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By Brian — September 10th, 2012 at 4:46 PM — 49 comments
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Hope for Pahokee, the kickstarter. Martavious Odoms's charity for his hometown has set out to kickstart themselves:

They've got 16 days to get to 35k and are 25k short. Hit it up. 

Also, don't forget the Colt DelVerne fundraiser on the 15th.

Transition costs: steep. Not here, but in Madison, where their new OL coach just got canned two games in. This was no Adam Braithwaite, either:

When UW coach Bret Bielema hired Markuson in the offseason, it was considered to be a coup at the time. Markuson spent the last 14 years coaching offensive lines in the Southeastern Conference at Arkansas and Mississippi. Since 2003, he coached six different players who earned All-America honors.

The Badgers had 35 rushing yards against Oregon State, 70 if you take out sacks.

The new guy is basically Adam Braithwaite. Bart Miller is a quality control coach who graduated from New Mexico in 2007 and hasn't had a full-time assistant job yet. Now he's in deep. Bret Bielema may be less lovable than Brady Hoke.

The numbers from that Oregon State game are shocking: 1.5 yards a carry for Montee Ball, 4.4 yards a pass, and 206 total yards against a team that was 3-9 last year. The 2011 Beavers were in the triple digits in rushing D and pass efficiency D and gave up 35 points to the Badgers. Nobody turns that around that quickly. I'll have to torrent that thing to see what happened.

Boo 3:30 starts. If we'd had the Air Force game at noon we all could have watched Iowa and Wisconsin implode and Notre Dame nearly do the same. Boo 3:30 starts, boo.

Ticket prices: still approaching breaking point. OSU's game against pretty decent UCF was not a sellout:

Tony Gerdeman ‏@GerdOzone

Time for #OSU to stop raising ticket prices? Last week's game was the first under 105,000 since New Mexico St. in 2009.

Bowl ban, yeah, but add it to the pile.

Lloydballin' it? Michigan punted from the Air Force 34 in the first quarter Saturday, causing a couple people to anticipate a twitter rage coming from yours truly. I guess I'm too prone to rages.

I didn't have a problem with it. If you don't think your kicker can hit it, punting is the move, yes even from the 34. I plugged the situation into Advanced NFL Stats's fourth down combobulator and it spake thusly:

Stat Go4it Punt FG Att
Success Rate: 0.10 - 0.52
EP Success +4.33 0.16 2.4
EP Fail: -1.1 - -1.51
EP Total: -0.56 0.16 0.54
Break-Even: 0.30

The field goal is the best option if you've got an NFL kicker. Michigan doesn't.

So then you've got to think you have a 30% shot at converting to make it a 50-50 shot. Yeah, college defenses are more prone to breakdowns, especially Air Force's, but at worst the punt is a close call you can't get exercised about either way.

The clock butchery at the end of the first half did bug me. As a general rule, any time the clock is running after a play and you have >1 timeouts, use it. As soon as they ruled Roundtree in bounds they should have called their first timeout.

For whatever reason, Michigan's had issues with that sort of thing. Last year's Iowa game was the most frustrating example:

friggin-huddle

Is that a freaking huddle as the ref signals the game clock with 31 seconds on the play clock? Yes.

late-snap

NASCAR? MORE LIKE SLOWCAR ZING

That's Michigan snapping it seventeen seconds later. /head asplode

Hopefully they get it together before that burns them again.

Adorable child. From the comments of the game column:

I was on my couch, not in the stadium (get off my back, I'm 2500 miles away). I was wearing my t-shirt. My two year old son was beside me, cheering gamely for "Deenarr WOB-inson!" as the team stood on the sidelines before kickoff. (SoullessHack, Jr. refers to both #16 and the entire team as Denard Robinson... although any non-Denard player is "the guy.") It was nice. Nice. Not the gut-churning excitement I've felt every other year. But it was nice. I guess.

Then Denard made the MLB miss. I counted three steps straight upfield and said, calmly, "They're not going to get him." SoullessHack, Jr., though, jumped up on the couch and started screaming, "DENARR WOBINSON DENARR WOBINSON! RUNNING! RUN RUN RUN!" When they cut to the cheering crowd, SHJr took his cue began to clap and jump up and down.

