OT: How to Fix NFL (and College?) OT Rules

Submitted by WalterWhite_88 on January 24th, 2022 at 1:18 PM

I've always thought the NFL OT rules were ridiculous, considering it doesn't guarantee equal possessions for both teams, thus meaning that the team that wins the coin toss can score a TD and win, while the other team's offense never gets to touch the ball. Anyone have a good idea for resolving this problem? Or do you think that the NFL OT rule is perfect the way it is?

Here's my proposal (neg away):

First OT: Each team gets one possession, with a kickoff and everything, like a normal game.

Second OT: Then, if the game is still tied after the 1st OT: each team gets a possession, but the kickoffs occur at the team's own 10 yard line, giving the returning team much better field position to open the drive, and thus making for a shorter OT. Also, if a team scores a TD, then they are required to go for 2. (this keeps kickoff special teams as being an important part of the game, and the requirement to go for 2 increases the likelilhood that this "2nd" overtime doesn't end in a tie)

Third OT: If the game is still tied after the 2nd OT, then: College rules, where each team gets a possession starting at the 25 yard line, and must go for 2 after a TD. 

4th OT and every OT after that: If the game is still tied after 3 OT, then for each subsequent OT, each team gets a possession starting at the 10 yard line (1st and goal) and they must go for 2 if there is a TD. 

Advantages to my proposal:

- 1st and 2nd OTs preserve the importance of kickoffs

- Guarantee of equal possessions for both teams for each OT period

- With each OT period getting shorter, and forcing teams to go for 2 starting with the 2nd OT, this makes it less likely that a game drags on forever

- Having a team start with a 1st and goal from the 10 starting with the 4th OT seems less ridiculous, IMO, than the college rule of a "2 pt shootout" because each team would still have 4 downs to score. 

Disadvantages to my proposal:

- Increases length of OT (safety concerns)

- Starting with 3rd OT, kickoffs are removed

- There's always the chance of a really long game, like an LSU/Texas A&M 7 OT game (but I personally love those kinds of games!)

othernel

January 24th, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^

Love the college OT, infinitely better than NFL.

My only tweak, remove the recently added thing about each drive becomes a 2pt conversion, and instead, move the ball back 10 yards on each OT.

1st OT starts at 25, 2nd at 35, 3rd at 45...

Make them at least get a few yards in order to be in FG range.

jmblue

January 24th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^

Moving the ball back increases the chances that neither team will score, and thus the game will go on longer.  The objective should be to wrap games up relatively quickly.

I think it was fine to make teams go for two after scoring a TD on the second OT attempt, but that was enough of a change.  They should have stopped there.  Going to one-play possessions after that was too much.  

othernel

January 24th, 2022 at 1:58 PM ^

Seems like we disagree on this one.

I feel like OT goes way too long is both teams start in scoring position which makes them very risk averse, and one team will often just try to match the other team, especially if that team kicks a FG.

I feel like if you force a couple 3rd and longs by the 3rd OT, the odds are that it won't go much longer than that very often.

jmblue

January 24th, 2022 at 2:06 PM ^

Most OT games end by the time one team has to go for 2.  Before 2021, that was in the third OT.  Moving it up to the second OT was fine and should have been enough of a change.  

The objective here is to avoid having both teams get the same result, prolonging the overtime.  If you start at the 35 instead of the 25, you're now starting beyond easy FG range and the odds that neither team scores increase quite a bit.  If you move back further, you're not close to FG range and the odds of an empty session increase further.

TeslaRedVictorBlue

January 24th, 2022 at 2:24 PM ^

agree. though there were a few silly outliers lik UM vs. Illinois (from back when illinois was in the big 10), most of the OT games with the "start at the 25" perpetually ended within 1-2. Plus, it was exciting and less gimmicky. And 25 yards is right around the fringe of "likely" for a FG in CFB, so nothing was guaranteed.

