I really don't get the Maye chatter. Anytime I have watched him play, I find him the least impressive of the top 4 QBs. I think teams are trying to find the next Josh Allen.
If it is about winning the B1G and a National Championship then Warren/Tuttle will not get you there. We need to set our standards higher than 2021 Cade, who was ineffective at the end of the season. Yes they beat OSU, but that was primarily with a no pass offense. Once Cade went against Purdue and then Georgia he was thoroughly exposed. Orji is the most dynamic player on the roster as a passing and running threat. He needs to be the day 1 starter with Tuttle/Warren right behind him. If the staff doesn't think Orji is up to the task then there needs to be a 4 alarm effort to get a starting transfer portal QB ASAP.
Michigan did Orji a disservice last year by having him run only so they could pull out a single pass play against Alabama as a sort of trick play.
Personally, I would start Orji for the opener if he continues to develop over the summer and get Warren or Tuttle some action in the 2nd half, so you have a couple options available if plan A fails.
Milton was the one with the sub 50% completion rate in HS. I was responding to the post about Orji being like Milton and was not clear who I was referencing.
Ok, so let's ignore his rushing totals in game play. Also, Orji was the first option to come in for JJ, Warren never saw the field except mop up duty where he looked inadequate, but hey what does JH know about football.
My personal belief is that JJ was clutch with his arm, but Orji will be clutch with his legs. Warren will be neither. If you want 8-4 Warren is your guy, if you are shooting for something bigger it's Orji.
Orji reminds me more of Jalen Milroe from Alabama. Milton had a big arm, but even in HS had a sub 50% completion rate. Orji seems to have decent arm talent.
If Cade is what you are shooting for with this season, let's pack up right now. No way Cade would be able to manage this schedule. His biggest game was OSU and we ran the ball for the entirety of the 2nd half.
Orji looked pretty good with a pretty limited WR room this spring. Even with the offensive limitations, he still completed over 65% of his passes and ran for what should have been 2 TDs.
I believe this is why Orji is the better option. He adds more than Cade with his legs and the offense does not require him to be a superstar throwing and he looked better throwing the ball than I expected.
I don't know how anyone can come to this conclusion having watched Davis Warren during the regular season in mop up duty. He stood in the pocket because it was touch football for him today. When teams are hitting he has never shown anything in mop up duty to justify this analysis.
Warren looks good every spring and then he gets in for mop up duty against opposing defenses and is less than impressive. The upside of Orji far outweighs Warren and when Orji was leading the offense from the first snap of a series in the spring game they went right down the field 2 of 3 times. He also completed over 65% of his throws, what more are you looking for?
Orji was better than I thought he would be throwing the ball. If he can keep the defense honest with his arm, the skies the limit. He has game breaking ability as a runner.
This could be a rough season, not because the team is bad, but because the schedule is brutal. The young players on offense still need time to grow. It all comes down to mistake free football when the lights come on.
I am not sure if we watched the same game. Denegal did not look good, but Orji was fine throwing the ball. 67% completion and his legs add an extra dimension. They should not have blown the whistle on his last score, that defender had no chance of getting Orji as he may have grazed him with his finger while falling to the turf.
Orji played a couple of series and the offense moved when he was on the field. He wont be as accurate as JJ throwing, but he will run a lot more than JJ, which reminds me of the power spreads that Urban used to run at OSU.
Warren looked good, but so did Orji. I saw all I needed from Orji to be the #1. His legs add an extra dimension and he throws well enough and will get better as the season progresses. Warren looks solid at #2.
2024 will be tough since Michigan turned over the entire roster. I would not get ahead of our skis here.
OSU was out of excuses last year. Until they own it, they will struggle in this game. We are all to familiar with this mentality as Michigan had an excuse for losing every year until the culture changed. I don't know if Day is capable of not blaming someone else for his failures.
I don't know who it is, but if it was Jordan Acker, that would be a really good thing because I would assume he is privy to any investigations that UM has initiated.
This is all about his ego running out of control. He thinks he is a genius and can't fathom that Michigan out toughed his finesse team the last 2 years. If he can't win this time, he will never win and his ego can't take that!
Hope the defensive plan is sound, because Michigan is going to see a lot of Ekbuka and Stover. They will take their shots with Harrison, but those guys are going to eat. Need to get home with lots of pressure and force rushed throws.
You absolutely nailed it! I actually think this is a coin flip game even with Harbaugh coaching, but the scales are definitely being tipped in OSU's direction. OSU is loaded with talent and definitely more 5 star talent than Michigan. He has to convince everyone that it really isn't his fault that they lost.
If the coin flip goes his way this time, then he is the hero of OSU again and all is right with the world.
If the coin flips against him, watch him bolt for Texas A&M.
It's not going to motivate them, it's just another excuse which in the end will lull them into a false sense of security. Whatever, who cares if they can't understand that Michigan beat them 2 years ago by almost exclusively running in the 2nd half. They have amnesia that they couldn't do anything to stop it.
Last year they had the signs and changed theirs up and it still didn't work. They haven't figured out they are being fooled.
