NotADuck

January 14th, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^

As a Derrick Henry fantasy owner this past season, it is entirely possible to game plan for Derrick Henry.  He had a lot of boom/bust games.  Some games he ran for 150 or 200 yards, others it was closer to 70 or less.  If you stack the box against him he can't build up power/get going.  Of course then the hard part becomes stopping the play action pass the Titans run off that.  The only team to stop both this year was the Ravens in the last game.  Kudos to them.

GhostofJermain…

January 14th, 2021 at 10:32 AM ^

This is not an actual question.  Sunshine is the number 1 pick, and thats even if Fields runs a 4.2 40.  Best QB prospect since Luck.

Most likely Urban takes Mariotti and either Pantoni, Coombs, or Hartline.  Might even give Judas a call to help him with the transition to NFL.  

Nonetheless, this is incredibly great news for Michigan if he takes the JAX job.

Cheers

FatGuyTouchdown

January 14th, 2021 at 12:47 PM ^

First off, he'll take Lawrence because Lawrence is the easiest pick since Andrew Luck. But Fields would also probably be the best QB prospect since Luck this year. 

I think he takes MM, Pantoni, Dennis, and maybe Hartline. I can't see Coombs going right back to the AFC South. I wouldn't be shocked if Larry Johnson leaves. There have been rumors about his retirement for a few years now, and taking an easier gig in Jacksonville to ride out a year or two isn't that bad of an option. 

But agreed, this is absolutely massive news for Michigan. With Texas hiring Sark and this happening, Ohio State's 2022 class just got a lot more precarious. 

 

Perkis-Size Me

January 14th, 2021 at 12:34 PM ^

Trading out of the #1 overall pick, this year, is a fireable offense. Some years its not, but this year it is. Trevor Lawrence is sitting right there. He's the best QB prospect to come out since Andrew Luck. Maybe since Peyton Manning, who knows? And Jacksonville needs a QB. If Meyer voluntarily passes that kid up, I'm not sure he lasts one season. Especially if Lawrence goes somewhere else and lights it up. 

The ONLY REASON I would ever trade out of the first pick this year is if Lawrence publicly makes it clear that he will never suit up for the Jags if they draft him. At that point, fine. Offer to trade down, and let the Jets, the Falcons, or the Texans (if Watson trades out) try to out-do each other on trade offers. In that situation, you walk away with a king's ransom of draft picks, on top of all the picks and salary cap space you already have. Plus, if you trade with any of those teams, Fields may very well still be available. 

But yeah, otherwise I would never trade out of this spot. Not this year. 

Gentleman Squirrels

January 14th, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^

The addition of Ryan Tannehill played a huge part in unlocking Henry. Just a couple years ago Henry looked like a bust and then they switched Mariota for a semi-accurate passer in Tannehill (along with some smart WR additions like AJ Brown) and suddenly he’s the Incredible Hulk. I would say Michigan has had a similar issue with their RBs. Tons of talent, but not enough of a threat from the QB position.

NotADuck

January 14th, 2021 at 1:59 PM ^

I don't think I called him a bust, full stop.  I think I said he either boomed or busted most of the time, which is true,  He had 7 games of 15 or fewer fantasy points for me this season (4 of them under 10).  The other games were a single 17 point performance and the rest were over 20 (2 over 30 and 1 at 40!!!).  Am I glad I drafted him?  Absolutely.  Were almost half of his games a disappointment for my team?  Yes.  Does that matter?  Hell no.  I'm just a guy who likes fantasy football.

Also I don't think 1000 yards in a season is special any more.  There were 9 players to do it this season (one of them Lamar Jackson).  If you expand it out to 950 the list grows to 13 with Kenyan Drake and Ronald Jones making the list.  Then players who didn't start/play for half the season had good rushing totals like Antonio Gibson (795), JK Dobbins (805), Clyde Edwards-Helaire (803), Kareem Hunt (841), and Miles Sanders (867).  I just don't think 1000 yards is as special as we used to think.

