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|1 year 40 weeks ago||Down||
I think down to the point of their best Division the SEC West going 2-5 in bowl games suggests they were not the best conference. It also exposed the extent of the media bias because we heard all year that the SEC West was really an NFL Division. It was supposedly that good.
I would argue the B1G or PAC 12 were better.
OSU over SEC West and SEC Overall Champ Alabama.
Indiana over SEC East Champion Missouri on the road.
MSU over Big 12 Champion Baylor
Wisconsin over prior year SEC Champion Auburn.
Looks pretty good for the B1G to me. Not sure what your grading scale is, but I think you are still living with a flawed perspective.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Wrong||
OSU was fortunate to make it into the playoff. If they had not blown the doors off of Wisconsin in the Conference Championship they had no chance. Even doing that, they still needed the Big 12 to decide not to name a clear cut Champion. If the Big12 has a clear champion or championship game, OSU never gets in. I think you have forgotten the outrage that OSU leapfrogged TCU. it was generally accepted that either Baylor or TCU would be the 4th playoff team before the committee made their decision.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||2014||
2014 is a great example of the flawed evaluation of the B1G. It was perceived as a weak conference (5th best) and yet they accomplished the following:
OSU beat SEC West and SEC Overall Champion Alabama and won NC.
MSU beat Big12 Champion Baylor in the bowl
Wisconsin beat prior year SEC Champion Auburn in the bowl game.
Indiana beat SEC East Champion Missouri.
The low rank appears to be driven by the poor perception of the conference, but was clearly not reinforced by the reality. The perception of the B1G as being a poor conference almost cost OSU a chance at the playoff. If they had not blown the doors off of Wisconsin in the Conference Championship and the Big 12 wouldn't have named co-Champions, the evential NC would have been on the outside looking in for the playoff.
Perception does matter! and it almost cost the B1G a National Championship.
|1 year 40 weeks ago||Not so fast||
The SEC has lived off an inflated perception for quite some time. The conference has benefitted for years by lesser teams being overrated. SEC teams do not drop as far in the ratings after a loss to other SEC teams because of this perception. It all became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Let's review last year:
SEC West (Considered an NFL Division by the pundits) - Bowl Record 2-5.
Middle of the pack Big 12 teams have come in and immediately competed for the Conference and Division Titles.
OSU beat Alabama (SEC West Champion in 2014) in the College Football Playoff.
Indiana (poor B1G team) beat Missouri (SEC East Champion) during the season.
MSU beat Big 12 Champion Baylor in Bowl Game
Wisconsin beat Auburn (SEC West Champion in 2013) in their bowl game.
All of the B1G teams that won above were significant underdogs. I think you are overrating the SEC and underrating the B1G. The beauty of the new playoff system is that it will be decided on the field not by system with flawed biases.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||This ^||
You are spot on with this comment. The kid did not want to own his decision with so many around him telling him to go to Michigan. Based on his comments he is clearly being fed a line of BS by Meyer. He will see soon enough! If a 3* intimidated him, then he is in for a rude awakening at OSU with Elliott next season and then the #1 RB in 2016 coming in. The backup to Elliott is likely better than Weber.
Good Luck, but bad decision! Harbaugh needed Weber because of the need. Meyer wants Weber to ensure Michigan doesn't get him. He will have an uphill battle at OSU.
Best of Luck to him!
|2 years 11 weeks ago||Not so fast...||
I have not seen anything yet out of Morris that would suggest he is remotely ready to take over at QB. He has a strong arm, but he locks in on his primary receiver.
I personally don't think Harbaugh cares whether the kid is a true Freshman or not. They are all in the same boat with regard to the offensive system that will be implemented and the coaches will likely select the QB that looks the most capable.
I think too many on this board are doubting Malzone because of his slow rise. He is a very accurate passer and can extend plays with his legs. He keeps his eyes downfield and will not lock in on the primary receiver. If he can master the playbook early he has as good a shot as the others. We are not talking experienced 5th year seniors here, they are all young.
