...to enjoy the fact that Michigan sucks at football. It's kind of funny when you think about it.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Da'Shawn Hand chose Alabama over Michigan and Florida in an excruciatingly long televised announcement on NBCSN, citing the opportunity to major in civil enginering and the chance to win a national championship.
I've got nothing else. This month can't end soon enough. Please be civil in the comments, especially since it's pretty darn difficult to blame Hand given, you know, the state of things.
...to enjoy the fact that Michigan sucks at football. It's kind of funny when you think about it.
I don't enjoy that they suck, but I've certainly become apathetic to it. Lose games, lose to our rivals, lose recruits...whatever. Maybe its good to have our expectations finally meet the reality of the situation.
On to basketball season I guess.
no, it isn't, not even slightly.
What it sounds like you're enjoying is lying to yourself.
That said, I expected this. They're taking care of business and we aren't.
You are the definition of a troll.
troll verb : to fish with a hook and line that you pull through the water
until you realize it's real life and this is really happening.
Can't blame him. Their program is winning NCs and developing players for the NFL.
In addition, if the reports that he was told he couldn't major in engineering and play football at UM are true (or even if it was just heavily hinted at to him) then it's even more of a no-brainer.
Where did those reports even come from? It seems like they just appeared out of thin air after he changed back from sports management to maybe engineering again. I don't necessarily believe them but if true, that is the biggest problem I've had with the staff thus far. Encouraging Hand not to do engineering and telling Adoree Jackson he couldn't run track freshman year are unnecessarily rigid. If Hoke were more flexible he could've had a much better chance at two high character consensus 5 stars.
I think the reports were simply citing the fact that its VERY difficult to play football at a major level AND major in engineering. So if the likelihood of your major being a significant factor is decreased, then things like sending players to the pros and winning championships should win out as a tiebreaker.
To which a not insignificant portion of the Stanford Football team replied, "F#ck that." "Leaders and Best," my ass.
I should say I have no idea if those reports are true, just that I've seen it repeated often enough that I thought it worth mentioning. Hand may have made his decision purely on a football basis for all we know.
I'm not sure anyone would have told him he can't major in engineering. It's just that engineering and football are both demanding and engineering is on the north campus, some distance away from where he would need to practice. Maybe it was more like telling him that it realistically wasn't feasible.
that Hand appreciated so much from the engineering dept. Maybe he told him the realistic chances of an engineering degree and playing football were slim to none.
Don't give that guy a raise just yet!
Hoke being "flexible" isn't the same as not being realistic. Let's see if Hand actually majors in engineering at Alabama, or if he starts out, realizes the balancing act is incredibly difficult, and picks a different major. Lots of regular, non-athlete kids start off trrying to be engineers and move on when they realize it isn't a good fit or the work is too difficult. I'm not saying the academics had anything to do with his decision, but the idea that a coach telling a kid he will struggle to succeed both on the field and in a highly competitive major seems truthful, if a bit hard for a kid to hear.
Would it be hard? Yes. The math and science pre-reqs are no joke, even if you're smart. But it's apparently possible, because several Michigan football players have majored in engineering. Garrett Rivas and Joey Burzynski (a biomed student, fergodsakes) are two recent examples. Yeah, a kicker and a former walkon, but there certainly does not seem to be a hard and fast "no engineers on the football team" rule.
how does Hand expect to acheive a major in civil engineering while playing football at Alabama? I would get it if it was a post-football thing but now?
It can be done. I recall Stefan Humphries majored in Engineering at UM, then played in the super bowl and after the NFL went to med school and now is head admin at a hospital in Spokane. That was a few years ago, I know, but why not let the dude try?
I really don't think he is going to major in engineering. It got him interested in Alabama and that is all they care about but I really don't believe that he will be majoring in civil engineering in two years.
Yeah, a lot of kids (both athletes and non-athletes) say or think they are interested in engineering and then end up never doing it. Anytime I hear an athlete claim interest in engineering or pre-med I take a wait and see approach before heaping praise on them for their "focus on academics."
Bama's degree requirments for Civil Engineering involve demonstrating that you can dig a hole and hammer a nail. I sure he will have plenty of time left over for football.
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Best thread ever!
Not at all. You need to disassemble the old outhouse before you can build a new one.
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Hails of derisive laughter, Bruce!
I think it's "howls" with the Ozzie accent, but + a million for the pull.
You took the time to make an account on a UM website. Who looks the fool now?