UMAmaizinBlue

January 14th, 2021 at 9:51 AM ^

It's certainly a high ceiling hire. I'm curious to see if he'll be more in the vein of Pete Carroll/Jimmy Johnson, of if he'll be more of a Nick Saban/Chip Kelly (or worse, Mike Riley).

corundum

January 14th, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^

This is a tired MgoMeme.

Urban did great at BGSU and Utah without having an athlete advantage. At BGSU he took a team that was 2-9 and went 8-3 in his first season without any of his recruits. Dude knows how to win and can put together an amazing staff.

Just take his BGSU coaching staff for example:

Tim Banks at CB, Tim Beckman at DC, Stan Drayton at RB, Dan Mullen at QB, and Greg Studrawa at OL.

I think this is great hire for Jacksonville where expectations aren't ridiculous.

Goldenrod Mandude

January 14th, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^

Corundum.

 

You've jumped to his defense multiple times.  Fair enough.  What will his record be next year?  Playoffs?  How soon will he turn it around?  I think he will be another Saban.  Only time will tell, but lets hear it. Here is the counter argument.  A decent coach can excel in the MAC.  Brady Hoke did, Solich continues to churn out wins, Matt Campbell did etc. 

He was running the new Rich Rod spread at the time in the MAC and Utah (who was in Utah's conference back then?  It's evolved since that time) and it  was an avant garde offense.  Nobody knew how to stop it.  Since then he has out recruited everyone and had better athletes almost every time he was on the field.  Most games in the NFL are decided by 1 or 2 scores.  It is a parity league.  Yes.  He was a GREAT college coach.  I don't think it translates at that level in the NFL.  Time will tell.

corundum

January 14th, 2021 at 3:08 PM ^

Hey thanks for the response. I'll admit that I'm positively biased towards Urban for some personal reasons compared to most of the MgoCommunity. 

Schematically he's a great Xs and Os coach but I think he can be more of a CEO type coach with excellent time management skills with the right staff. The power option concepts have been more influential in the NFL as of late, specifically at Buffalo and Baltimore. Both of those teams are current contenders.

Most importantly the situation is right for him: Jacksonville isn't a market with unreasonable expectations and I think he could have them competitive for a wildcard spot within 3 years, especially with their salary cap space and future draft picks. The AFC south has a strong team in Tennessee but Houston is a disaster and Indianapolis is solid but Rivers isn't going to have them competing for division even with that strong defense.

Stringer Bell

January 14th, 2021 at 10:09 AM ^

If Lawrence is the real deal then Urban will do just fine.  Saban's issue was that he wanted Drew Brees but didn't get him.  If Miami had gotten Brees Saban would still be in the NFL, likely with a couple championships to his name.

Even Belichick is showing that you can't win in this league without a QB.

MichAtl85

January 14th, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^

I’m not sure what kind of argument Indy Pete is making. Is this to make us feel better about Harbaugh because he has a better winning record when talent is more evenly spread out? Because after 6 years I could care less what he’s done at previous stops. 
 

If what Saban and Meyer have done at the collegiate level is so easy why can’t we emulate it? Why can’t Georgia or Tennessee or USC post Pete Carroll or Texas?

Indy Pete - Go Blue

January 14th, 2021 at 12:03 PM ^

I am not making any argument or insinuating anything about Harbaugh or college coaching. I’m just stating the fact that Saban never got it done in the NFL. I am still waiting for someone to explain how he succeeded?  It seems like I’ve ruffled feathers feathers of some Saban apologists - touchy group!  If you think 15-17 is good, you are entitled to that opinion. I just think it is not good. 

Jeff_GoBlue

January 14th, 2021 at 12:33 PM ^

It's a lot easier to be a great coach when you have better talent across the board...  especially at QB.  There have been a lot of great coaches that struggle to win games when they don't have a good QB.  This has been the Michigan difference since Harbaugh arrived. Good QB play = good seasons.  Poor QB play = poor seasons.