Paraphrasing, I have heard Sam Webb also comment that he thinks Malzone will be competing late for the starter position. The kid is a winner.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Not so fast!||
OSU coaches are fools. Why throw there?
|2 years 16 weeks ago||OSU Unravelling!||
Totally had this game in hand and they are unravelling.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Skill Position Speed!||
What we need most is skill position speed! Cole will help as well as Ty, but we have to get more speed at the skill postions and we are right there.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||B1G||
Well sure looks like the B1G was not as down as everyone thought this year! If OSU wins tonight I could live with it if they lose in the Championship Game.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Latest Schefter Tweet!||
Latest Schefter Tweet:
'Michigan has been telling incoming recruits it plans to have a new HC by middle of this week. Michigan is confident'
(still trying to figure out how to imbed the tweet).
|2 years 17 weeks ago||NFL Guys!||
Well I just saw a tweet from Ian Rappaport stating:
"#Raiders owner Mark Davis told me last night that GM Reggie McKenzie will be involved with him in head coach interviews that start Monday."
If true, it means that they are not contemplating giving Harbaugh full control of anything in Oakland!
I don't think an offer is forthcoming!
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Already a Thread!||
I think this was already a thread a couple of days ago.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Latest Schefter!||
In his latest report on ESPN Countdown, I'm paraphrasing - he mentioned that a lot of sources believe Harbaugh is going to wind up at Michigan. He may wind up at Michigan, but the NFL will have its say.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Cautious Optimism!||
I still have cautious optimism it is happening, but there has been enough chatter about a supposed agreement last time it gives me pause. I can't imagine there is any turning back now.
This has to be the reason a verbal agreement wouldn't be good enough, unless they are not getting the feedback that there is a verbal.
What makes me wonder is who is feeding the NFL guys that Harbaugh will be listening to offers? Hope it is not Harbaugh's people.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Foolish||
I don't like to resort to name calling, but Rappaport is a fool!
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Same Community!||
They are in the same community, which is even worse. If he goes to Oakland and succeeds, it's the same fanbase and press. The criticism would be deafening for either side based on his success or failure.
I don't think it goes down that way. Doubt Oakland wants to give up 1st or 2nd round picks. Doubt JH wants to go to a bad team which doesn't have those high picks.
SF probably wants him to go to Michigan, which reduces the criticism to some extent. Can argue he went back to his Alma Matter to fix it. Mich throws in some cash for the buyout and it would be a wrap.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Was this a live feed?||
Was this a live feed or did someone let this get out? I can't believe that someone that likes him would allow this to go public.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Harbaugh to Oakland? No!||
For Oakland to wind up with Harbaugh they probably have to give him total control and a boat load of money. If he wasn't interested in being perceived as the reason for Hoke losing his job, would he want to be the reason another Michigan man loses his job (Reggie M.). It doesn't add up for me.
Same goes for SF. Why would they want him to go to Oakland and make them look bad? Compensation (1st or 2nd rnd picks)? If that is the case, why would JH want the job for a bad team that is now giving up high picks?
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Incredible Spin Artist!||
Really smart on his part. I think he can spin this situation in his favor no matter how it plays out. If he goes to Michigan, he can say SF wouldn't allow him to go to another NFL team even though he wanted to stay in the NFL.
If he goes to the NFL, he gets to say I told you so!
I don't agree with him making up stories, but it will not end if he winds up at Michigan.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Agreed...||
I think you are on the money. The one exception in my mind is that I don't think there is any scenario where the GM or the owner would allow JH to go to a team in the same community regardless of the compensation. The scrutiny of the decision would be overwhelming, especially if he had some success.
The safe bet for them is an agreement to allow him to go to Michigan. Easy spin and this would also explain why Michigan would want to pay some form of a buyout with SF. The buyout would in effect eliminate any NFL team from getting into a bidding war over his services.
If it was just about the money with Harbaugh then he would string Michigan along beyond this weekend. If that were to happen, I think Michigan would know where they stand and would probably start looking at Plan Bs. At this point it would also likely eliminate JH from consideration for the Michigan job in the future. The criticism of UM by the media for waiting on JH and losing would be deafening.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Anything IS possible!||
Of course anything is possible. Harbaugh could suddenly go on a crime spree making him no longer viable for anyone, but it is not likely.
NFL rules do not allow SF to give permission to talk to Harbaugh during the season.
If Oakland was going to violate NFL rules they would have done so before the final Saturday of the season and we would have heard that Harbaugh was staying in the NFL.
Why would SF fire him and allow him to coach across the Bay? It would set up the owner and GM to be under constant criticism by the same community, fans, and media if he has any success. If you are the GM a decision like that would almost certainly result in you becoming unemployed in the coming years.
