Curious about the MgoCommunity's take on some CMU students wearing green for their home game against MSU this weekend.
MSU fans seem generally accepting.
Curious about the MgoCommunity's take on some CMU students wearing green for their home game against MSU this weekend.
MSU fans seem generally accepting.
They probably will never stop that nonsense.
I can't wait for the day that no Sparty material will be on this board. This place looks like RCMB sometimes. They will go away if we ignore them. I promise.
is to have them move to the Woody Division and we only play them every 5 years or so. The word "rival" would never be used again to describe the game. I wish they all would just go away.
that say "Wal Mart Wolverine" or "Walverine" aren't going to care even if State becomes the most popular team in the country with 99% of its fans in the "unaffiliated" category. My guess: nothing changes with those people.
This is now allowed, you need to be an MSU student or alumnus to root for MSU, this is a fact, many MSU fans have told me so. I can't see this story even being possible, let alone true.
Correct. Remember, too, that we're the arrogant ones, despite them having a policy that the only people entitled to cheer for a college football team are those who went to college (and to that particular school).
The back-and-forth with our rivals would be much smarter, wittier, and more fun if we somehow had ended up with schools like Cal or Texas as our big rivals. Stupid geography and Toledo War.
Smarter, not trashy fans? Isn't Notre Dame supposed to fill that role?
Who gives a fuck?
I see this argument all the time. I don't understand how typing four letters means you care. Can he not let you guys know he doesn't care about an issue without actually caring about said issue? Maybe he cares about letting everyone know he doesn't care....but....doesn't care............................wtf am I talking about? I don't give a fuck anymore.
to Central. Trust me when I say that I knew plenty of people there who were rabid Michigan State fans. I guess we can just change it's name from Wal-Mart to Spart-Mart.
That's what I call 'em
I've heard Save-A-Lot Spartans from plenty of Walmart Wolverines
I think this doesn't deserve its own thread. Why are people getting obsessed with MSU? WHO CARES
I found this comment from the article to be a little idiotic: “State will win because they are a Big Ten team and we are a MAC team, so their program is better,” said Traverse City junior Andrew Zelinski. "
Yep, that's exactly what I thought when I went to Central my senior year. Oh wait...
This is just a hunch, but Dan LeFevour and Andrew Aguila may disagree with this student's assertion, if that's the game to which you refer.
And as soon as me and my cousin settled down from running all over the place after that field goal, we watched Michigan-Notre Dame (the first of the 3 last minute wins). Needless to say, we spent a good 6+ hours on edge that day.
Oh, you thought THAT was a little idiotic? Read on, my friend...
"...but I want MSU to win because they are overall better. No one is up to par skill-wise to MSU,” Franco said."
You naive poor little thing. I cannot wait until the day of reckoning comes.
No one... up to par skill-wise... oh my, Anastasha Franco. Just, no.
Threads like this will only continue the "Wal-mart Wolverine" thing. I don't really understand the insult, but whatever.
even find it insulting, to be honest.
The insult started for good reason, really. It originally only referred to the UM fans who weren't students or alumni who would bring up academics when comparing the schools, intended to be reserved specifically for those who likely wouldn't have gotten in to either school. I don't disagree with it, because I've heard kids from Western and Central talk about how Michigan is such a better school than MSU and thought it was a dumb convo for those kids to be having.
That moniker, however, has evolved to refer to all UM fans who aren't students or alumni. This is dumb, because every fanbase, including MSU, has fans who never attended the school.
intended for students who rip on MSU's academics at the expense of Michigan, and who likely wouldn't have gotten in at either school, I wonder how that would apply to me. I went to Central, got in at State, and didn't apply at Michigan at all.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to tell really. I think it would apply to you anyway, just as it would for a UM fan who went to Yale, even. It's hard to say "Michigan is a great school academically and MSU sucks" when you didn't go to Michigan in the first place, even if you could have.
But maybe I'm wrong, and this is clearly gray area. The intent was for people who couldn't go to MSU to rip on their academics, regardless of what school they ended up at.
Telling an MSU fan that M is superior academically is simply stating a fact, and people who speak the truth should never be demeaned for doing so. This statement didn't become "more true" since finishing my undergrad at CMU and attending grad school at M, it just remains fact. BTW, MSU has a boatload of non-affilliated fans, so if this Walverine thing isn't dead from sheer juvenility, it should die because the argument doesn't make any sense.
