Rumor running around other boards about the start of the football season.
First a caveat: The following is a rumor.
that said it’s showing up on the paid message boards and the three athletic department employees I personally know we’re not interested in discussing when I emailed/talked on the phone with them this weekend.
The rumor is that the football players probably won’t be in shape to start the season on time. Rather than risk the players health, the prevailing idea is to cancel the non-conference season and do a shortened season consisting of only the 9 B1G games.
Anyone else hearing this noise?
So you would need a six week fall camp. Then two weeks off and start first weekend in October and scrap byes as well.
It could be done, but I don't think it will.
It would get harder if, for example, you are the SEC where non-conference games are mixed into what the B1G would call the "conference game part of the season."
I'm sure the conferences are having these sorts of discussions. They should so they have contingency plans, should they need them.
MSU opens against Northwestern this year so not just SEC. I thought these were mutually arranged when two big10 teams had a common bye. So maybe that game gets pushed back to its regularly scheduled date.
No, but the reality is that no one can possibly be in position to make any kind of prediction at this point. The world is about to come to a standstill. Trying to predict what might be possible a month, 3 months, 6 months or even a year or longer is nonsensical right now.
Totally agree. Just way too many unknowns at this point.
Exactly. Check back in a month. Then check back in another month.
South Korea is going to start sports leagues again in April. Cancelling August sporting events in March would be insane.
No one can predict. However you need to start making some plans for the future and have a way to implement it if needed. Right now they are probably under the assumption that things may return to normal by September and that’s probably garnered from information they have now so making a plan for it. It’s always good to be proactive instead of just sitting around and then react when the time comes
TBH, I would not be surprised at all if the whole football season is canceled. Getting 40,000 to 110,000 people together Saturday after Saturday is a recipe for disaster when it comes to spreading this virus that is shutting everything down.
The virus isn’t shutting anything down. It’s chicken littles in government that is the cause of that.
I hope you just forgot the "/s"?
Why would that be sarcastic? Do you not know what sarcasm is?
It's literally government orders that are shutting everything down. Most businesses would still be open if not for the government.
Yeah I was totally being sarcastic when I said a virus didn’t shut everything down. I mean cause obviously it’s a virus on everyone’s television and phone shutting everything down and not elected officials. Everyone remember the Ebola shut down of 2016?
Ebola killed 11,363 people. That was over the course of 2.5 years. We've already had over 15,000 and many countries are still seeing exponential growth of cases. Hospitals in Michigan are about to run out of ventilators and you're going to see deaths skyrocket as they did in Italy. There's a non-zero chance that we see a day in the next few weeks where more than 11,363 people die from COVID. It all depends on how effective the measures up to today have been at slowing it down because it takes ~10 days for the people who get sick today to show up in the numbers.
Just to put this in perspective, using the most conservative estimates out there:
- 10 million people in Michigan
- 40% get the virus = 4 million
- 0.5% die from the virus = 20,000 people in Michigan alone will die
However, the health system isn't capable of handling that many people at once:
- 8% will require a ventilator = 320,000
- 1000 ventilators in Michigan
This is where the numbers get a little fuzzy, but rough estimates that I've seen are:
- 50% mortality when a patient needs a ventilator and gets one = 500 deaths
- Near 100% when they don't = 319,000 deaths
That's an absolute worst case scenario based on conservative estimates. What further complicates things is that, in Italy, they are having to decide who gets a treatment and who doesn't. They're basing that decision on the number of years of life that they would expect to save. Older people, who are the most susceptible have a lower life expectancy, so the younger people are getting treatment and ventilators instead, which inflates the number of deaths even further.
Your mentality is absolutely the worst because you think that you're only risking your own life when, in reality, if someone contracts COVID because of you and they need critical care, you've just likely cost someone their life whether that be the person who got it from you or the person who would otherwise have a ventilator if not for the person you infected.
Sure, blame everything on the virus or the government and not your own stupid and selfish actions. It's not going to change the reality that taking this seriously and staying inside will save lives. You have the capability to help and you spewing ignorant and malicious disinformation is the exact opposite.
Let me guess, you’re a big fan of a “news” station that was calling this all a hoax as of two weeks ago...
By hoax, they were referring to the next agenda people were going to attack the president for not that the virus was real or fake. Agendas like Russia conspiracy and impeachment.
If you read past the fake headlines and had half a brain you could figure that out.
Fuck your dopey president.