Letting him go to college is a no brainer for SF. Very little risk of it biting them in the behind and they can use the narrative that he wanted to go back to college to fix his Alma Matter.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||This ^||
Absolutely correct. He can't resign and then work out something with Oakland. If he resigns he IS going to Michigan. SF would still own his rights for 1 year if he wanted to come back to the NFL.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Not Correct!||
I don't think that is correct. I believe NFL rules do not allow any NFL team from communicating with Harbaugh until the season is over. Then and only then can SF grant persmission. If Michigan has come to some type of financial agreement with SF then Oakland will never get the chance.
I guess we will know soon enough!
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Seem Unlikely!||
This seems unlikely. It's not impossible, but I have a hard time believing Oakland is really in play. Would SF really consider dealing him to Oakland. Does the owner and GM of SF really want to have to deal with constant scrutiny by the fans and press if he is successful there?
I think it is more likely they would reach some type of buyout deal with UM to ensure Oakland never gets a shot at him. If he is at Michigan, the narrative for SF is easily he wanted to go back to Michigan and ressurect the program.
This really feels like a stretch by Rappaport to not totally flip flop on the JH wants to be in the NFL angle. He can win the argument either way now by concocting his own narrative too. SF didn't want JH in Oakland or another NFL team and made the decision to go to Michigan over the NFL his only option. Even though it is absolute bunk!
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Not sure about that...||
I don't get the argument about him not being able to do well here. He has 3, 4 and 5 star players that are in the NFL. That comes from player development as well as recruiting.
If I look at the last three years of recruiting for Michigan and LSU according to 24/7 they seem fairly even:
LSU - 2012: 14th, 2013: 6th, 2014: 2nd
Michigan - 2012: 6th, 2013: 4th, 2014: 20th
So I don't buy the recruiting argument. If Hoke was in the SEC West we would have been lucky to win one or two games this year. Mediocre coaching produces mediocre results.
Miles was a good coach at OkSt and has been exceptional at LSU in the toughest division in all of college football. He has a 3-3 record against Urban Meyer who recruited the same level of talent or better than Miles. That is the same Urban Meyer who hasn't lost a game in the B1G regular season for 3 straight years.
Based on your assessment, we would pass on a Saban as well, because he has an unfair recruiting advantage by being in the south and gets to much talent.
I think you have a different issue with Miles, but you are using false arguments to discount him.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||How About...||
How about 20 years as coach and 10 as AD.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Not Sure About Harbaugh||
I am no longer certain about Harbaugh's intentions. I have been optimistic until today. Too many reports about no interest in Michigan.
Add on top of that Tim Kawakami from the Mercury News posted a photo from earlier today where Harbaugh made a beeline for Mark Davis of the Raiders prior to the game. In and of itself it means nothing, but it is curious. There is also a lot of chatter regarding the possibility of Harbaugh to Oakland. York and Davis were both talking quite a bit earlier today after Harbaugh's interaction with Davis.
Not sure how common it is for a rival Head Coach to stop by and talk with the other teams owner.
Hope it's not true, but really dissapointed if this is how it shakes out.
If he wants to ever coach at Michigan, this is his shot. I don't think he gets another opportunity.
At Michigan he could have been immortalized, if he wins a Super Bowl so what. I doubt anyone builds a statue or names buildings about him. It will be back to obscurity if he ever gets there in the first place.
Blown opportunity! Things will never be this aligned for one candidate again! This was like OSU with Urban.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||No kidding!||
I would take Pelini in a second over either of those candidates.
I am hanging tight with my seat donations until I see what happens with this hire. Too much good will has been burned with me the past few years.
I just don't believe that Hackett is really considering either. That type of decision would not unite anyone, might as well re-hire RR.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Sam.||
This thought did cross my mind, but not so much about Sam's wants. My thinking is more along the lines of gaining access within the Athletic Department by providing a diversion from the real coach. The only thing that scares me is I felt the same way when people were mentioning Hoke as a candidate during the last coaching search. I never really thought he was a viable candidate for a position of this caliber.
Sam is going to lose either way though. If Schiano or Addazio are not the coaches, then we will know he was getting played and he loses credibility. If he was right and they were hired, none of us will be paying attention to him or the program!