Going so quickly to a 1 play drive from the 2 yard line is bizarro and create chaos, unless you're penn state and cant score from the 2 on 8 straight posessions.

I was good the way prior - 2 shots "regular" chances, then force going for 2 if you score

stephenrjking

January 24th, 2022 at 1:40 PM ^

I used to love the college OT, one of my favorite tiebreaking systems. Then they changed it to the gimmick system they have now with only 2-point conversion attempts. The PSU-Illinois game was indeed entertaining, but it was not a fair way to decide a football game. 

And the issue with the imbalance toward the team who possesses the ball second is real. It's a huge advantage to know if you need to use four downs or not. 

J. Redux

January 24th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^

Agreed, although to me it was hilarious that Illinois kept electing defense after the 2nd overtime (when it was their turn to pick first, I mean). PSU would then select the end of the field with the student section.

Illinois should have selected the end of the field they wanted instead.  There's no particular advantage to going on defense first when it's just two point conversions. What, are they selecting from their "really good" 2-point plays and their "so-so" plays?

Buy Bushwood

January 24th, 2022 at 2:20 PM ^

The college rules are equally horrible. They take out many aspects of the game and focus exclusively on the red-zone interaction.  This is a tremendous disadvantage to some excellent teams who emphasize things like k/p returns, field position, etc.  It also makes it disadvantageous for teams with deep threats around which they set up much of their office, i.e. teams that often score on big plays, the fear of which allows them to set up other offensive pieces.  I for one felt a strange relief this year when OSU got into the red zone, knowing they essentially couldn't beat us deep any longer, and felt that our game matched up favorably should we have gotten to OT.  Frankly, that wasn't fair to negate their deep passing attack through the OT rules.  

Personally, IMO, in any timed sport, a tie should be a tie. They played within the rules and finished with the same score.  They were equal.  Understanding that playoffs must create a winner, they should play two additional shortened halves- so that punting remains a part of the game, perhaps 10-min halves- but halves are needed so that teams have maximum opportunity for equal possessions.  In short, they should strive to keep as many dimensions of play in the actual game active in the OT framework, involving the whole field, normal play, with an attempt at equal possessions.  

slaunius

January 24th, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^

I think the main disadvantage of this proposal is that no one is going to like a system where the rules are constantly changing as you progress through OTs.

That said, I would be fine with your 1st/2nd plan, and then just stick with the 2nd OT rules ad infinitum.

The Homie J

January 24th, 2022 at 3:52 PM ^

Seriously, is CFB and the NFL the only sports where the OT is a completely different game than the actual game?  Hockey eventually has a shootout, but not before a regular period of play.  Baseball simply extends innings.  Basketball and soccer are just extended/additional periods.  That's not to mention that football might be the only sport with vastly different OT interpretations depending on which level of the sport you're looking at.

Why is it so hard just to play football for an additional 10 minutes?  If player safety was actually that big a concern, the NFL wouldn't be playing 17 games a season (don't get me started on why high school and FCS schools can play more games (via playoff) but the FBS is scared of one or more games played by athletes at the highest amateur level of the sport

ZooWolverine

January 24th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^

That's more fair than the current system, but still strongly disadvantages the team that loses the coin toss. The first team to get the ball wins if they score and stop the opposing team. The second team has to stop the opposing team, score, and then stop them again.

Which is more fair than the current system, but it also comes with the potential to draw out the game significantly (if teams alternate scores), and therefore I think it would be unlikely to be adopted.

At a certain level, I think all football OT systems aren't great because the leagues rightfully prioritize not letting the game get too long, which is far more important in football than, say, baseball. I think a potential solution is that the regular season stays the way it is now, and the playoffs use a more fair but potentially longer system.

