I think there is a long way from beating most every team 45-7 to losing 5 games. I wouldn't be shocked mind you. But I also expect 10-2 or 9-3 being a lot more likely. We've had worse QB situations and won 10 games.
Eh, I am not an Orji fan myself, but if Denegal doesn't put some space between himself and Orji by opening day I'm rolling both out. Players get better playing.
Not unfair at all. Any organization that doesn't have strong outside pressure to perform rather than be performative is chock full of spineless petty bureaucrats. At this point in my life I assume it's just part of the human condition.
I think it's ridiculous to assume Harbaugh was leaving under any circumstances. If Michigan's administration had backed Harbaugh throughout his tenure rather than being the spineless bureaucrats they were, I wouldn't be surprised if he were still here.
Yep, there is cheap like I won't order overpriced drinks at restaurants and then there is cheap where you don't round the tip up quite a bit because you didn't order the overpriced drinks. I see Harbaugh as the former not the latter.
Funny my wife and I have watched both Rockford and Columbo over the last few years. Great TV. Today's TV has better production value and acting but the writing is just awful.
Man made a couple plays for us against Alabama and I'm glad he is back for depth purposes, but Berry or one of the others better pass Q Johnson or that's going to be a leaky boat.
Even on offense there are so many guys we liked coming in as recruits that we haven't seen play yet I can't really be worried about the roster. Awesome job putting this all together.
Nothing says Harbaugh is in the heads of the NFL teams. That's only being inferred by the media covering the NFL. And the media is notoriously gullible.
We only saw MH Jr. at his worst, against Michigan. Or at least most of us have. Certainly true for me. If he's anywhere near as good as people say he would be my choice if you can't get a 10 year o-lineman. If his blocking is dubious, there are solutions to that. Have him run fly routes on run plays. Are YOU not covering him?
I watch it on tape delay. No commercials too, which is nice.
I watched one game last year mostly live. This year there are 5 I may watch live. It'd going to be glorious. And given our schedule I think it's pretty likely we could lose 2 and still make the playoffs.
I mean, would you be surprised to find out Howard had leaned on one of the admissions staff at some point and the rest of the petty bureaucrats in admissions made it more difficult later? I wouldn't.
I am probably one of the most vociferous critics of so-called journalists on this board, but I don't get the issue with this at all. It's accurate, he failed (failure is part of life) and its nicely artistic with all sorts of call backs that people get.
Maybe I should consider its not the journalists I hate but the people who get all butthurt when journalists hit the nail square.
Yes, something people who don't work with contracts assume is that once something is signed its done. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most contracts don't make it until term unless both parties are content. Which is quite obviously not the case here.
That seems to be the rule at Michigan. 3 to 3 1/2 years to graduation. I realize football is a full time job, but with the proper degree track and access to tutors like these guys have, totally doable.
I'm assuming the idea is that you either find a spot in the 2 deep or graduate and go somewhere else without hurting the academic metrics. Not a bad way to start life with a UM degree in hand and no college debt.
I'm assuming the verbiage over starting to put a list together just now is just journalistic pablum given any competent administrator would have done all this long ago.
I dislike Manuel as much as most of us who know nothing about his job other than he tends to exhibit traits most of us have learned to associate with do-nothing administrator types.
Pretty amazing what that team has accomplished in 3 launches. 2 or so years sounds like Tesla "35k" electric car talk, but stretch goals motivate organizations for certain.
God no, I hope they find someone else as a starter. He has a known floor he can give you in case none of the younger kids can get it together. It's a long season, even low ceiling-high floor guys can be important.
Maybe Harbaugh was willing to overlook whatever issue he had with Hart because he was Mike Fu**ing Hart, and Moore doesn't have the ex-Michigan football player/leader connection those two had.
They didn't learn anything. They just added another bureaucratic layer between themselves and anything that goes wrongs being blamed on them. When the next Stallions or Weiss happens they will first deflect the heat to new background checkers rather than take any responsibility at all.
Wait, so losing Jim Harbaugh and all the BS that went at the football program last year and basketball being a dumpster fire on and off the court don't count as crisis'? What does for a sports AD then?
Sure. It is one bureaucracy replacing another, can't avoid that. But I'd rather have a bureaucracy that is looking out for the interests of the 2 big boy conferences rather than trying to make rules that also have to apply to Podunk State.
I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet. It seemed inevitable when there was 5 conferences in the major revenue sport. With just 2 it's when not if. Is the NIT a company with stock? Might be a buy.