Flat out, Michigan academics dwarf Alabama academics. Sorry, but it's true. Which is probably what annoys most of us about this decision - it's obvious that if he sincerely cared that much about academics, Michigan was the obvious choice. But with Bama running the NFL scout team, he won't major in engineering.
I support this young man in his aspirations. It was disappointing, but I support him.
And frankly, we did get Jabrill Peppers, and he's extraordinarily talented as well.
I'd make an Alabama Engineering joke but I just found out they had one.
Lost another one to Ditech!
The engineering thing is a crock. He chose Alabama because they are relevant and Michigan is not.
Exactly. He has a decent chance at a national title, instead of playing in some weedwhacker named bowl game. We crapped the bed this year, and made the choice for him.
We have all been fooled yet again by a top recruit's quotes about academics being important. They ALL say it, but it boils down to winning. I'm just glad Peppers is still on board. I fully expect McDowell to commit elsewhere.
this is precisely how i feel about michigan football right now
Aside from the 70's and 80's (if that), this school was never truly elite in the past half century
The 1997 NC team was not elite?
winning an NC in '97 and Rose Bowl trips in the 2000's isn't elite??? Are you smokin Walter White's meth????
How old was Hand in 1997, 2, so we haven't been relevant since he was 2, that would be a reason right there. The headline gif has it right, we have fallen on our faces.
That team steamrolled almost everyone too.
Well, and 1997. And 2006. And the early part of the 2000's when the team was a veritable NFL factory.
Alabama has been less of an elite team over the past 20 years than UM; they are just doing well now. UM's overall strength as a national team is there, but it is more cyclical now than it used to be.
Bama at their peak in the past 20 years is better than us at our peak in the past 20 years.
This I'll agree with, but also you have to concede that multiple-sanctioned Alabama's bottom is worse than UM's one 3-9 season.
"Alabama has been less of an elite team over the past 20 years than UM;"
That is just wrong. What is elite to you? To me it is 2 losses or less in a year. The "NFL factory" teams you mention often lost 3 or 4 games a year. That is not elite. Not close to elite. Esp considering the talent coming in. Even the 97 team (which was elite) was surrounded by 3 or 4 loss seasons.
Bama has had a much better 20 year period, how you can say that is beyond the pale. Any team with 3 NCs in 20 years did better than UM.
I did an analysis of elite "blue blood" programs the past 20 years and the only team less elite than UM is Notre Dame. Michigan has become a dinosaur. It has a flash in 2006 but other than that has not done much in 15 years.
If you go just outside of this 20 year window, you know what you find? Another national title for Alabama (1992). Us? Go back to the late 40s. Bo came close many years, but even he had his fair share of tough 3-4 loss seasons. We've been a consistent program, not elite. Elite for Michigan was probably the 70s and the period from the late 80s to early 90s (1988-92).
But my argument remains that teams are "elite" for stretches, and sometimes that can be a couple of years (like with Saban at Alabama) or even a couple of years. OSU was downright elite under Tressell, remarkably solid under Cooper, and look to be the same under Meyer. Yet do people consistently view them as elite? I'm guessing not, save for the recent run, because they lost in bowl games and their own title win is considered a bit of a fluke.
UM isn't the most elite team in the world, but I was specifically refuting the idea that Alabama is some amazing program that has always been a dominant national player. Saban has made them elite since he got there; that probably won't continue once he leaves, if you look at historical precedent. That said, kids today are totally going to see them in a different light than me.
Just leave the shared MNC out of it. As we all know, Tom Osborne got a retirement gift in 1997. Lloyd Carr and the Michigan defense won that title on the field.
I think the conference also let us down big time. I remember coming back on a bus from the Rose Bowl (Thanks Evans Scholars!!) and watching Nebraska destroy a banged up Tenn squad. I had a bad feeling that combo was going to screw us.
The "Saban Era" post 06 has been phenomenal at Alabama...but the Mike DuBose, Dennis Franchione, Mike "it's Rollin" Price and David Shula era was a horror show of epic proportions combined with a roller coaster ride.
The sort of revisionist analysis you're forwarding that somehow the past 20 years were so awesome at Alabama is ridiculous. Saban era is historically almost unmatched but the rest of their results very, very mixed.
Michigan has actually been the more consistent program over that time but the lows and highs (particularly recently) far more epic at Alabama.
You could look it up, but why let facts get in the way.