Opt-outs, granted, it's easy for me to sit here and say this when my reputation and livelihood aren't dependent upon decisions I'm making about a 250m/yr payroll, but if i were a GM, I don't think my decisions would be too heavily influenced by a guy opting out of combine workouts.  most of the players I'm looking at have 2years of film to evaluate.  If a guy doesn't want to risk getting hurt and/or having a bad day, I get it.  disappointing, but, i get it.  2 years of game film tell me more than a couple of afternoons of non-contact drills.

yea but the 11W belief is…

yea but the 11W belief is that we were just an awful team who got better when we let an analyst start soliciting bleacher-shot game footage from fans.  but some in this thread think we'd be best served by refuting the words of every buckeye idiot who thinks along those lines.

the best way for gattis to…

the best way for gattis to handle it would be to not give it any oxygen.   instead he's feeding the fire.

in this day and age, one…

in this day and age, one shouldn't think that refuting every perceived slight or falsehood on the internet is A) productive, or B) any kind of a good idea.    There will always be stupid people who think stupid things, no matter how many hours you spend banging away at your keyboard.

Gattis should know this by now, but his actions indicate otherwise.

Same, but i'm choosing to…

Same, but i'm choosing to think about it as growing pains, rather than an end result.

evolution is messy.

the revenue distribution…

the revenue distribution model is fucked.  but there's no chance of getting the networks to take smaller margins.  and most P5 programs are already nearing or at the max that they can squeeze from fans insofar as seat donations, tickets costs, and monies spent in-person once at an event.

e.g. the B1G members currently pull in ~60m/yr from the broadcasting rights contract, yet less than half the athletic departments in the conference get above the red line on the financial ledger.

 

Yea but Bobby Axelrod was…

Yea but Bobby Axelrod was right when he said "What's the point in having 'Fuck You' money if you don't say 'Fuck You' once in a while?"

"This is the part where it's…

"This is the part where it's tampering and the NCAA is powerless to do a dang thing.  But, bring the hammer for signs and cheeseburgers."

 

And this highlights why I think(hope) the current lawsuit is going to be the demise of the NCAA as any kind of regulatory/enforcement body.  If Team A can go outside the current rules to offer a player form Team B a big paycheck to transfer and the NCAA can't punish them, then the NCAA looks ridiculous trying to hammer Team C for cheeseburgers or asking fans to record games from the bleachers.   The whole thing is absurd.

I'd say the thinking…

I'd say the thinking embodied by this post is a bit misguided - at almost any program not named Michigan, he's not a 'backup'.   Hence being brought into a likely lucrative starting role at Alabama.

Had either Paige or Moore opted for the draft, Sabb would be starting here.

No cap and no contracts.  It…

No cap and no contracts.  It's not sustainable, but it's wild to watch.

your post kind of underlines…

your post kind of underlines my point.  and who said anything about 10%?  

If people are asking how M can keep up with the more sophisticated/well-funded NIL programs around the country, one idea would be to tap a 'vast network' of former players who are all among the top 2% of income earners in the country. 

I pay enough money to be able to attend and watch games, and I'm decidedly not in that top 2%.

I don't understand the…

I don't understand the downvotes here.  Let's not turn this board into 11W.  disagreeing with an observation or a take is not downvote worthy imo.    Many of us don't like the reality 91wolverine is pointing out, but that doesn't make it less true.

 

the truth is that the modern era of the game now requires a staff to recruit new talent from high school and the portal, while also re-recruiting their own roster every year.  it sucks, but that's one of the results of the portal and NIL being part of the landscape now.

Maybe M doesn't have a…

Maybe M doesn't have a fanbase that's willing to throw their wallets at winning football games to the extent that other programs do?   seems like an organized effort to solicit NIL donations from former players now playing in the NFL might be a good idea, but beyond that, I'm not sure how M keeps up with the Joneses.

I'm reminded of a certain…

I'm reminded of a certain writer's penchant for the phrase "juke a guy in a phone booth" when describing Corum runs...