If he is interested in going to the NFL, he needs to have a hell of a game against OSU. Needs to display his ability to break tackles between the tackles like last year and get in the end zone.
It's clear to me that Harbaugh is intimately involved in the play calling. They really haven't looked very dynamic in any of the 5 games he wasn't on the sideline.
JJ really needs to get that stuff out of his system. He is really staring down the primary receiver in this game and isn't really pressured. Next week is going to be much harder.
Fisch is a good coach. The offense under him was very good and he has done a nice job at Arizona. I hope that MSU finds a good coach and agree with your sentiment on bringing back a rivalry built on mutual respect for each others program.
No wonder that JH has flirted with the NFL while at Michigan. Why would anyone want to deal with all of this nonsense, when you can live like a king in the NFL without all the hassle.
Whether intentional or not, it looks like the hearing was a way to force the B1G and NCAA to show their cards. Wondering if the B1G or NCAA were slowly dripping this stuff out for maximum effect?
Just because the hearing was tomorrow, does not mean that a decision would have been rendered in time for the Maryland game. You were already going to take a 2 game hit, why not get the concession from the B1G that no additional action will be taken and return the focus to the game.
You were already going to serve 2/3rds of the sentence!
Beat them without Harbaugh and take away all excuses! This puts even more pressure on Day, lose this one and there will be no scenario you can con the OSU fans into believing you should remain as the head coach.
The potential leverage from the NCAA and B1G in this case may have been ok with Michigan getting an injunction and allowing a fast tracked process to play out. This would allow the B1G and NCAA to claim the process has played out and then suspend Jim for the B1G Championship and Playoff.
That coupled with additional evidence may have moved the needle.
Looks like both sides came to their senses and decided that mutually assured destruction was not the best path forward. Both Brands were being damaged and they needed to come to an agreement on how they were going to move forward together.
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I really don't get the Maye chatter. Anytime I have watched him play, I find him the least impressive of the top 4 QBs. I think teams are trying to find the next Josh Allen.
It's also what Tressel understood and that's why the rivalry shifted in their favor when he was hired. He put a wall around the state of Ohio.
If it is about winning the B1G and a National Championship then Warren/Tuttle will not get you there. We need to set our standards higher than 2021 Cade, who was ineffective at the end of the season. Yes they beat OSU, but that was primarily with a no pass offense. Once Cade went against Purdue and then Georgia he was thoroughly exposed. Orji is the most dynamic player on the roster as a passing and running threat. He needs to be the day 1 starter with Tuttle/Warren right behind him. If the staff doesn't think Orji is up to the task then there needs to be a 4 alarm effort to get a starting transfer portal QB ASAP.
Michigan did Orji a disservice last year by having him run only so they could pull out a single pass play against Alabama as a sort of trick play.
Personally, I would start Orji for the opener if he continues to develop over the summer and get Warren or Tuttle some action in the 2nd half, so you have a couple options available if plan A fails.
Milton was the one with the sub 50% completion rate in HS. I was responding to the post about Orji being like Milton and was not clear who I was referencing.
Ok, so let's ignore his rushing totals in game play. Also, Orji was the first option to come in for JJ, Warren never saw the field except mop up duty where he looked inadequate, but hey what does JH know about football.
My personal belief is that JJ was clutch with his arm, but Orji will be clutch with his legs. Warren will be neither. If you want 8-4 Warren is your guy, if you are shooting for something bigger it's Orji.
As the year progresses, Orji is likely to get better. A full season of starting and he will be fully weaponized for next season.
Orji reminds me more of Jalen Milroe from Alabama. Milton had a big arm, but even in HS had a sub 50% completion rate. Orji seems to have decent arm talent.
If Cade is what you are shooting for with this season, let's pack up right now. No way Cade would be able to manage this schedule. His biggest game was OSU and we ran the ball for the entirety of the 2nd half.
That and the RV. I sure am going to miss him on the sideline.
Orji looked pretty good with a pretty limited WR room this spring. Even with the offensive limitations, he still completed over 65% of his passes and ran for what should have been 2 TDs.
He picked up the coach at the end of the game. I don't think the limp was anything more than a cramp.
I believe this is why Orji is the better option. He adds more than Cade with his legs and the offense does not require him to be a superstar throwing and he looked better throwing the ball than I expected.
I don't know how anyone can come to this conclusion having watched Davis Warren during the regular season in mop up duty. He stood in the pocket because it was touch football for him today. When teams are hitting he has never shown anything in mop up duty to justify this analysis.
Warren looks good every spring and then he gets in for mop up duty against opposing defenses and is less than impressive. The upside of Orji far outweighs Warren and when Orji was leading the offense from the first snap of a series in the spring game they went right down the field 2 of 3 times. He also completed over 65% of his throws, what more are you looking for?
Orji was better than I thought he would be throwing the ball. If he can keep the defense honest with his arm, the skies the limit. He has game breaking ability as a runner.
This could be a rough season, not because the team is bad, but because the schedule is brutal. The young players on offense still need time to grow. It all comes down to mistake free football when the lights come on.
