Zac Smith Twitter rant
August 29th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^
He will always have a place in cbus..... they will forever consider him a martyr for the program.
my guess is working at maxton auto group or some other booster owned company making enough to stay drunk and loyal.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
You're absolutely correct. I keep forgetting he's Ohio royalty.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
Let Zach Smith Dot The "I" This Week vs. The Beavers...
Can the OSU Band do a Black "i"?
August 29th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
Starting to think this guy kinda sucks at decision making.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
me watching the twitter rants like
August 29th, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
I believe he's was a horrible husband. I also believe he deserved to be fired for being a shitty WR coach, missing recruiting visits, coming to work late and inappropriate (to say the least) behavior in the office.
But I do not believe he's a domestic abuser. The entire "case" against him is based on pics his ex-wife posted and his response "I KNOW" to multiple things she accused of him, choking her being one of them. Her arms had marks on them like somebody picked her up and moved her which would happen if she was blocking him from leaving their home (just like my drunken ex-wife did one night).
I know I'm in the EXTREME minority on this one but I do sympathize with the guy on that front. He's getting crucified in the national media for being a domestic abuser, not an adulterer, and that's what he's responding to.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^
So you find it hard to believe that the guy cheating on his wife, ordering sex toys to his office and going on inane twitter rants could physically abuse his wife (who has pictures)?
Mmmmmkay.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^
Not what I said. I said i dont believe the fact that he did the other stuff necessarily makes him an abuser.
It didnt make me one.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:39 PM ^
That isn't what you said. You said "you don't believe he is an abuser" the first time. Those are two different stances.
And wait, you were a shitty WR coach too?
August 29th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^
I think you can say "He should have been fired, he did a lot of bad things (office stuff, tardiness, etc)" and also say "but I don't personally know whether he's an abuser".
August 29th, 2018 at 3:59 PM ^
Well that's what I meant but being not only a shitty WR coach I appear to also be a shitty communicator on this topic.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
Dude, if you were banging chicks at work and ordering sex toys to work, then take my upvote!
I get your point. He cheated on his wife, but that doesn't have anything to do with him abusing or not abusing her. They are 2 separate, unrelated events.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^
And big ass, brass balls for taking nude selfies at the White House. Gotta be some kind of federal offense. I know I’m offended.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^
and banging his secretary.
August 29th, 2018 at 7:25 PM ^
You ordered sex toys to your work place?! ;)
Bravo?
August 29th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^
Unless domestic violence laws are significantly different in Ohio, picking up a woman and moving her is domestic violence. Her blocking your exit is also domestic violence.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^
It is impossible based on what we know to come to really any conclusion as to whether he is/was guilty of domestic abuse. There is simply too much we do not know about the incidents. I would say that the rest of his conduct does not indicate that impulse control is a particularly strong suit of his and that I would lean toward, yeah probably.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^
1) The dirty Columbus PD didn't actually investigate this, because OSU
2) Shelly Meyer was concerned for Courtney Smith's safety in text messages, so at least Shelly believed her
3) I'm not sure what came of the "all the other coaches wives knew" comment, but it seems pretty easy to investigate, right?
August 29th, 2018 at 3:52 PM ^
You're talking about "Columbus PD," when the arguably-relevant events took place in Powell. Powell isn't even in the same county as Columbus.
I think that the major takeaway from Courtney Smith having texted with Shelley Meyer, and other coaches' wives is that they all knew and trusted each other and felt comfortable sharing information with each other. And of course by any reasonable account, Courtney Smith would have had a big financial interest in Zach Smith keeping, and not losing, his $340k job as an OSU coach.
So at what point was it Courtney Smith's wish that Zach Smith be terminated by Ohio State?
August 29th, 2018 at 4:00 PM ^
I apologize for my lack of Ohio geography, but the point remains that the local cops protected the state football team.
I don't think Courtney wanted Zack fired, but she probably considered the other coach's wives to be her friends and told them about the abuse.
August 29th, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^
Don't apologize. Ohio cops are all out to protect the football program above all things. . .
August 29th, 2018 at 5:41 PM ^
Really? What a dumbass opinion...i suggest you refrain from making more comments until you can think rationally
August 29th, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^
2009 Zach Smith was arrested and charged with felony domestic violence
Urban Meyer Was Aware Of Ohio State Coach's 2009 Domestic Violence Arrest
After the 2009 domestic violence,Urban Meyer says he tried to help the couple
Zach Smith has been abusing Courtney Smith for basically 1/3 of her life,think about that
August 29th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^
MGrow, your emphatic defense of this guy is bizarre, at least to me. It's fair to say we don't know with 100% certainty what's happened in that household, but there is a TON of damning evidence:
- 2009 incident
- multiple reported incidents since then. Multiple.
- his obvious alcohol/substance abuse problem (including, apparently, today, based on his crazy twitter rant)
- very clear impulse control issues, and a volcanic temper
- tons of extremely unusual, aberrant behavior that spilled into his work life - if he did this kind of stuff on OSU's dime, one can reasonably surmise his behavior outside work was even worse. Not direct evidence of physical abuse, but clearly behavior demonstrating a lack of concern/care toward his wife.
- I'm no expert on "defensive wounds", but the picture looks pretty awful to me. I've had passionate arguments with female partners, and have NEVER struck, injured, or left physical marks on a woman. Seems to me a big strong football coach could leave a room and a combustible situation without physically hurting anyone.
Self control and respect for women is a real thing. DV is awful, and accusations should be taken seriously.
