Hoke deserves a graceful exit

Just like I thought about Borges- I know he's a good guy, I don't doubt his effort, but he's really quite arrogant about certain things and that is why we are in this position now.

What is this obsession with John Harbaugh? As if he's ever consider this job.

guy ever...and he is completely loyal to Michigan.  But, this is a results-oriented business (it is a business, not some amateur sport that the NCAA still tries to put off on people), and you need to be successful, especially at certain schools, to continue to be in the business.  

The thing that is so upsetting to me is the seemingly endless excuses or passing of blame.  From the "We are young" argument...(I am watching a young QB winning in Tallahassee right now, and I saw a young QB take Notre Dame to the national title game two years ago, among many examples) to the injuries to whatever else, there always seems to be a reason for not winning.  

I feel like Hoke is similar to Luke Fickell when he took over Ohio State a few years ago...good in one area, but in over his head as a head coach at a school like that.  Hoke might make a great coordinator at Michigan, or a head coach somewhere smaller, but he seems incapable of making in-game adjustments, of getting players to make the jump, and of doing more than mostly cheering.  

 

Like many people's sentiments, Hoke should go. Nice guy. I definitely feel bad for him. In the end, if you are not good at your job, you need to go. I wish we can keep him in some capacity at U of M, as he does love this place. Less stressful, but away from coaching. I dunno. I didn't care about RR when he left, but Hoke is definitely a guy you can side with. At least for most part. Just not as a coach. I agree with a poster above. I don't get this end of the year thing. We might as well get the new system in and practice for next year. May be the new coach can keep the game competitive at OSU this year. Fire him on Monday and pay him his dues.

I like Hoke, but if you're not good at your job, and you're not getting results, you need to be fired.

Nothing personal against Hoke. Again, sure he's a great guy, but loving Michigan with all his heart wasn't the only requirement on the job description. There's also the matter of winning football games, beating rivals, and winning titles, the last two of which he's failed miserably at.

honestly no. if this was a normal job and you performed well initially but they had some successful projects but more unsuccessful and you were hurting the brand or reputation of your company, you would be gone and he deserves it. I hated the hire initially he made me change how well we played the first year but it's been down hill since our highlight of the last two seasons was a missed two point conversion to beat osu.

Hoke deserves to be fired tonight. He's a loser.

I'm really not that certain that Hoke getting canned is a foregone conclusion.  Last year was atrocious and the AD pretended like every thing was fine, requested no changes, gave them the green light to run the whole thing back with no changes at all.  It was only when Nuss came available when Kiffin went to Bama, but that's the only reason Borges was let go.

The B1G is bad, MICH could easily go 8-4 or 7-5, eking out wins over crap teams, and not only could I see Brandon retaining Hoke, but I think it would be more probable than not.  Hoke is Brandon's guy, it would be Brandon admitting failure, and I don't think that's his strong suit, to put it mildly.

 

Let's not get confused: Dave Brandon deserves the personal insults, not Hoke.

Dave Brandon has taken a brand, a machine, a great franchise, and made it into a joke with HIS hire.  This used to be MICHIGAN football.  It used to mean something.  Used to be something.  Yes, we went 9-3 or 10-2 or whatever... but we didn't lose to ND 31-0 or to middling Utah 26-10.  This is pathetic.  Point blank pathetic. 

We used to dominate State.  We used to break their hearts.  Even if the game was close, we knew WE had the upper hand.  We had Braylon EDWARDS.  We had great teams.  Yes, we experienced the HORROR but we balled afterward.  We beat Urban Meyer and Florida and Timmy Tebow that same year.  We had talent and that talent actually got better as the year progressed.

What we are now is embarrassing and I want no part of it.  I will always love Michigan but I will not support Dave Brandon in any monetary way.  That means TV as well.  I will not watch this crap.  I will not partake in his schemes.  I was planning to come up for the UMD-Mich game, but probably not anymore. 

What a joke.

Duplicate...  Sorry.

Do we trust Dave Brandon with another football hire? Notre Dame got rid of their AD and coach and brought in complete outsiders, and ended up in the national championship game in 3 years. We can do the same if we bring good decision makers.

I think things should be handled as professionally as possible, but this Michigan Man shit is what is putting the program behind more than it should be.  We have a coach who literally refuses to adapt strategically and it is having a direct impact in his team losing games, even when they have superior talent.  The team has gotten worse every year we've gotten further from Rodriguez, and instead of transitioning to modern football, we're now further behind than we were when Rodriguez took over.  I really don't know how this gets fixed.

an honor line of fans.

 

3 claps and pat on the butt.

Sorry guys. Hoke is here the rest of the year and -- unless he resigns -- he will be here next year too.

But this man is making millions of dollars ( and will get more millions to go away), He is the 8th highest paid coach in college football. I'm happy he loves Michigan, but I can guarantee you he doesn't love it enough to give that money back. The man was given a massive amount of money despite having no real record of accomplishment (his best season was finishing second in the MAC). He got a shot he probably didn't deserve and failed. I don't feel too bad.

