Lets talk Heisman contenders after Week 1. Who ya got for now?

lol @ you using bullet points as if it gives that bs more credence. I don’t remember a soul saying any of things except for Shoelace, which wasn’t exclusive to the school’s fan base. That was very much a national buzz, and rightfully so at those points of the season. 

I think everyone was happy with Tate Forcier in year one and JJ last year but no one suggested either should win the Heisman. JJ didn't get anywhere near enough attempts to justify that even if many think he's capable if given the opportunity. 

Denard had hype and deservedly so. The team wasn't good enough to help him get to the finish line. 

Owch.

Please find threads where people thought JJ won the Heisman last September. 

Your take is bad and you should feel bad

Plenty of contention on this site whether JJ should even start this time last year

This is far closer to 11W behavior than MGoBlog behavior, despite what your fanbase might suggest regarding September Heismans. Our one egregious error as a site was getting too high on Shea Patterson entering 2019, but even in context that doesn’t seem outlandish given what his supporting cast looked like in August/September of that year. Meanwhile 11W predicts OSU to have the best offense and defense every year, has been harping on “Silver Bullets” and “BIA” non-stop, etc etc. 

Pot meet the fucking kettle 

Can Hunter play that many snaps and last even half the year, much less the entire season? A lot of pressure on one player who other teams will scheme to take away if he continues to be featured on offense like that 

I suppose Sanders is next Brady?  

One year at FCS and a win at TCU, you want to assign this comparison?  Hunter ain't Woodson.  Not. even. close.  End debate.

This. Woodson was the best player on the best defense in the nation that let up less than 10 points per game on the way to an undefeated season and a national championship. The Heisman usually goes to a player on a national championship contender. Colorado isn’t going to be that and they definitely won’t take his defensive accomplishments into consideration if he is the best player on a team that lets up 42 points per game.

I don’t want anyone to take what I say and get the wrong idea, so I want to make it clear that I understand Woodson is one of the best defenders of all time. But let me just say, as a two way player, there is a chance that Hunter ends up being better overall. People act like he was a nobody before coming to Colorado and because he only played at Jackson State he had lots to prove. He was rated as the number one CB and number one WR in his class. He was the number one overall player and he’s projected to get drafted top ten overall if he just sticks to one position. 

This isn’t just a guy that was an elite wide receiver that happened to be good at CB in high school because he’s crazy athletic or something, he’s a legit elite corner. He has one of the best two way players of all time coaching him and I’m certain if they needed him to he could be a return man as well. Obviously if they overuse him he’ll wear down eventually, but he’s elite on both sides of the ball. People say Woodson was an elite offensive guy, but Hunter will probably surpass Woodson’s career offensive numbers….in the next few games. I don’t think people are understanding how legitimate Hunter is. Woodson college career was 370 receiving yards, 167 rushing yards and 5 touchdowns. In his college career. Woodson also was a great punt returner but he only had one touchdown there as well. 

I really don’t want anyone to think I’m diminishing Woodson, because I’m not. He deserved the heisman and he showed up big in big games. We’ll see what happens with Hunter. But Hunter will have more yards, touchdowns, and overall offense just this season than Woodson had his entire career. And I get that Woodson was the best defender on a legitimate defense. But I’m saying as a complete 2 way player, getting used as such, Hunter will surpass Woodson. I’m not saying Woodson couldn’t have also had 500 yards receiving every year with ten plus touchdowns, but the fact is that it didn’t happen. With Hunter it looks like it will pretty easily. 

I don’t want this to ramble on, but I want to make clear that I’m not saying anoint Hunter the greatest player ever or give him the heisman already or he’s better than Woodson. I’m not saying any of that. But I will argue that as a complete two way player, he might end up being better than Woodson at that. You can argue about usage or Woodson could have done this or that, but I’m just stating my belief. Maybe being used as a two way guy so much ends up hurting his overall development on one side of the ball and he doesn’t end up elite in the NFL. Who knows, I’m not saying write him down for the hall of fame or anything. But I do believe he’s got the chance to have the best career numbers as a true two way guy. We’ll see. 

People misremember guys playing both ways. Peppers entire career was 321 yards of offense with 5 touchdowns. Hunter will surpass that half-way through this season. I’m not saying Hunter is light years ahead of Peppers in athleticism or energy but Peppers played maybe 100 total snaps of offense at Michigan. Hunter is going to blow that out of the water. I’m not saying he won’t get wore down or tired or injured or overused, but Peppers wasn’t a true two way college guy. He was a gimmicky player on offense that didn’t get enough snaps to really prove his worth there. 

Also Hunter has played this way his entire career, as a true two way player. So he’s more apt to continue at a high level for a while. He also played high school football in a legit league down in Georgia and he was the best of the best down there and rated 1 overall in his class. I think people are going to be surprised at how good he is. Again, maybe he wears down or gets overused. But he’ll most likely surpass Woodson and Peppers entire college production on offense, combined, in just this one season. Plus play more snaps than them while doing it. 

Woodson heisman year, according to Bentley, he had 9 pbus, 8 interceptions, 259 yards of offense, 301 returns yards and 4 total touchdowns. If Hunter has 15 pbus, 6 interceptions and over 800 yards of total offense and let’s say 6-7 touchdowns, I don’t know how you keep it from him. If it’s truly about the best player. 

Now Woodson make his big plays against rivals and in big time games so that obviously accounts for something. He had his heisman moments. But how crazy would it be to have someone put up numbers like that and not get it? Realistically I don’t think he’ll have that good of an overall season and his team will most likely go 6-6 or 7-5 so I agree I doubt he wins it. 

I think the main difference would be that Joe Burrow himself is pretty adamant that he is a Buckeye as well.

His Heisman speech itself was pretty praise-heavy towards Ohio State/Ryan Day, and even during the Heisman-winning season, he credits the ability to pick up Joe Brady’s offense so smoothly to being very similar to the system he was coached to run at Ohio State.

Unlike Keon Coleman who doesn’t seem to want to be associated with Sparty now that he has left.

Sanders said that he told 20 guys they “weren’t it” and cut them. He also said that 37 other guys that he didn’t cut still quit. Don’t know if that changes anything. 

Personally, I think it shitty to cut kids who were there on scholarship. As another poster said, though, this is college football now.

Cue Brian’s proposal that offers are 4-year guaranteed deals.