What's frustrating is when you realize that the vast, vast majority of non-Michigan fans form their opinion on things based solely on the generalizations of national media talking heads like him.
I mean, this is pretty much 95% of the population on 95% of issues.
This will die in committee, or be watered down to be meaningless. No way in hell this bunch of back slappers would penalize the very people who allow them to exist.
Well, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Howard could do exactly what Harbaugh did. Completely revamp the staff and culture, approach to recruiting, and his own attitude toward the program.
That's a huge lift for anyone, let alone people who have the egos head coaches have.
The NCAA tournament would have to be run by someone else. That should be understood if you are going to distribute that money to players. The NIT used to run this, they can again.
That also means the NCAA is going to find a different revenue source. Which will also likely change their focus and who calls the shots.
Title IX will be overcome. There is enough money to pay off the appropriate people, just as they do now.
I like the idea of using the playoff money to compensate players from the conferences participating. One of the biggest issues I have with the pay-the-players crew is "which players". Football makes the money, how do we pay the people making the money, football players, and not softball or crew athletes who are already overcompensated, relatively.
This is the answer. Basketball can use their tournament too.
I'd like it if the conferences just said that with tie-breakers and 16-18 teams they are going to value matchups that haven't happened already in the picks. Especially if it's the second team they are debating.
OSU is 12-0 and the only 1 loss team they hadn't played is Oregon. Set it up.
I think that could happen. I could also see those last 3 SEC teams all losing to take the shine off of doing it again too. Or conversely, they all win, proving they should be in.
I'd be fine with that scenario. Georgia, OSU, Fla St and Utah with byes. Michigan Texas Alabama and Oregon host Tulane, Notre Dame K-State and Clemson. I'd not be unhappy with that allocation nor slate of games at all.
My hope is Martindale can adjust a bit for the current bend-but-don't-break environment. High risk, high reward was the play when every play was designed to get 5-10 yards. Nowadays every play is designed to go to the house. Risk is too high, just keep it down to a chunk if you get got.
Amen brother. Hope they keep the rotation deep this year too. You get better st football by playing football.
And with a 12 team playoff we could easily lose 2 this year and still make it. Depending on the 2 and how we lose of course. No reason not to get the young guys time on the field.
Sabb hurts. He was going to be an important bit of the secondary this fall no doubt. Also can't blame the man for going somewhere else. He's starter material anywhere but here.
Edit: no idea where backfield came from in place of secondary. This isn't 1920, there are rules.
And Michigan has made it a point to make sure those who transfer usually have some sort of degree in hand.
We usually see a batch right after spring ball, like the above poster mentioned. I'm assuming it's kids who find themselves in a bad spot on the depth chart and are hoping for a new start somewhere else. I've always assumed the parting is somewhat mutual when that happens.
The good thing is, you can do that while young and move on to something entirely different later. Management, especially C-suite nowadays are not uncommon. And if you want to chill 10-20 years down the line and just work Per Diem or part time, Nursing is one of the few trades you can do that in.
I think it gives us a high floor. No RichRod year 1 crap. At worst we have a serviceable QB who gets us to 8 wins. Then we hope one of many options end up better than him.
I mean, might as well. I couldn't possibly form an opinion on these young guys with as little track record as they have. I'm going to stay positive just as I have been since Harbaugh arrived and assume every hire is good until Ohio State drops 62 on us again.
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Same with Q Johnson. It's darn nice we can pay guys with high floors to stay on the team in case their younger more athletic team mates don't pan out.
I mean, you could do worse than starting a freshman QB on a team that should run the ball 60% of the time.
I think there is a long way from beating most every team 45-7 to losing 5 games. I wouldn't be shocked mind you. But I also expect 10-2 or 9-3 being a lot more likely. We've had worse QB situations and won 10 games.
Of course, now we don't have Harbaugh. So shrug.
Eh, I am not an Orji fan myself, but if Denegal doesn't put some space between himself and Orji by opening day I'm rolling both out. Players get better playing.
The Rose Bowl was a literal dream come to life. Nearly the perfect movie script. Miracle come to life.
2021 OSU was like pornography. Every hand-off to Haskins in the 4th was like watching the bully in every TV show get his ass beat over and over.
I'm not Brian. I can't put in words like he can. But i still tear up thinking of that game.
I'd reverse the order, but those 2 for sure. All the other big games kind of fade into the background after those.