"HE DID IT! DENARR WOBINSON RUN SO FAST WIFF DA FOOTBAWL!!"

As long as this is not kicking me for three hours it is adorable. (There were children directly in front of and behind me at the Air Force game. Somehow they both kicked me. A lot.)

Etc.: Sticking this way down here because people are going to yell at me for mentioning him, but this shot from SMQ featuring Rich Rodriguez and his kids after the Wildcats upset Oklahoma State reminded me of of all those Rhett and Rich Rodriguez photos from his M days.

It's never too late to link Stuffing the Passer. It's okay to cheer, ND fans! (It's not. Stop it.) Webb on potential 2013 basketball addition Reggie Cameron. Duke may be in some NCAA hot water. I'm so happy SMQ is back. Here's UCLA-Nebraska recapped by Mr. Hinton.

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:00 PM | It was asked (Score:1)
m1jjb00
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OK I asked it on WTKA this morning.  If you're not calling time out, how much time should you expect to run off the clock before starting the play if you're executing well?  It seemed to me that Denard, the rest of the offense, and/or the coaches were particularly slow getting both plays started (post Roundtree and post Gardner catches).  Clearly Brady thought so.  I think you can justify not calling the time out early if you thought you could run the next play quickly, yes?  No--unreasonable to think the offense could keep the time loss to an acceptable level? 

 

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:44 PM | To spike the ball, you'll (Score:2)
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To spike the ball, you'll generally lose 2-3 seconds.  To run an actual play, it's more like 5-8, because you need everyone to get set and then you have your snap count.  I definitely thought we should have called a timeout after we picked up the first down with 22 seconds.  By the time we snapped it, we were down to about 15 seconds.  Given that a pass play to the sideline will generally take about seven seconds, we effectively lost a play by sitting on our timeouts.  

 

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September 11th, 2012 at 12:46 PM | I agree (Score:1)
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With only 22 seconds left and more than one timeout you have to take it. I don't necessarily agree with Brian's general rule that you have to take a timeout if the clock is running and you have > 1. If you can go NASCAR and can take less than 8 seconds to line up and call the play, I rather keep the timeouts to open up the playbook (i.e. be able to run both pass and run plays if you need to).

I would like Borges' offense to get better at going no huddle.

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:02 PM | There are some great prizes/gifts for the Kickstarter (Score:5 Normal)
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Odoms is trying to set up a community garden, and giving a lot of time/energy, especially when it comes to what you get for your donation.

Hit it up and help him out. Don't forget his mountain-goating:

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:02 PM | Since i figure that buying a (Score:1)
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Joined: 11/05/2011
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Since i figure that buying a shirt from Hope for Pahokee puts the money in the non-profit, i declined the reward (and am now kicking myself because i would have most liked the updates) and will just buy the shirt. But yeah, those are some really nice rewards.

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September 10th, 2012 at 8:57 PM | The people asked and Brian answered (Score:1)
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Your the man

I've got nothing.......

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:03 PM | Good for Rodriguez. (Score:5 Normal)
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That man went through a lot of crap here.  It's obvious he is in a much better place for his talent than when he was here. Hoke and Rodriguez are both where they ought to be.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:04 PM | We suffered for three years, (Score:5 Normal)
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We suffered for three years, but I don't wish him any ill will at all.  I hope he runs wild in the Pac12.

M'Dog

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September 10th, 2012 at 10:40 PM | I personally don't single (Score:5 Insightful)
Alexandre DeLarge
Joined: 08/28/2012
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I personally don't single Rodriguez out because I don't look at it like we suffered for three years. In my book, we suffered for 10.

From the winter of 2001 when Jim Tressel replaced John Cooper and Drew Henson bolted to the Yankees up until last year, Michigan football wasn't able to sustain any good vibes. The constant losses to OSU or in bowl games made the offseasons pretty damn miserable.

The RR era pretty much represented a manifest destiny of futility and agnst that was slowly building up in the seven years that preceded his arrival until our fortunate rebirth last season (the first since 1999 with two losses or less and wins against both the Buckeyes and our bowl opponent).

