Welcome to the Hotel California
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave (your house).
Governor Newsom just announced that the entire state is under a mandatory shelter in place order. Apparently that report showing that 58% of the state would be infected within 8 weeks made an impression.
Any news from our MGoCalifornian's? Do you have enough toilet paper?
Have to figure more states will be soon to follow.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:43 PM ^
DB, we've got food/water. you're relatively near us and you are covered. you know how to get hold of me. have confidence.
here is an article on the governor's order, not quite as dire as hatter says, but more of a 'social contract' idea. link here: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/california-governor-issues-statewide-order-to-stay-at-home-effective-thursday-evening.html
this is bad flu, but its not the black death. we will be fine. will all take a financial hit, but it will be okay. now suck it up, be wise and resolute, and put one foot in front of the other.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:59 PM ^
I seriously love you.
Take care of your family XM, the world is going to need gentlemen like you to help repair the damage.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:09 PM ^
we're all home now. glad about that.
March 20th, 2020 at 12:53 AM ^
love thy neighbor has its limits syd.
Party at xtramelanin's! We all heard him say it....well he didn't say precisely that, but I'm choosing to interpret his comment as such.
I'll bring the bourbon...
Are we finally getting this MGoCamping trip together?
SaWeet! I’ll bring beer, cards and toilet paper.
March 20th, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^
y'all be sleeping in the barn with the livestock, or camped out back in the pasture. i'd be curious to see what one of our steers would do to a tent. i personally wouldn't chance it, but i also wouldn't miss the thrill of watching someone else give it a try.
I’m good with livestock as long as you don’t have bats, pangolins, civets, bamboo rats we can make it work.
XM - Only you could refer to this as a "bad flu" and still get UPVOTES!
March 19th, 2020 at 11:25 PM ^
Good luck to you kind sir.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:39 PM ^
Some insurance companies are now allowing an extra 30 day supply. Would recommend you call and check. I’m an under 6o in a high risk group too. Hang in there.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:45 PM ^
DB-- supply lines are not breaking down. There is no war. There are no zombies. There is no chaos in the streets. There is literally no shortage of anything except PPE and, if things really go bad in the next couple weeks, ventilators. Italy has no shortage of anything but those things and doctors (a problem we don't have with the exception of rural areas least likely to be affected).
You'll get your medicines. Your biggest vulnerability right now is the damage the stress is having on your immune system.
March 20th, 2020 at 12:13 AM ^
Agreed. Carve out 20 minutes every morning for an update from a trusted news source, but ignore all media the rest of the day.
Define "trusted news source", please...
We all know that pretty much all news organizations have some political bent. I prefer to stay in the center, but will stray center-left or center-right for interest pieces. For me, Politco is a strong source of news. Though I do read some from The Atlantic and Vox (they have left-leaning biases, but strongly stick to fact based reporting).
If either CNN or Fox News are your main inputs, you are being deceived in favor of strong political bias.
trusted news source
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/index.html
most 'sources' are ridiculous chicken little bullshit. It's a virus. WASH HANDS FREQUENTLY with soap and water. Avoid contact with large groups, social distancing is key. If you or someone you know is sick, avoid contact. Too many idiots here making it into the bubonic plague.
Is is too much as an American to ask for balanced and factual news. Just talk to real people. When you find, you can have a real factual conversation and discuss & accept different opinions as a human being.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:32 PM ^
We californians have bidets
March 19th, 2020 at 10:36 PM ^
Great personal investment in these times, if you ask me!
March 20th, 2020 at 12:12 AM ^
Try the new Toto "Rains Down in Africa" for an extra fresh cleaning.
Seriously, getting a high pressure jet of warm water in the tailpipe is a life-changing experience. TP is for barbarians.
March 20th, 2020 at 12:59 AM ^
You're good as long as the DPW are still working to keep your municipal water clean. That's my biggest concern out of everything. No one wants their region to turn into another Flint.
I'm in Michigan and have a bidet. There was some push back when I installed it from friends (and wife) but who's laughing now?! I mean, I am a little because a morning butt shower is kinda funny.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
Well, he better deploy the guard because after a week of the entire state being shut down, the insular, the selfish -- you know, the kind of people who hoard TP, are going to get antsy.
Especially as their refrigerators empty and their garbage piles up.
Not to mention the strain that is going to put on Cali's shitty infrastructure… welcome back to rolling blackout season.
Do I have a problem with the order or protections in the name of COVID19? No. I'm commenting about how shitty people have been through this.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:49 PM ^
You can leave your house to get food during a shelter in place.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by rolling blackouts, the energy use when everyone stays home is significantly less than when people go to school and work. This is why all day Sunday is considered light load in energy marketing.
Normally people aren’t home schooling their kids or working from home on Sundays. This is a new paradigm. I don’t think anyone can say for sure what’s going to happen.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:51 PM ^
Actually the European countries that have adopted this (Italy, France and Spain) have seen their electricity use decrease. It turns out that businesses were using more electricity than households.
You're not literally locked into your home. You can shop for food and get some exercise outside, just keeping a safe distance from other people.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^
Actually the European countries that have adopted this (Italy, France and Spain) have seen their electricity use decrease.
Yes.
But they don't have the tech based economy we do.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:12 PM ^
Doesnt matter. I work in generation dispatch for a living. When people stay home, energy consumptions drop. Weekends, holidays, etc have much lower loads than an average weekday.
You are 100% correct about reduced energy loads on weekends. I gave support to the load models as well as watched actual load profiles. Weekend loads are indeed lower due to reduced commercial demand.
Residential energy (electricity, nat-gas) demand is lower than commercial.