Although I agree with you, stating a fact is different that ripping on someone for something. It's like me calling you a fatass when I weigh 30 pounds more than you. It might be true that you're a fatass, but it makes me look like an idiot (and an asshole) when I'm more of one than you are. Just like someone who couldn't get in to MSU telling an MSU student that they're dumb because they wish they could have gotten in to Michigan.
As for it dying - it's typically only the stupidest of the Sparty fans who use it, so thinking it will die simply because it doesn't make sense it probably not going to happen.
MSU rejects applicants?
Except they don't. I honestly cant remember meeting any MSU fan who didnt either go there or had a close relative who did. We've got fans who not only never went, they don't know anybody who actually went.
It's reason number 934 they hate us so......
Speak for yourself. I've met plenty of my fair share of MSU fans who don't know anyone who went there.
BUT BUT BUT ALLITERATION
comes here again and again to tell us
that something isn't worth reading or doesn't belong here
without EVER having it occur to them
that they don't have to read it.
Weakest sauce ever.
If MSU is "clean(ing) our asses," I think M has regained its rightful place in the in-state hierarchy.
During the 60's our football program was pretty pathetic compared to its earlier dominance. Once Bo got things going Michigan treated the MSU game as just one more on the way to "the Game". MSU may have viewed us as their rival, but since the Bo era have we really worried much about MSU? Sure they've beaten us 4 straight and can rightfully be proud of that achievement. We have beaten them for far longer streaks, including 6 straight before they started this one.
Would I like to beat MSU? You bet, I want to win every game. Am I worried about MSU's 4 game streak? Nope. Win or lose this year, the process for Michigan regaining dominance is in place and rolling along. I've been following Michigan football since the 60's. That gives me perspective on a 4 game streak that while annoying is small in the history of Michigan football.
stop wasting my precious MgoBoard space!!!!
Yeah, more threads about how badly we got our asses kicked last weekend!
This is exactly why I haven't taken it down yet. Also, I'm still waiting to understand why CMU rooting for MSU is going to end the "Wal-Mart Wolverine" moniker . . .
Also, what if you are a very senior executive at Wal-Mart and root for Michigan without having a Michigan degree? Is "Wal-Mart Wolverine" really a derogatory term in that instance, given the fact that Wal-Mart is from time to time the largest corporation in the world?
(What a dumb but intriguing discussion)
So the logic here is that because Central fans are cheering for another team, State fans must be hypocrits?
Is that another species of the hypo?
Opposite of a hypercrit, I imagine.
It's no secret the second biggest weekend for Sparty fans is the CMU-WMU game...
I went to Western, dont shop at Walmart, and could give 2 shits about academics when talking about FOOTBALL...This argument is fucking stupid.. GO BLUE
I go to Central and this might be the most retarted article i have ever read. Of course there will be a couple of my classmates that wear green but most of us will be sporting the Maroon and gold. This whole wal mart team needs to stop!
I don't understand the implication of Walmart wolverines. Isnt it a good thing that people who aren't even affiliated with the university can still be die hard fans? Seems better than being a school where nobody besides students or alumni care...
Yeah, that's the stupidest part about it. "Haha - your school sucks so much that people from across the nation who have no affiliation to it still love it! LOSERS"
.....it's effective. It doesn't bother most Michigan fans but it does bother some. That's a victory for them, especially if Michigan fans start discussing it amongst themselves (or if they create blog topics about it).
The meme will never die in their circles but see it for what it is..... a juvenile attempt to get under your skin..... ignore it and move it on.
when Sparties call ME a Walmart Wolverine despite the two Michigan degrees I currently hold. It's not so much being offended by the implication, it's the "no hope for the human race" kind of stupid being demonstrated.
It's a compliment. People have a choice who they want to associate with so I laugh when Sparty says that.
Sometimes I secretly think that MSU is paid money by Walmart to promote their company through the use of buzz marketing. I see MSU fans bring up "Walmart" all the freaking time in football conversations at such random times, that I basically have to stop and think "Wait wait wait, wait, what, what the hell does Walmart have to do with any of this?" ...and the sad thing is, most Spartan fans still think it's one of the coolest "insults" of all time.
I'll also this say. MSU is a really good school. But I kind of find it interesting that MSU fans call UM fans arrogant all the time, yet they are the ones that seem to love putting down people that went to other academic instituitions in the state of Michigan (who are UM fans) besides MSU or UM. They seem to not realize that there are many other good colleges/universities in the state besides just UM and MSU. I guess it's just really ignorant to me. Just like at the Forbe's top college each year least to see them ranked right up there with UM and MSU.
I attend CMU and this is just a dumb article from our lack luster newspaper. They will write anything to try and get any attention.