Michigan fans and the Michigan press repeatedly shot down Rich Rodriguez and staff. I think Bo was great but we need to live in today's world. At the end of 2010 we were tired of the NCAA investigation, we scapegoated Rich Rodriguez just in the same way people are scapegoating Brady Hoke now. The only problem is people's expectation and confidence in Hoke seemed to primarily based in the belief that he was a Michigan Man and we expected him to rebuild the defense quickly. The offense was an afterthought. Nussmeier is only four games into trying to install a new system with a young OL and QB's, who don''t inspire confidence. If we toss Hoke and the rest of the staff, do we risk jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

Im not sure Hoke is such a "good person".  He may be a decent person, but his actions in the Gibbons case, his near-inaction in the case with the WR York sucker punching the defenseless kid (only kicking him off after the public outcry for the video),his constant disrespect towards the media (even RR was cordial when asked tough questions)....

...to tossing Borges under the bus for another OC who is worse and then not speaking to Borges about it personally (a documented fact) and today his telling Mattison to get the Fuck off of the field shows that guy can be just as idiotic and classless as anyone else.

The only thing Hoke "deserves" is a quick bus ticket out of town.

Exit Brady Hoke, enter Kliff Kingsbury.

The part about coming to us in our hour of need and taking the job without taking about the money is a pretty generous way to describe it. Sorry, the guy did not bring us puppies and hugs after grandma died or even help us move a couch. He took a job that was a vastly superior position in his profession to the one he held previously. His new job paid millions of dollars more per year than his old one. I don't doubt that it is his dream job or that he is a decent enough person but his choice to take the choice was hardly some charitable or magnanimous act. It was a no-brainer career decision. He was the head coach at fricking San Diego State. I mean, come on. 

As far as the money, he was always gonna get paid a shit ton of money at Michigan and a hell of a lot more than he made at San Diego State. He is making $4.1 million this year. I mean, even if we assume that "aw shucks I didn't agree to the salary before taking the job" story is true, everyone involved knew at the least that he was gonna make a lot more bank than the $700k/year that San Diego State was paying him. So yeah, maybe he took the job without knowing whether he was gonna make 4 times what he made before or 5 time or 6 times. But everyone knew it was a raise that was gonna mean at least an extra million per year.

I don't really think it sucks all that much for him. He got to have his dream job for four years. He had tons of resources at his disposal to have an opportunity to succeed. He got paid, enough to never work again if he chooses. He'll be fired and that's that but overall getting his shot and $$$ is really not such a bad outcome. I am vastly more sympathetic to the players who have to go through more turmoil and to the current students who are increasly disconnected from the football program due to the emphasis on $ over loyalty and the lack of on-field success.

Whatever. Hopefully they get the next hire right and that it doesnt drag out like The Process.

This season is falling apart on Coach Hoke. I can't wait til his ass is fired. I hope they shit can Brandon as well since he hired a subpar coach. Please back up the brinks truck for the best coach out there!

This "Michigan Man" thing drives me nuts because it's somehow become the very opposite of what it meant originally.  Heck, Bo went to Miami of Ohio and started his coaching career for Woody Hayes at Ohio State, and he's pretty much the epitome of the Michigan man in the modern era.  As nearly as I can tell, the origin of the "Michigan man" thing goes back to his quote about promoting Steve Fisher -- "I don't want someone from Arizona State coaching the Michigan team.  A Michigan Man is going to coach Michigan."

Now, Steve Fisher did not attend Michigan -- he went to Illinois State, although he'd been an assistant on Freider's staff for years.  However, at the time, he was a "Michigan Man," not because of his background, but because Bo was not about to let Bill Frieder -- a guy who had tendered his resgination and accepted a new position at ASU -- coach Michigan during the NCAA tournament.  He wanted a guy who was committed to Michigan.

I never thought Rich Rodriguez would be a Michigan man, not because he was from West Virginia -- so was Fielding Yost! -- but because, in his previous positions, I always felt like he had one foot out the door, looking for his next job.  By his third year, when it was clear that he wasn't going to be able to use the Michigan job to springboard into the NFL, I think he was bought in, but by then it was too late.

Hoke was a Michigan man from day one, but he does not appear to be an effective football coach.  I believe he should be allowed to coach out his contract, because I don't believe that Michigan should fire a coach for results on the field.  I wouldn't give him an extension unless he shows a willingness to adapt to the changing times -- for example, by acknowledging that tempo management is important and that he needs to improve at it.  But, if he is let go, I hope that Dave Brandon -- or, better yet, his successor -- will understand a "Michigan man" to be someone who will be 100% committed to Michigan, and not necessarily someone with prior experience at Michigan.  The latter formulation excludes any number of qualified candidates for no good reason whatsoever.

PS:  John Beilein?  No prior Michigan ties, but 100% a Michigan man.