Not unfair at all. Any organization that doesn't have strong outside pressure to perform rather than be performative is chock full of spineless petty bureaucrats. At this point in my life I assume it's just part of the human condition.
I think it's ridiculous to assume Harbaugh was leaving under any circumstances. If Michigan's administration had backed Harbaugh throughout his tenure rather than being the spineless bureaucrats they were, I wouldn't be surprised if he were still here.
I think the priority here was 'don't pay what Wrigley and Soldier fields were asking to put 20,000 fans when they play Indiana'. Smart.
I suspect they will work something out for the Big games if it makes sense financially.
Yep, there is cheap like I won't order overpriced drinks at restaurants and then there is cheap where you don't round the tip up quite a bit because you didn't order the overpriced drinks. I see Harbaugh as the former not the latter.
Funny my wife and I have watched both Rockford and Columbo over the last few years. Great TV. Today's TV has better production value and acting but the writing is just awful.
Any other recommendations like those two shows?
Man made a couple plays for us against Alabama and I'm glad he is back for depth purposes, but Berry or one of the others better pass Q Johnson or that's going to be a leaky boat.
Even on offense there are so many guys we liked coming in as recruits that we haven't seen play yet I can't really be worried about the roster. Awesome job putting this all together.
Nothing says Harbaugh is in the heads of the NFL teams. That's only being inferred by the media covering the NFL. And the media is notoriously gullible.
We only saw MH Jr. at his worst, against Michigan. Or at least most of us have. Certainly true for me. If he's anywhere near as good as people say he would be my choice if you can't get a 10 year o-lineman. If his blocking is dubious, there are solutions to that. Have him run fly routes on run plays. Are YOU not covering him?
I watch it on tape delay. No commercials too, which is nice.
I watched one game last year mostly live. This year there are 5 I may watch live. It'd going to be glorious. And given our schedule I think it's pretty likely we could lose 2 and still make the playoffs.
Good question. I'm sure given we humans are all built differently people like different shirts, but Gilden is one of my go-to shirt brands.
I mean, would you be surprised to find out Howard had leaned on one of the admissions staff at some point and the rest of the petty bureaucrats in admissions made it more difficult later? I wouldn't.
I am probably one of the most vociferous critics of so-called journalists on this board, but I don't get the issue with this at all. It's accurate, he failed (failure is part of life) and its nicely artistic with all sorts of call backs that people get.
Maybe I should consider its not the journalists I hate but the people who get all butthurt when journalists hit the nail square.
Yes, something people who don't work with contracts assume is that once something is signed its done. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most contracts don't make it until term unless both parties are content. Which is quite obviously not the case here.
That seems to be the rule at Michigan. 3 to 3 1/2 years to graduation. I realize football is a full time job, but with the proper degree track and access to tutors like these guys have, totally doable.
I'm assuming the idea is that you either find a spot in the 2 deep or graduate and go somewhere else without hurting the academic metrics. Not a bad way to start life with a UM degree in hand and no college debt.
I'm assuming the verbiage over starting to put a list together just now is just journalistic pablum given any competent administrator would have done all this long ago.
I dislike Manuel as much as most of us who know nothing about his job other than he tends to exhibit traits most of us have learned to associate with do-nothing administrator types.
Pretty amazing what that team has accomplished in 3 launches. 2 or so years sounds like Tesla "35k" electric car talk, but stretch goals motivate organizations for certain.
Those big plays offset some definite big plays the other way for him. He's a great backup and been a good soldier. Be nice to have him back.
God no, I hope they find someone else as a starter. He has a known floor he can give you in case none of the younger kids can get it together. It's a long season, even low ceiling-high floor guys can be important.
Maybe Harbaugh was willing to overlook whatever issue he had with Hart because he was Mike Fu**ing Hart, and Moore doesn't have the ex-Michigan football player/leader connection those two had.
They didn't learn anything. They just added another bureaucratic layer between themselves and anything that goes wrongs being blamed on them. When the next Stallions or Weiss happens they will first deflect the heat to new background checkers rather than take any responsibility at all.
Wait, so losing Jim Harbaugh and all the BS that went at the football program last year and basketball being a dumpster fire on and off the court don't count as crisis'? What does for a sports AD then?
Honestly, other than the legacy and the built-in fan base, colleges being part of the athletic landscape is non-sensical.
Sure. It is one bureaucracy replacing another, can't avoid that. But I'd rather have a bureaucracy that is looking out for the interests of the 2 big boy conferences rather than trying to make rules that also have to apply to Podunk State.