 

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September 11th, 2012 at 12:22 AM | I thought he was a good hire! (Score:1)
Mike420GoBlue
Joined: 09/02/2012
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Silly me, I was blinded by the offense, overlooked the lack of defense. Hope he does well in 'zona, it would make for an interesting Rose Bowl some year soon...

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:10 AM | Well put. I try to explain (Score:4 Normal)
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Well put. I try to explain this concept to my fellow Michigan fan friends and it is like their head is about to explode. Mostly, I think he's just a likeable guy. And by saying I am rooting for him to do well, they think I want him back, or I am somehow slighting Coach Hoke. I don't know why he gets treated like an ex-girlfriend who slept with your best friend and stole all of your records.

"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:07 PM | Punt from the 34 (Score:3 Insightful)
The Wagon
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Isn't that decision partially made on 3rd down? I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I think it was roughly 3rd and 17 or so. At that point, Hoke has to decide whether or not he plans to punt on 4th down. If the decision is made NOT to punt, you treat that play like a 2nd and 16 and don't necessarily have to move the chains on that play. Things are a little more complicated in that region of the field with the option of a FG, but it always drives me nuts when teams throw an incompletion going for a first down on 3rd and long and then are stuck in the same situation on 4th down when they could've gained half the necessary yardage on each of the 2 plays.

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:39 PM | Ding ding ding (Score:1)
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I totally agree. IIRC the 3d down play was a long incomplete pass. Maybe Denard or the OC saw something they liked on that one... me, the armchair OC who always makes the right call, thinks that's a QB draw - maybe, this being Denard, you get a TD, more likely you get 8-12 yards, but that run sets you up either for the FG attempt or for a makable 4th down conversion.

 

So the bad call was not the punt, it was the third down call. Again, maybe Borges or Denard saw something they liked in Air Force's D on that one, but otherwise I just disagree with the decision.

 

There were worse playcalling decisions: the clock mismanagement before the half, Denard from under center at our goalline on first down, some other things I've blotted out, but this one bugged me at the time.

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:07 PM | I thought the 4th down call was correct too (Score:3 Normal)
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Wasn't it either 4th and 16 or 4th and 19? What percentage of people convert that? This isn't 4th and less than 5. You've gotta figure we probably give the ball to Air Force somewhere between the LOS and the chains versus punting it for 20ish yards.

Awkward situation for sure but I think it was the correct call to punt

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:23 PM | Absolutely the right call (Score:3 Normal)
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Granted, in that situation, you have 3 lousy options to choose from, but punting makes the most sense if your kicker doesn't have the leg.  Gain back the marginal amount of field position and play on.

 

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:19 PM | Sticking this way down here (Score:3 Normal)
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Sticking this way down here because people are going to yell at me for mentioning him, but this shot from SMQ featuring Rich Rodriguez and his kids after the Wildcats upset Oklahoma State reminded me of of all those Rhett and Rich Rodriguez photos from his M days.

I AM ANGARRR

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September 10th, 2012 at 5:35 PM | With regards to the punting, (Score:3 Normal)
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With regards to the punting, it also helps to note that: A - It was like 4th and a bunch, not 4th and 4, and B: There was still plenty of game left to be played, i.e. getting a first down wouldn't have sealed the win for us

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September 10th, 2012 at 6:00 PM | Solution to end of half time/game time issues: (Score:-1 Flamebait)
MGlobules
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Have a grad assistant study the clock and nothing else. Have Hoke school him in his basic conceptions of time management, then have him spit out the options when they're in such  situations. Blow minds rather than heads. 

P.S. Is it permissible to talk about how attractive RR's daughter is now?

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September 10th, 2012 at 8:38 PM | um, how old are you? (Score:4 Normal)
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isn't she in high school? because she's 15?

RIP my avatar, June 14, 1998 - October 26, 2012.

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September 10th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | After all that complaining about tough-it-up lizard brain posts (Score:1 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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That PS....dude! (The sentence before it doesn't help either)

FWIW, Rich said at his hiring press conference not to Facebook his daughter because she was 15 ten months ago. He was talking about players, but it was a broad brush, I'm sure.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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September 10th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | I'm concerned about the (Score:2)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
MGoPoints: 4701

I'm concerned about the H.O.P.E. kickstarter.  The $35K figure is looking like it will be tough to reach.    Is there a way to contact the Victors Club people and let them know about it?  