If the Athletic Department…

If the Athletic Department wants to entice fans to show up in the 'off-peak' part of the season, they should at least consider dropping ticket and concession prices during the winter holiday break and spring break. 

I feel your pain - I also have a family of 4, and we recently attended a game with friends.  Our friend works at the U and was able to get upper bowl seats for $10/per, which was great.  But even with the discounted tickets, factoring in concessions and parking (they charged for parking at Pioneer, which was news to me for basketball games) it was still ~$130 for our family of 4 to watch a team that, as often as not, looks like they don't care to be there.  Why would anyone choose to pay full price for that, AND kill 3 or more hours of a weekend afternoon to do it?

How do they not have an intern who can brainstorm some promotions for the less popular parts of the season?  Start selling upper-bowl tickets + a voucher for a water or soft drink, and a popcorn or pretzel, for $15 ($30 for lower bowl?), and I bet they start putting more behinds in seats for those games scheduled during breaks.

OP, your OP comes off as…

OP, your OP comes off as though you don't understand that an aspect of fandom, insofar as it pertains to event attendance, is a market transaction, and as such, market forces apply (to varying degrees, based on the individual).

 

If you want to knock the Athletic Department for selling tickets on the open market as opposed to giving them to specific people/groups, ok, fine (though remember that the Athletic Department, for most intents and purposes, is also a for-profit enterprise).  But to criticize the fans who decide that the cost:benefit analysis doesn't work out in favor of going to these games is just kind of silly.

 

this strikes me less as …

this strikes me less as 'transition costs' and more retention costs...He wants to get a season of starter-quantity snaps on tape before entering the '25 draft.  With Moore and Paige returning, that wasn't going to happen without an injury to one of those two.  That he might luck into a bigger NIL bag while hunting for a starting job is just a bonus.  I'd bet dollars to donuts that he'd be staying if Moore and/or Paige had left.

28-1 seems like good volume…

28-1 seems like good volume to me.

true.  but i'd bet $5 and a…

true.  but i'd bet $5 and a bucket of army men that 17 of those 18 guys get drafted if there are no injuries between now and the draft.

Isn't he about to finish his…

Isn't he about to finish his MSW at Michigan?

 

this whole thing makes very little sense.  but it should also be of very little concern.  he was not a contributor on the defense, and our new defensive staff will almost certainly be changing signals, in which case Joey won't have much (if any) useful info to give them that they can't learn from watching game film. 

here's to hoping he feeds…

here's to hoping he feeds them a bunch of bullshit... 

Is he going there to finish…

Is he going there to finish out his baseball eligibility?  Hasn't he been in school since the Clinton Administration?

Retaining Juwan while…

Retaining Juwan while demonstrating an inability (or worse, an unwillingness) to help Moore retain/assemble a staff are absolutely data points supporting the notion that he's simply in over his head.   C'mon Santa - give Warde 'The Handshake' and let's find an AD capable of running a top-tier, major conference Athletic Department.  

Jim deserves a stink-eye here too. imo.

most organizations are less…

most organizations are less than eager to violate criminal statutes.

many organizations in the sphere of major college sports give very few fucks about NCAA bylaws.

 

the fact that different states have different laws about how NIL can work is incredibly relevant, and rather impactful.

pardon me if I've missed a…

pardon me if I've missed a big story somewhere, but out of curiosity, has there been any reporting indicating that Moore has actually interviewed any DC candidates yet?

from what I've read, unless…

from what I've read, unless Harbaugh is able to ensure Herbert is paid almost 2x what the highest paid S&C coach in the NFL is paid, Herbert is taking a significant paycut to follow Harbaugh.  

How that fits with what Balas is reporting, I don't know, but after Balas' "Harbaugh is is back in the building today" nonsense, I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. 

What would be a baseline NIL…

What would be a baseline NIL deal?

If the baseline is not enough for a recruit, do you engage in bidding wars?