I'm a little surprised it hasn't happened yet. It seemed inevitable when there was 5 conferences in the major revenue sport. With just 2 it's when not if. Is the NIT a company with stock? Might be a buy.
Never heard of this, but it's seems to be spot on.
Do they have a "law" for those of us who assume everything in the media is a lie, because everything we have first hand knowledge of is a lie?
I mean, this is pretty much 95% of the population on 95% of issues.
Onwenu had every physical tool you could ask for to be a 15 year O-lineman. If he put in the work of course. It appears he did.
Now, Josh Mettelus is expected to be sitting behind a desk somewhere 15 minutes after he left Michigan. Holy crap I did not see that coming. At all.
This will die in committee, or be watered down to be meaningless. No way in hell this bunch of back slappers would penalize the very people who allow them to exist.
Well, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Howard could do exactly what Harbaugh did. Completely revamp the staff and culture, approach to recruiting, and his own attitude toward the program.
That's a huge lift for anyone, let alone people who have the egos head coaches have.
The NCAA tournament would have to be run by someone else. That should be understood if you are going to distribute that money to players. The NIT used to run this, they can again.
That also means the NCAA is going to find a different revenue source. Which will also likely change their focus and who calls the shots.
Title IX will be overcome. There is enough money to pay off the appropriate people, just as they do now.
Yep. 16 and 8 really do penalize the championship game participants unfairly.
Petitti wants more inventory, he doesn't see anything past that.
I like the idea of using the playoff money to compensate players from the conferences participating. One of the biggest issues I have with the pay-the-players crew is "which players". Football makes the money, how do we pay the people making the money, football players, and not softball or crew athletes who are already overcompensated, relatively.
This is the answer. Basketball can use their tournament too.
Texas 1996. 2005 Fla St, Va Tech 2008.
Does happen. Not sure it would happen when a first round bye is on the line.
I'd like it if the conferences just said that with tie-breakers and 16-18 teams they are going to value matchups that haven't happened already in the picks. Especially if it's the second team they are debating.
OSU is 12-0 and the only 1 loss team they hadn't played is Oregon. Set it up.
I think that could happen. I could also see those last 3 SEC teams all losing to take the shine off of doing it again too. Or conversely, they all win, proving they should be in.
I'd be fine with that scenario. Georgia, OSU, Fla St and Utah with byes. Michigan Texas Alabama and Oregon host Tulane, Notre Dame K-State and Clemson. I'd not be unhappy with that allocation nor slate of games at all.
Pretty rough sledding for the conference champ loser. They might get a home game, if they are 12-1 and Big 10/SEC.
Also so unlikely for someone to go 17-0 it's going to be a huge deal if it ever does.
My hope is Martindale can adjust a bit for the current bend-but-don't-break environment. High risk, high reward was the play when every play was designed to get 5-10 yards. Nowadays every play is designed to go to the house. Risk is too high, just keep it down to a chunk if you get got.
Amen brother. Hope they keep the rotation deep this year too. You get better st football by playing football.
And with a 12 team playoff we could easily lose 2 this year and still make it. Depending on the 2 and how we lose of course. No reason not to get the young guys time on the field.
Sabb hurts. He was going to be an important bit of the secondary this fall no doubt. Also can't blame the man for going somewhere else. He's starter material anywhere but here.
Edit: no idea where backfield came from in place of secondary. This isn't 1920, there are rules.
And Michigan has made it a point to make sure those who transfer usually have some sort of degree in hand.
We usually see a batch right after spring ball, like the above poster mentioned. I'm assuming it's kids who find themselves in a bad spot on the depth chart and are hoping for a new start somewhere else. I've always assumed the parting is somewhat mutual when that happens.
The good thing is, you can do that while young and move on to something entirely different later. Management, especially C-suite nowadays are not uncommon. And if you want to chill 10-20 years down the line and just work Per Diem or part time, Nursing is one of the few trades you can do that in.
I think it gives us a high floor. No RichRod year 1 crap. At worst we have a serviceable QB who gets us to 8 wins. Then we hope one of many options end up better than him.
I'm hoping the starter is already here. That speaks better to the recruiting evaluation system than having to find one in the portal every year.
I mean, might as well. I couldn't possibly form an opinion on these young guys with as little track record as they have. I'm going to stay positive just as I have been since Harbaugh arrived and assume every hire is good until Ohio State drops 62 on us again.