There are some students who will wear green, but the majority of student's will be supporting CMU. The main issue is the past two years CMU won 6 games combined, coming off a year where we went 12-1.
This has led attendance to go down, along with several Thursday night games, when a lot of students have night classes to avoid Friday classes.
It sucks that it is this way, but alot of student's (myself included) are very fairweather towards the football team, because we went from being a team good enough to beat MSU in East Lansing to a team poor enough to struggle with Southeast Missouri State.
I think because our downsing has coincided with MSU's upswing some students have decided to support MSU, but it is not like the article makes it seems. A very high percentage (90-95%) of CMU and Mount Pleasant at large are pulling for the Chippewas.
At central, that campus would rock for those night games in the middle of the week. I remember when Hoke took his unbeaten top 25 Ball State squad into our town. That place was nuts. I'm sure nobody even went to their evening classes. What's it like for mid-week games now?
I really just read this article?
“State will win because they are a Big Ten team and we are a MAC team, so their program is better,” said Traverse City junior Andrew Zelinski.
Andrew....stay in school.
These two schools are made for each other. Stupid minds think alike...
None of this will matter when CMU shocks the world... again. Fire up Chips!
(For the record, I went to UM but spent a lot of time at Central during the Dan LeFevour years. They were a fun team to watch)
I don't see it singlehandedly taking down the "meme" but it's kinda funny. Wonder just how much that attire will run over the stadium now.
I mean I'm sure this has been covered, but hahahahah MSU is playing at Central. Say what you will about our fearless pizza-leader, but can you imagine him ever sinking that low?
Kelly Shorts holds 30,000 and UConn's stadium holds 40,000. Seems like a nice gesture to an in-state school to hop on a bus go to their place. Instead, we're flying our team and bussing our equipment to Connecticut.
Bill Martin scheduled that
In case you're not paying attention to anything, Brandon's doing his best to either get out of that game or play at a "neutral site" (i.e. bigger stadium). So...fail.
This is part of the "Celebrate the State" series MSU is doing with CMU, EMU, and WMU.
MSU is getting 3 visits from each team over the next 12-ish (I believe) years and in exchange, MSU will visit each of their stadiums once. Most major conference teams don't venture outside of their stadiums much for non-conference games unless they're playing another "big" team--and even then, it's usually in some sort of "neutral" site.
Furthermore, usually the visiting team gets part of the gate, but MSU is letting CMU/EMU/WMU keep 100% of the gate for their home games. The CMU AD called this game "the biggest event in Mount Pleasant history," and they actually added capacity to their stadium just for this game.
There are many things you could criticize about MSU, but scheduling a true away game at Central Michigan isn't one of them...
anything about what the MAC schools are netting for the home games instead of State paying them a fee to come for a one-off in EL?
I seem to remember some discussion around here about EMU not being able to afford a home and home with Michigan, since their payout is usually bigger than what they earn for a home game.
Michigan may not have been willing to let EMU keep the entire gate for a home game in Ypsi...
Like I said, the away team usually gets part of the gate, but MSU is letting the MAC schools keep all of it for their home games.
If you're going to go the "Oh, Sparty's so generous!" route, I'm going to lay down the MOTThammer on your ass.
In all likelihood, this arrangement is one of the few ways MSU can keep its steady diet of MACrifices.
What? All I'm saying is if it didn't make financial sense for EMU to schedule a home-and-home with Michigan, but it does make sense for them to schedule a home-and-home with MSU, then that might be the factor that makes it "worth it."
Or maybe they get more from the gate at Michigan than at MSU since your stadium fits 30k more than Spartan Stadium.
Or maybe it's a combination of both things.
I thought it was part of some thing with the directional schools? At least CMU had some kind of relevence. If they go TO Eastern, then... hmm..
They are going to play a home and home with WMU, CMU, and even EMU. So yes they will play at EMU!
“State will win because they are a Big Ten team and we are a MAC team, so their program is better,” said Traverse City junior Andrew Zelinski."
I find the term "Walmart Wolverine" to be classist.
Good first post. Although, its only really douchbaggery if you're a CMU student and wear Sparty gear. I've been to several non-Michigan games and worn Michigan gear just for the heck of it.
I think the main thing we learned from this thread is that you shouldn't go to CMU to study journalism.
if I go back in time to 2005, I'll make sure to stop myself
Seriously, don't get your hopes up. I mean, when has Sparty's behavior been governed by logic? And even when it has (e.g. Dantonio telling his team to shut up on the Twitters over the weekend) do you really think it is going to last?