How can you tell the difference between a "mercenary", and a kid who wants to get paid but also get developed?

Would you pay recruits to visit? 

Lastly, would you wait to see if one of these approaches (OSU, Hurricanes, Aggies) results in a National Title before jumping into the pay-for-play, inducement game?

 

Baseline deal wouldn't be too dissimilar from a pro contract - players get benefits when they show up and begin work with the program.  the benefits grow each year, with performance incentives.

no engagement in bidding wars.  if a kid wants to show up and work his tail off for a chance at a bigger check, come on in.  if he wants dollars guaranteed before taking a snap, look elsewhere young man.

i'm not sure you could always tell the difference between mercs and kids who are highly motivated - their may not always be a difference.  but longevity should be rewarded, to incentivize a better team atmosphere and culture.

I think keeping up with the Jonses is important to a degree, but Michigan has lagged with NIL, and just brought home a Championship anyways.   Yes, a lot of circumstances had to be just right, but, nobody said winning championships is easy.  If we believe the gossip, OSU is one of the biggest bag-throwers in the game, and they haven't won a championship yet since bagging became legal.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

this board is trending…

this board is trending towards 11W territory as far as people dishing out negs for simply disagreeing with a post, rather than saving them for people who are being uncivil or discussing things dishonestly/in bad faith.

If OP's post was not based in anything resembling fact, negging the post would be appropriate.

Negging the post for simply not liking what OP is saying is a mis-use of the feature, imo.

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Michigan could have handled…

Michigan could have handled this a lot better, but I'm not sure if that would have kept Jim Harbaugh at Michigan.

 

This has become more and more obvious...Michigan could have handled the negotiations process better, but they were never going to be able to offer him a chance at a Superbowl, and without that, what they offered wasn't really going to matter.

Whether Jim and Warde like each other or not is almost irrelevant at this point. 

I'm sure more of the fanbase is more interested in how the new staff is coming together.  Bacon focusing on the clickbait high school gossip stuff is beneath him, imo. 

so Balas reports he was back…

so Balas reports he was back in Schembechler Hall hours ago, and Dianna Russini reports that he's still in L.A. as of 40minutes ago.  

reporting on Harbaugh/M Football has gotten absurd. 

what you did there...I see…

what you did there...I see it.

NIL is likely a factor, but…

NIL is likely a factor, but the academic aspect of transferring into Michigan as an undergraduate are probably still our most limiting factor.  When a kid comes in from Stanford, and most of his credits don't transfer, there's a problem.   I'd like to see Ono get this fixed.

Could he be gone?  I'd say…

Could he be gone?  I'd say he's almost assuredly gone, unless Warde offers him the HC position, and I'm not even sure that would keep him here, even IF Warde felt so inclined (and we have no reason to think he does).   

It tells me that Ownership…

It tells me that Ownership isn't quite clear on what it is that they want.   That they don't have a GM yet is interesting, but i'm not sure it's the kind of interesting that make them any more or less likely to hire Harbaugh.  The chatter that ownership might not be eager to give harbaugh the control he wants is probably the most encouraging thing for those of us who are hoping Harbaugh remains at Michigan.

come north young man!

come north young man!

walker would have been…

walker would have been competing for the starting Corner spot opposite Will Johnson.  McBurrows was/is most likely to replace Sainristil at NB.   from my understanding, anyways.  I welcome correction if wrong here.

This seems like an NIL/Bag associated transfer, and not a playing time transfer. 

given the timing involved…

given the timing involved here, i don't think it'd be a terrible idea to offer Moore a 2yr contract and see what happens.  If Warde doesn't like his performance toward the end of year 1, he can start looking for a replacement when it makes sense to do so.  Trying to find a college head coach in February is...less than ideal.  Anyone worthy of consideration already has a job at this point.

Unless Warde knows who the next Kalen DeBoer is, AND can poach him, i think holding the cards he has makes the most sense for the 2024 season.