January 22nd:
Sean Hannity: "Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?"
Donald Trump: "No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control."
March 17th:
Donald Trump: "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
Don today slammed big companies for all the stock buybacks they did. The guy just says whatever suits his best interests today
I'm reading this book about system 1 and system 2 thinking right now. My understanding is that even those of us who see through his bullshit on a regular basis still have our system 1 thinking influenced by him. Probably explains why we move on from his scandals so quickly.
The fact anyone can be stupid enough to support that jackass in the WH is beyond me. Impeachment hoax where the POTUS admitted on camera outside the White House that he was with holding aid until an investigation in a political rival was launched....calling Covid 19 a hoax and then referring it to the Chinese Virus...and thousands of other lies, racist remarks, and blindly stealing from the American people.
Get outta here with that garbage supporting that moron. And this is coming from a moderate who never aligned with a political party before.
You're a dumb and dangerous person. Two weeks ago, our president was calling a verified and deadly pandemic a hoax that would "go away" rather than preparing for it. As such, there's no telling how many Americans will become seriously ill or die because of his callous ineptitude.
And by the way, asshole, he was impeached because he demonstrably tried to circumvent congress to help himself politically. This is undisputed.
Your ignorance is staggering. Go away.
Using the word hoax, in any capacity, when discussing a worldwide pandemic is generally a stupid idea.
March 23rd, 2020 at 10:37 AM ^
So, if I'm reading correctly, the main point you are looking to make here is that you don't know what the word hoax means. Duly noted.
Fake news.
Logged in to call you a fucking moron. Watch another channel not named after an animal. Any one of them would be fine. Even ESPN has covered SCIENCE supported research. You and your crowd deserve to lick every infested hand rail. Fuck off.
Logging back off. Be safe all.
Even this dumb fuck.
lol@the anti-vaxxer crowd making this political. Stay logged off princess. Probably more conservative governors going overboard than anything, but yes let’s just assume it’s the Fox News crowd who thinks this whole thing is an overreaction.
P.S. When there is a vaccine for this in about a year and a half I hope you stay home. God forbid it cause your kid to have autism or something. ????
There is something wrong with you man.
Fuck off with this. Almost 14,000 people were diagnosed with Coronavirus, and 94 people died from it in the US yesterday alone. We had 24,207 confirmed cases and 302 deaths in total from the beginning of this thing until yesterday, and today we have 38,138, and 396 deaths. This is a big deal already, and it's only going to get much worse.
Just to be clear, I'm citing data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
No way Michigan is squeezing 100k into a stadium without a cure. Not sure what agenda that would promote.
It's a new world. Viruses aren't political. Seems to me this is a global pandemic no leader created. People need to get out of their own way and get on the same page and support the country and medical community.
Fully understand that is beyond some to do that seek power and opportunity in these times. They stand out and appear very small.
I’m not so sure, Russians seem immune looking at their case numbers
/s
Seems to me this is a global pandemic no leader created.
I call foul on that. China knew about it. Their communist government was more concerned about saving face than doing the right thing.
https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html
Doctors who tried to speak out were reprimanded:
Eh. China definitely did bad shit. But a virus that causes people to be contagious for more than a week before being symptomatic was never going to be contained to a nations borders. You can't be mad at mother nature if you live in Kansas and don't have insurance against tornadoes.
I'm not debating how contagious it can be.
I'm calling bullshit on the notion that if China hadn't fucked around it still would have happened.
If containment procedures would have been implemented back in November or December it's not the pandemic it is now.
And Trump publicly took Xi's word about it over his own intelligence services and experts. And continued doing so for weeks.
Just as a point of reference......about 3.3mm people die in the US (on average) in any given year. That's 275,000 a month - dead. So, 302 deaths is not really moving the needle all that much. Even in worst case scenarios of 500,000 dead, that's less than two months of average future deaths accelerated into this year.
This is a good article to read on the data we have so far and what true mortality rates might be: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
Also, the Soviet Union lost 27mm people in WW2 over a 6 year period - 4.5mm a year. The numbers being shouted out as possible worst case scenarios are a BLIP compared to historical losses over other tragedies/atrocities.
The the argument in that article you linked is based on small sample data from the Diamond Princes cruise ship. There is much more data out there, such as what is happening in Italy, Spain and now New York, that points to a much higher death rate than what was seen on the Diamond Princess. Saying that only 302 people died so far is meaningless, because the number of deaths is growing exponentially, and will be much higher a few days from now.