I am not sure if we watched the same game. Denegal did not look good, but Orji was fine throwing the ball. 67% completion and his legs add an extra dimension. They should not have blown the whistle on his last score, that defender had no chance of getting Orji as he may have grazed him with his finger while falling to the turf.
Orji played a couple of series and the offense moved when he was on the field. He wont be as accurate as JJ throwing, but he will run a lot more than JJ, which reminds me of the power spreads that Urban used to run at OSU.
Warren looked good, but so did Orji. I saw all I needed from Orji to be the #1. His legs add an extra dimension and he throws well enough and will get better as the season progresses. Warren looks solid at #2.
2024 will be tough since Michigan turned over the entire roster. I would not get ahead of our skis here.
OSU was out of excuses last year. Until they own it, they will struggle in this game. We are all to familiar with this mentality as Michigan had an excuse for losing every year until the culture changed. I don't know if Day is capable of not blaming someone else for his failures.
Especially with a weaker SOS?
Plan on him running the ball tomorrow on select plays. It's a set up!
Maybe there is stuff out there that prevents further punishment because everyone's hands seem to be dirty.
I don't know who it is, but if it was Jordan Acker, that would be a really good thing because I would assume he is privy to any investigations that UM has initiated.
This is all about his ego running out of control. He thinks he is a genius and can't fathom that Michigan out toughed his finesse team the last 2 years. If he can't win this time, he will never win and his ego can't take that!
Hope the defensive plan is sound, because Michigan is going to see a lot of Ekbuka and Stover. They will take their shots with Harrison, but those guys are going to eat. Need to get home with lots of pressure and force rushed throws.
You absolutely nailed it! I actually think this is a coin flip game even with Harbaugh coaching, but the scales are definitely being tipped in OSU's direction. OSU is loaded with talent and definitely more 5 star talent than Michigan. He has to convince everyone that it really isn't his fault that they lost.
If the coin flip goes his way this time, then he is the hero of OSU again and all is right with the world.
If the coin flips against him, watch him bolt for Texas A&M.
That's a nice score there!!!
Picked up some Bookers and Blanton's recently. I also have a line on a bottle of Pappys 12 year. Looking forward to enjoying it for the Holidays!
Actually they are just parroting the media narrative, but I digress.
It's not going to motivate them, it's just another excuse which in the end will lull them into a false sense of security. Whatever, who cares if they can't understand that Michigan beat them 2 years ago by almost exclusively running in the 2nd half. They have amnesia that they couldn't do anything to stop it.
Last year they had the signs and changed theirs up and it still didn't work. They haven't figured out they are being fooled.
JJ has not looked particularly good the last few games. Needs to play confident and have a good game against OSU.
If he is interested in going to the NFL, he needs to have a hell of a game against OSU. Needs to display his ability to break tackles between the tackles like last year and get in the end zone.
If he destroys OSU and they win the NC, then he probably leaves because not much else to prove at that point.
Too many QBs will be drafted ahead of him this year.
Survive and advance!!!
Survive and advance! That is all!
They need to practice arm tackling and stop trying to knock players down with their shoulder.
It's clear to me that Harbaugh is intimately involved in the play calling. They really haven't looked very dynamic in any of the 5 games he wasn't on the sideline.
Nearly threw a pick the play earlier and threw into triple coverage there.
JJ really needs to get that stuff out of his system. He is really staring down the primary receiver in this game and isn't really pressured. Next week is going to be much harder.
Fisch is a good coach. The offense under him was very good and he has done a nice job at Arizona. I hope that MSU finds a good coach and agree with your sentiment on bringing back a rivalry built on mutual respect for each others program.
No wonder that JH has flirted with the NFL while at Michigan. Why would anyone want to deal with all of this nonsense, when you can live like a king in the NFL without all the hassle.
Whether intentional or not, it looks like the hearing was a way to force the B1G and NCAA to show their cards. Wondering if the B1G or NCAA were slowly dripping this stuff out for maximum effect?
Wasn't Stalions hired in 2022?
The sign of a good deal is when both sides are equally unhappy by the outcome!
it would be a bit of leap to take it away, especially when the narrative is not to punish the players!
Just because the hearing was tomorrow, does not mean that a decision would have been rendered in time for the Maryland game. You were already going to take a 2 game hit, why not get the concession from the B1G that no additional action will be taken and return the focus to the game.
You were already going to serve 2/3rds of the sentence!
Beat them without Harbaugh and take away all excuses! This puts even more pressure on Day, lose this one and there will be no scenario you can con the OSU fans into believing you should remain as the head coach.
The potential leverage from the NCAA and B1G in this case may have been ok with Michigan getting an injunction and allowing a fast tracked process to play out. This would allow the B1G and NCAA to claim the process has played out and then suspend Jim for the B1G Championship and Playoff.
That coupled with additional evidence may have moved the needle.
Looks like both sides came to their senses and decided that mutually assured destruction was not the best path forward. Both Brands were being damaged and they needed to come to an agreement on how they were going to move forward together.