My source is DTE Energy.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:38 PM ^
You don’t think Europeans use computers at work (or at home)? It’s the year 2020 over there too.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:56 PM ^
What happens when you're told that 95% of the population will be infected and 20 million will die in 3 weeks unless you stay in your room?
(I'm mostly joking)
March 19th, 2020 at 11:49 PM ^
Apropos of nothing, isn't it just about wildfire season?
March 20th, 2020 at 12:36 AM ^
Garbage service is continuing as normal. Stores are well stocked. Supply lines are specifically still open for business as "essential".
“Cali’s shitty infrastructure”...really? Compared to Michigan’s (or wherever you live)? Californian here. Having done a 9000 mile road trip all over America last summer (in my Tesla Model 3), I can assure you that our infrastructure compares favorably to most other states. Why? Because despite having 20 million vehicles consuming our roads, our state has been running a big budget surplus since 2012, so we have been in a position to pour taxpayer dollars into fixing and expanding our roads, highways, bridges, and even dams (like Oroville).
March 19th, 2020 at 10:33 PM ^
We keep 50 rolls of TP on hand anyway. Nothing new here. California is usually a preview of coming attractions for the rest of the country anyway.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:34 PM ^
Is it actually going to be enforced? If so, how? That’s my question. Are you getting fined or imprisoned if you’re caught being outside without a valid reason? If not, then are you just trusting people to adhere to the honor system? And if you are enforcing it, is this via local beat cops who deal with enough day to day shit as it is? Or are you pulling in the National Guard.
Don’t get me wrong. At this point I think it’s a necessary measure, but I’m curious as to how it will be enforced and what the punishment is for violating it. If you’re just asking people to go by the honor system, then I have my doubts about how well this work. Too many ignorant, arrogant “Fuck you this is America I have freedom and can go where I want when I want” types out there who still think this isn’t a big deal.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:37 PM ^
We're only a step or 2 away from martial law in this country.
It wouldn't surprise me to see people get arrested at first and as social order breaks down harsher methods could also be used.
I hope I've just read too many books
March 19th, 2020 at 10:49 PM ^
The trouble with arresting people is that it is counterproductive - it violates social distancing if they are put in jail, in a police car, etc.
As long as people aren’t abusing it, it will be fine.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:00 PM ^
I hope you're right
March 20th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^
They don't have time money or want to enforce Marshall law. Defeats purpose also means lots of close contact with others.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:41 PM ^
Yeah, right now I'm having trouble finding the specifics on this. I read an article that said grocery stores will still be open, so I imagine people can still go out for food. Doesn't seem like a true lockdown, China style.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:52 PM ^
One of the articles I read said people can still go out for essentials (like groceries, gas, work if they have no choice but to go in for work), take walks, doctor’s appointments and the like. So I know there is some wiggle room here. I’m just really curious how they’re going to be able to siphon out who has a valid reason for being out and who doesn’t. Are you literally going to pull everyone over to confirm?
I also just have a hard time envisioning your local police force, who’s jobs are already busy enough, will be able to properly handle enforcing this on their own. This really does seem like something where if you want to do it right, you have to have the National Guard present to back them up.
It really does terrify me to type that out. Just how close we could be to martial law.
Lots of wiggle room between “we need everyone to stay home unless there is a need” and “we will lock you up”
I’m in suburban Bay Area CA and most people who can are staying home. People are walking their dogs (my dog is delighted by this turn of events), going to the grocery store, and picking up take out. Basically being rational, which is quite the change in behavior for CA. I haven’t seen a single police officer this week.
I predict a lot of Netflix and chill.
See username.
We're fine. It's super quiet here in general, but people are out and about, taking walks or bike rides (which are absolutely allowed under the restrictions). NO traffic.
It's spring here, so weather is beautiful, and everything is in bloom - the city smells like jasmine and magnolia.
I know the media has painted a picture of SF being a hellscape of homeless encampments, needles and shit - that's a sad reality in a few areas, but most of this city is incredibly beautiful.
The vast majority of people are keeping a safe social distance, so interaction is limited - but my experiences have been extraordinarily kind. Most folks are doing their best to be helpful and positive during trying times.
Everyone is calm, police are present but chill.
It's frustrating to see groups of people playing basketball or soccer.
Sitting at home alone sucks, so it's essential to get out once in awhile for mental health.
No traffic, most people hunkering down as recommended. It's B-o-r-i-n-g.
Stay safe and positive everyone.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:58 PM ^
Workers performing essential services including utilities, farmers health care emergency can go to work. You can go out to buy essentials including food (including takeout) and hardware, you can walk your dog and ride a bike.
many nonessential stores will be shut down, but honestly, given the level of social distancing many I know in the DC area are doing, it doesn’t seem that different.
March 20th, 2020 at 12:42 AM ^
Business's breaking the order will be fined. Individuals, not so much. But there were some stupid cases of people getting parking tickets at regional parks in the confusion before they were declared essential. It's not that you can't be outside, you're just advised to practice social distancing. I took my dog to the park the other day and plenty of people were there. The only difference was waiting at the single file bridge to keep distance from others.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
Can we see this model that produced the 58% number? Will that be released? Where did this come from?
And who defines "essential services?"
This is frightening - damn frightening - and it's not the virus which is frightening me any more.
March 19th, 2020 at 10:45 PM ^
We have lost our minds.
March 19th, 2020 at 11:23 PM ^
Absolutely. We have absolutely lost our minds.
Nobody sees the world in shades of gray anymore. We can't MODERATE our "social interactions," which is effective in its own right in terms of reducing the "reproduction number."
No, we must mandate ELIMINATION of them! In the hopeless cause that we're going to reduce that "reproduction number" to zero.
This is going to end in riots.