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:20 AM | I think he will get there if (Score:2)
MGoCombs
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I think he will get there if we can spread the word thoroughly. Largest alumni base in the world FERGODSAKES.

"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

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September 10th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | geez (Score:2)
oriental andrew
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if only Rich's mustache were for Michigan, maybe things would have been different.  Sigh...

For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
 

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September 10th, 2012 at 6:49 PM | they both kicked me. A lot. (Score:1)
TXmaizeNblue
Joined: 09/22/2010
MGoPoints: 930

"There were children directly in front of and behind me at the Air Force game. Somehow they both kicked me. A lot."

Sparty kids...yep, had to be. 

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September 10th, 2012 at 6:59 PM | #Eating (Score:3 Normal)
TyrannousLex
Joined: 11/05/2011
MGoPoints: 274

I just pledged, and Tae is a long way from a noble goal. I'll pledge again, but a few hundred is where i'll max out.

As a once professional gardener who still works hard in his own yard and spends Sundays at his friend's farm to help slaughter chickens, pigs, and turkeys, i dig where Odoms is going with this and know what kind of difference he'll make if he succeeds.

 

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:32 PM | A story on this might be a (Score:3 Normal)
maracle
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A story on this might be a nice piece for annarbor.com too...

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September 10th, 2012 at 8:08 PM | I think that she's 16 (Score:4 Normal)
bouje13
Joined: 11/27/2010
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Just saying.  

He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best.  Is that what Michigan is all about?  You do the best, you get the job.  This MM meme is crap.

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September 10th, 2012 at 9:48 PM | I think (Score:4 Normal)
DY
Joined: 07/01/2008
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It was in one of the Rich Rod takes over at Arizona articles from the off-season in which he told his players in their first team meeting not to friend his daughter on Facebook because she's 15.

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:23 PM | Arizona fans should have been (Score:-1 Flamebait)
TWSWBC
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Arizona fans should have been posting pics of RR's daughter after their W against Ok St. She can be their Kate Upton

If I tell you it's Easter, you better start looking for eggs.

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade.

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September 10th, 2012 at 11:00 PM | Odds are... (Score:4 Normal)
Keith
Joined: 03/10/2010
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that she is half your age.  Keep your TWSWBC in your pants.

I compulsively downvote any usage of "lol".

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:48 AM | Unless you're in high school yourself (Score:2 Normal)
MH20
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STFU.

And even then, STFU.

"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."

- Jack Handey

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:30 PM | FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS (Score:3 Normal)
El Jeffe
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, WOULD YOU LET TAE ODOMS RUN A COMMUNITY GARDEN IN PAHOKEE????!!!!

 

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September 10th, 2012 at 7:34 PM | 3:30 games (Score:1)
gobluekurt
Joined: 08/31/2011
MGoPoints: 3

Agree on the 3:30 starts they are horrible (1330 my time). Here in the MST I love waking up heading to the gym getting home to watch the game at 1000 am, then deciding wether to be productive or watch a another B1G team embarrass themselves before the night games.

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September 10th, 2012 at 9:08 PM | As a student on North (Score:3 Normal)
DealerCamel
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I live on North Campus, and the Bursley dining hall doesn't open until 10:30 on Saturdays, so if the game's at noon then you and a couple thousand other people living on North are trying to get to Central in the same hour timeframe, so I'm biased in favor of 3:30 games.

I am aware that residents of North Campus are soulless and therefore their opinions are irrelevant, however.

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September 10th, 2012 at 9:32 PM | Not Soulless (Score:1)
VAGoBlue
Joined: 01/02/2011
MGoPoints: 494

But is dorm food breakfast more important than football! I think not!!

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September 10th, 2012 at 9:52 PM | Really, who eats breakfast before a game? (Score:1 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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And no, "vodka" isn't breakfast.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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September 11th, 2012 at 6:48 AM | Have a pop tart in your room (Score:1 Normal)
Butterfield
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Have a pop tart in your room and get on your way. Fuck, is that so hard?