Quail2theVict0r

January 24th, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^

One interesting suggestion I heard that would help both college and the NFL -- have the initial coin flip determine the OT possession, even if not needed. So a team would be going into the end of the game knowing if they got the ball or not first in OT. 

uncle leo

January 24th, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^

I cannot stand the NFL system. Both teams should get an opportunity, period. And they should just bring that over to college and add the tie into the equation. Ties are such an incredible rarity.

mGrowOld

January 24th, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^

College WAS fine until they "fixed it" this year by making the third OT and beyond a battle of two point conversions.  Way better IMO the way it was before.

Pro is easy IMO.  Play one quarter with "normal" rules in place.  Give each team two time outs and play the quarter as you would any other.  If, at the end of that quarter the score remains tied THEN move to the current system.  If they just added a 5th quarter of normal football before going to the new rules nobody would have a beef.

Any other problems I can solve today?  I was thinking of working on the Ukraine or maybe the stock market next.

drjaws

January 24th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^

Start with Ukraine. I think they're going to need any help they can get. Russia seems set on taking over that country, my military coup or political coup (or some combination of both).

I haven't seen any recent polls but there seem to be a statistically significant piece of the Ukraine population that would actually favor Russian leadership. Stock market is just fine (according to my portfolio).

stephenrjking

January 24th, 2022 at 1:42 PM ^

I think it's wise to have OT "restart" the game, so that there is time pressure to win in regulation. But then I kind of agree here. One whole quarter. It's not as exciting as sudden death, but it seems like a fairer system. I'd be interested in experimenting with just maintaining the game state at the end of that period if it is still tied--that is, not going to a fresh kickoff, just sudden death as soon as the fifth period expires. 

Sambojangles

January 24th, 2022 at 5:17 PM ^

I propose another tweak to your OT restart: extend the period between end of regulation and OT to the length of halftime, and let teams go back into the locker room as they do at halftime. If the players are going to be playing a full extra quarter+ after a full 60 minute football game, they should get a breather. It would mitigate some of the safety concerns which lead to attempts to end the game as quickly as possible.

I don't think it would ever happen. TV hates when the game doesn't end on time and ends up going into the following programming, some time it conflicts with the start of a later game, etc. And a long break kind of pops the tension bubble of a close finish. Not to mention, fans are now sitting in the stands for an even longer time. But from a football perspective I think that the intermission is important to help the quality of play in overtime.

maizenblue92

January 24th, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^

The rules for OT are fine. The game is played for 60 minutes to determine who it better. OT is about breaking ties. Buffalo had a chance to get a stop with 13 seconds. They didn't. Then they had a chance to stop a TD drive. They didn't. That is why they lost, not OT rules. Keep OT as short as possible.

drjaws

January 24th, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^

Hockey has the best playoff OT ever. Play till you score.

I don't like the "well, both teams didn't get a chance to be on offense" argument because defense is a part of the game. Force a punt. That's your job.

I honestly think it should be a 15 minute extra quarter and whoever is on top after the fifth quarter is played wins. If no one is winning, go to quarter 6, 7 etc.

 

I am OK with NCAA football OT rules but I wouldn't want to see that in the NFL

J. Redux

January 24th, 2022 at 2:12 PM ^

Yes, but this only works because so few possessions end in a score in hockey. You couldn't play, e.g, basketball the same way; that'd be crazy.

I agree with your proposal -- just keep adding quarters. They can shorten them -- I think 10 minutes would be fine -- but, yeah, keep playing football (just like they do for basketball, for that matter).

Team 101

January 24th, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^

I think the sudden death overtime is more exciting than the college back and forth.  Granted Buffalo lost because they called tails.  Perhaps the solution is that the teams should play better defense.

ShadowStorm33

January 24th, 2022 at 1:59 PM ^

While I see your point, there's still the issue of an imbalance in favor of the team that wins the coin toss. And that imbalance is more pronounced in higher scoring games (e.g. Bills-Chiefs), as opposed to lower scoring ones (the SF-GB and Cinci-Tenn games nearly went to OT tied 10-10 and 16-16).

At the extreme end of the spectrum, what about a game where neither team gets a stop? Is it still fair to say the losing team should have gotten a stop when the winning team didn't either?