I don't doubt or dispute that men and women can behave horribly, and she doesn't appear to be a wholly sympathetic character. However, based on everything that's been documented about Zach Smith, he does not deserve our benefit of doubt. At bare minimum, I believe there's no justification for injuring a woman badly enough to leave marks like that.
August 29th, 2018 at 6:44 PM ^
I can't believe how people can look at overwhelming evidence and just dismiss all of it so easily and so lazily. What is any evidence to the contrary? That his family that's nuts started making up accusations in the aftermath?
August 30th, 2018 at 3:05 AM ^
My dad beat my moms ass a bunch of times. Only saw him loaded into a cop car once. So did she get beat once or more than once? Not even sure he was ever charged or convicted of DV. But he damn sure did it.
My ex-wife tried convincing anyone who would listen that I was a coke head and a woman beater. I have done cocaine once in my life. On the souls of my children. And I have never once beat a woman, because of what I saw as a kid.
This is personal shit meant to convey that none of us knows shit. It is neither correct to assume he did or didn’t. Even if he is convicted or not, we still won’t know the whole truth. What we do know is Zach Smith is an asshole and deserved to get shit canned. Urban Meyer is a lying piece of shit. End of story. The keystone cops type “investigation” that was essentially a rubber stamping, proved that he absolutely deserved to be fired as well. However, We all know what people deserve and what people get, are two different things.
Note: my dad got help for a lot of his demons. He turned out to be a warm and loving grandpa and made up for many of his shortcomings as a Dad and husband. My mom eventually forgave him and they were friends later on in life after they divorced and the old wounds healed.
August 29th, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
Don’t know the guy, but I do know men (friends and family) who were accused of some pretty bad stuff by their exes which was proven to be demonstrably false in family and criminal court. It’s hard for a lot of these folks to not project their own experience (just like abuse victims i know also do) onto other situations.
Fwiw if you are purely playing the odds it’s way more likely than not that there was abuse.
August 29th, 2018 at 5:13 PM ^
Finally, someone (mGrowOld) who thinks critically!
August 29th, 2018 at 5:54 PM ^
Just curious, what is the case against him being an abuser based on? His claim that is wasn't? The fact that he wasn't charged?
This just sounds like, "Well, I had a crazy ex and I know what you're going through man. People don't understand that when you're wife is drunk you need to toss her out of the way so you can leave the house."
August 29th, 2018 at 8:36 PM ^
I'm in the camp that he has serious rage problems and probably abused her. I specifically joined that camp while watching his ESPN interview. However, your question is 100x ass backwards. It's not what evidence do you have to prove your innocence...
August 29th, 2018 at 10:30 PM ^
Sure it is. Life isn’t a courtroom proceeding. There is no presumption of innocence until proven guilty to some set standard of proof. CS has made allegations and provided some evidence. What evidence is there to the contrary? Why is it that when someone alleges domestic abuse, the default presumption is that it didn’t happen and the person making the allegation has to prove it? I get why legal systems and other institutions have presumptions of innocence, but why do I, am individaul trying to determine the truth, have to make such a presumption in these cases?
Notice that there is not just a simple presumption of innocence in these cases. In presuming the perpetrator is innocent, we also presume the alleged victim is lying (and committing a crime as well). You can’t say, “Well, I just assume all people are innocent.” Both people cannot be innocent in a case like this. You have to pick a side that gets the benefit of the doubt. Why is it the alleged perpetrator who gets that benefit?
August 29th, 2018 at 10:47 PM ^
You are wrong on so many counts and it's not on me to prove it. It's on you to prove you are right.
August 29th, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^
Great post. You hit the nail on the head.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
what's the over/under that he is drunk AF.... wearing nothing but his favorite ball lifter, tweeting away in an angry rage.....
wow.... think of your kids Zach.... think of the kids.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
I say he's wearing a dirty OSU t-shirt, socks, and nothing else.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^
well...maybe a ball lifter
August 29th, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^
This is the one detail of this whole ugly episode that made me laugh.
Until Zach Smith, I'd never seen or heard of a "ball lifter" - and I live in SF, and have seen some pretty wacky stuff.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^
what's the over/under that he is drunk AF.... wearing nothing but his favorite ball lifter, tweeting away in an angry rage.....
That... is a less appealing visual image than your avatar.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:39 PM ^
So, that first retweeted comment by "Liz Sweeney" is one of my coworkers. She is awful at her job, now I know why.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:00 PM ^
Call her out on posting on the company's dime tomorrow.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^
OMG NO.....MGoBlog calling out people for posting on company hours would be the glasshousiest stonethrow of all time.
August 29th, 2018 at 4:15 PM ^
^^ What this guy said.
August 29th, 2018 at 8:52 PM ^
I'm mentally saving this phrase for future use: "glasshousiest stonethrow of all time..."
August 29th, 2018 at 4:06 PM ^
she's cute though. So there's that I guess. :)
August 29th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^
As a Cubs fan I can appreciate her banner of the Cavs prematurely celebrating a World Series victory after Rajai Davis' HR off Chapman (another abuser). Great moments in Cleveland sports.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^
Hes going to run out of coke at some point
August 29th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^
He can still lick the dollar for at least an hour after that.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:52 PM ^
The man clearly suffers from mental illness. smh.
August 29th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
Let's just accept for a minute the OSU fanbase's premise that the hater mainstream media that's jealous of Urban Meyer's success is literally camped out behind the Woody Hayes Center waiting to pounce on the slightest whiff of impropriety to make a national story.
If that is true (it isn't) and y'all KEEP slow-lobbing pitches across home plate for them to whack out of the park, that ain't on the media, that's on you.