No other data is as complete as the Diamond Princess, unfortunately. Every passenger was tested (over 3,700) and so far only 7 people have died. It's as close to a lab experiment, en masse, we can get. If a sample size of 100 is supposed to be a "representative sample", then I think 3,700 should be considered more than enough to draw meaningful conclusions.
The mortality rate in Italy is skewed because they attribute every death of an individual who tests positive and dies to coronavirus. It's the same thing you typically see in the US during natural disasters such as floods. Usually it gets sorted out later. A lot of those deaths are probably due to an underlying condition.
March 22nd, 2020 at 11:25 PM ^
Interesting, do you have a source for this?
This isn't where I saw it originally. I saw a complaint from a doctor over there.
I cant seem to reply your post linking your source. The problem I have with your source, is that you linked me to some political commentator, who appears to be stating his opinion, and who posted a source with a broken link as his evidence. Bottom line is I need more than just an opinion, whether it's from some random guy on facebook, or some "doctor" in Italy who provides a claim without a source.
How many times have you posted that Ioannidis piece? How many more times do you intend to post it?
Here's another one from the same site that references it:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/we-know-enough-now-to-act-decisively-against-covid-19/
Ioannidis is basically barking at the moon. Of course we're headed for some sort of economic disaster. Of course it would be better to have more testing data. No shit. The other guy discusses what we can do now that testing has been bungled.
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Also, WTF does a WWII tragedy have to do with anything. Are you trying to trivialize thousands of possible deaths?
I don't know how many times.....I'd like people to see it and comment on it as it shoes a different perspective. if you want to believe it's the end of days, go ahead. I personally don't think it will be as bad as people are projecting.
WWII numbers are to give people perspective.....there have been MUCH worse tragedies than this to happen. People need to get a grip and realize the numbers we have here, even in the "terrible" scenario, are not as bad as people fear. We don't need to VOLUNTARILY go into an economic disaster over deaths that fit within the "normal bound" of what happens under normal conditions.
We lose 250,000 people every month and no one bats an eye.....are those deaths being trivialized? We don't we shut down the whole system for them?
People like you are the reason it spreads so fast and you are also the reason I have been working from home for 2 weeks with my son who has neutropenia. If you want to know why the entire economy is shutting down, look in the mirror. You and everyone who doesn’t think this is a big deal are the reason everyone has to stay home. That and the lack of testing available. So it’s you and your friends and the president. Good company for you to be a part of
What are you talking about? I've self quarantined for 14 days (kids included) when we saw this spreading in our community. This was WAY before anyone else I've known so ..... what the hell are you talking about?
I can believe we are overreacting while still complying. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
What is an overreaction then? If you think it is important enough to self-quarantine, what would be an overreaction?
I thought it was important to self quarantine because I believed I'd been exposed to Covid 19, maybe even gone through it, and didn't want to risk infecting anyone else. I pulled my kids out of school so they wouldn't spread it to others and have been at home since.
An overreaction would be shutting down the economy beyond 30 days given the data we have to date. Data so far shows this is most deadly for people who are aged 70+ (or have underlying conditions) so I would suggest a national quarantine of 90 days for anyone over the age 70 or for anyone with a significant immunodeficiency. I would like to see a "national guard like" system be rolled out to care for whatever number of people fit in that bucket while the rest of society goes through this to build some immunities.
I don't know how someone can be so cavalier about a sum like 500,000 deaths. Or why someone would use Soviet losses in World War II to suggest that coronavirus may not be all that bad. Yes, we might suffer fewer deaths than the USSR. That's supposed to be comforting? Good lord some people are trotting out the most incredible arguments during this crisis.
I do it for perspective. The numbers we are talking about here, even under the worst case scenarios, are within the "normal bound" of deaths in the US - we lose 3.3mm every year or about 275,000 a month.
Why are we so concerned about 500,000 to die when in a normal year no one blinks at 6x that amount of deaths.....every year! Hell, every 2 months we have that many deaths naturally and a lot of these people dying would probably have been in that bucket.
Global death rates are 150,000 a day in a normal year. I know 500,000 sounds like a lot but it's a blip in the grand scheme of things.
I’m sure if someone in your family that you loved got COVID-19 and died, you would feel super comforted knowing that a whole bunch of other people you don’t know also died on the same day for other unknown reasons