1VaBlue1

January 24th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^

They lost because they called tails.  Both teams had as many scores and stops as the other in regulation.  In OT, Buffalo never got a chance to score as much as KC, nor did KC's defense have to stop Buffalo as often as the Bills had to stop KC.

The game finished in a tie, from that point it's only a matter of breaking the tie.  Both offenses and both defenses should have a chance to prove their worth.  The NFL denies that and takes the game out of half the players hands on both teams for a coin toss.

The NFL's OT rules suck.  Always have...

Maynard

January 24th, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^

The NFL needs to just do the college rules. They are fair and preserve the drama. Get rid of the stupid alternating 2 point conversion thing though. Kickoffs are a waste of time.

WindyCityBlue

January 24th, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^

I can't remember who recommended what I'm about to say, but the following format is a bit "out there", but I kinda like it.

1. Coin toss to determine who gets the ball first.

2. For the team who gets the ball first, start at the 50 yard line.

3. No punts.  You continue down the field gaining first downs without punting.  Meaning you have to go for it on 4th down 

4. If you can't convert on downs, goes to the other team and has to follow the rules above

5. First team to score a TD wins.

 

tee wrecks

January 24th, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^

Think about how your proposed system plays out in yesterday's game.  It is exactly what happened yesterday, except that your system would have given KC an additional advantage by putting them at midfield to start.  All of today's complaining is how the coin flip winner is given a nearly insurmountable advantage when you have two great offenses playing each other.  Your system does that even more by giving the coin flip winner less distance to cover to get a TD.

No one is worried about "penaliz[ing] the team who wins the coin toss" by having them start at the 25+/-.  That is what is already happening (assuming a touchback or average kick return).  People are complaining that the coin flip winner already has too much of an advantage even starting in their own end and your proposed solution makes that dramatically worse by putting them at midfield.

WindyCityBlue

January 24th, 2022 at 3:37 PM ^

Using yesterday's game as an example is almost irrelevant.  In a separate, but completely plausible universe, the Bills kick it off and KC goes 4 and out (remember, no punts) and puts the Bills in an advantageous position.  This is why starting at the 50 works well.  The team who wins the toss, gets to initiate progress into their opponent territory which seems fair for the team who wins the toss.

tee wrecks

January 24th, 2022 at 4:17 PM ^

Of the last five drives of the game, the only one that didn't end in a TD was the KC possession at the end of regulation that started with 13 seconds on the clock, in which they still managed to move 44 yards in those 13 seconds to set up the field goal they needed to force overtime.  

So, while there may be a plausible universe in which KC takes the overtime kickoff and goes four and out, the much more likely universe is the one in which whoever got the OT kickoff would march down and score a touchdown without the other team ever having a chance to go on offense.  That is exactly what happened and what folks seem to have a problem with.  The OP's specific concern--and the general tone of the complaints as a whole--was was that "the team that wins the coin toss can score a TD and win, while the other teams offense never gets to touch the ball."  Your solution to that problem is to let the coin toss winner start at midfield (rather than in their own end, where they might expect to be after a touchback or kickoff return under the current OT rules)?  You may have a different set of concerns in mind, but that seems to miss the general outcry from yesterday's game, and the specific concern of the OP, entirely.

darkstar

January 24th, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^

The NFL OT rules are perfect for the NFL as they seem designed to get the most people talking about how stupid the NFL rules are. Since when did the NFL give two $hits about doing the right thing or the thing that makes the most sense?

Brian Griese

January 24th, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^

NFL is easy.  Regular season, leave as is.  Playoffs: play a full 20 minute game (or 16 if you think 20 is too long).  2 10 minute halves.  Change possession at the half, two minute warning for both halves and each team gets two timeouts per half. 

There is no reason for the playoffs why they cannot do this.  Soccer gets in right when it comes to OT.  So does basketball.  Just play a normal game for a shortened period of time.