The swag is back. 

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September 10th, 2012 at 10:10 PM | My 5yo daughter consistently advises Denard: "Don't fall down!" (Score:5 Normal)
Evil Empire
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It's going to be quite the shock to her system when he isn't the Michigan quarterback.  He's the only one she's known.

Saddest story ever: I was out of the room during the MSU game last year and she shouted to me "Daddy, Denard just threw a touchdown!"  Too bad it was to the wrong team.  :-(

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September 10th, 2012 at 11:45 PM | Two things (Score:3 Normal)
SoullessHack
Joined: 10/13/2010
MGoPoints: 152

1) Blockquoted in MGoBlog = the highlight of my career. I'm not joking.

2) SoullessHack Jr is definitely a kicker. But probably not for three hours. Probably.

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:51 PM | Your story was awesome. Like (Score:1)
Clarence Beeks
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Your story was awesome. Like made my night awesome. Thanks for sharing!

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September 11th, 2012 at 1:06 AM | I posted this in another (Score:2)
loosekanen
Joined: 10/03/2009
MGoPoints: 547

I posted this in another forum where I frequent but I stole the idea and it's a good one. You pledge amounts for everything you see happen during the season and donate based on the final totals. Stuff that you'll understand:

.01 for every Denard Robinson yard from scrimmage
.50 for every interception thrown by Sanchize, Big Rape, Romo, Cutlahhh, and all Arizona QBs
$1 every time Andy Reid loses a timeout for an incorrect challenge
$1 for every Andrew Luck TD
$1 for everybody I finish ahead of in the 2p2 yahoo survivor pool
$5 for every Michigan football conference victory less OSU
$25 if Michigan beats OSU
$n/2,000,000: domestic box office opening weekend for "The Hobbit"

all proceeds donated to Tay's kickstarter with a placeholder that I'll hopefully get to donate a cool experience of laser tag/go karting to a kid that volunteers his time and works hard on the project.

I don't make a lot of money, but this is something I feel is valuable and this is a fun way to sweat the amount. I sincerely hope this gets off the ground. If we can rule the EDSBS pledge drive every year we can definitely do some of the legwork to help one of Michigan's own in a good cause. Cheers, friends.

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September 11th, 2012 at 6:44 AM | There isn't time to wait for (Score:1)
Butterfield
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There isn't time to wait for all of these things to play out, the kick starter ends in less than 2 weeks.

The swag is back. 

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September 11th, 2012 at 7:53 AM | * 3 weeks (Score:1)
Butterfield
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* 3 weeks

The swag is back. 

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September 11th, 2012 at 5:59 PM | that's why i dropped a (Score:2)
loosekanen
Joined: 10/03/2009
MGoPoints: 547

that's why i dropped a placeholder. i didn't say how much because i don't feel like people should have to do that, but i did a rough estimate of where i thought my total would be and dropped 50% of it now to help get it off the ground.

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September 11th, 2012 at 4:43 AM | What does Brian mean when he says (Score:0 Offtopic)
San Diego Mick
Joined: 05/11/2011
MGoPoints: 1556

"Bret Bielema is less loved than Brady Hoke"

Sounds like a snide remark regarding Hoke, I don't get it

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:11 AM | The way I took it (Score:3 Normal)
TheBigAC
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Hoke = Super well loved, even rivals really have nothing to hate him for

Bielema = Universally hated by everyone ever

Those who stay will be champions

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September 11th, 2012 at 1:46 PM | If that is the case (Score:1)
San Diego Mick
Joined: 05/11/2011
MGoPoints: 1556

Than I can accept that, duly noted, thanks for your take BigAC, AC is one of my all time favorite M Players, love that dude!

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September 11th, 2012 at 10:39 AM | I will break the first rule (Score:3 Normal)
imafreak1
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Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 1366

I will break the first rule of RICHROD, which is DON'T TALK ABOUT RICHROD, to note that Arizona went for a 4th and 16 from the OSU 35 on Saturday night. They did not get it.

Give it to Wheatley!

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