February 19th, 2022 at 7:38 AM ^
I would sure like Moore. But he is one guy. A really good guy for sure.
February 19th, 2022 at 12:00 PM ^
He’s a 5-star QB from Detroit. You do not want to lose out on that recruit. He is one of the highest rated guys to come out of the state in a long time. Losing out on him would be a problem, considering the QB makes a team. Trying to downplay him bc he’s a coke my passer is dumb when recruiting services have stopped dividing the two types of QBs bc of what I said above—all QBs in today’s game require high levels of mobility. There are no elite statues with golden arms.
February 19th, 2022 at 12:00 PM ^
He’s a 5-star QB from Detroit. You do not want to lose out on that recruit. He is one of the highest rated guys to come out of the state in a long time. Losing out on him would be a problem, considering the QB makes a team. Trying to downplay him bc he’s a coke my passer is dumb when recruiting services have stopped dividing the two types of QBs bc of what I said above—all QBs in today’s game require high levels of mobility. There are no elite statues with golden arms.
February 19th, 2022 at 2:49 PM ^
You can say that twice.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:55 AM ^
Haskins was hardly known as a running QB. And we crushed them this year with a pocket guy.
How anyone cannot want Moore is beyond me.
February 19th, 2022 at 12:07 AM ^
Harbaugh will have a sleepover and make french toast in the morning for Dante!
February 19th, 2022 at 6:19 AM ^
I could be wrong, but I think kids these days prefer a homemade waffle out of a waffle iron over french toast. I, on the other hand, prefer french toast.
February 19th, 2022 at 10:35 AM ^
He is going to be serving Dante Moore Beef Stew.
February 19th, 2022 at 12:14 AM ^
If we don't get dante moore then devin gardner is excommunicated from UofM
February 19th, 2022 at 12:23 AM ^
Semi related, how good is Carr supposed to be? Did I read that he was looking really good in some camps recently?
February 19th, 2022 at 1:06 AM ^
Very good, but don't think anyone sees him on Moore's level yet.
Moore is currently rated higher than McCarthy ever was during JJs entire recruitment.
February 19th, 2022 at 12:23 AM ^
There’s word we are 4th for him right now.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^
And that word is...fuck
February 19th, 2022 at 1:03 AM ^
Arch Manning to Michigan. Confirmed.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:09 AM ^
Probably 99% of people on here don't know how badly ND wants him
But this is just one person at On3.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:45 AM ^
Michigan should want him more (no pun intended).
It makes no sense why we wouldn't go all out for Moore. He's in-state (which matters), the perfect QB for our current system, and an ELITE prospect after a year of taking a couple of flyers on a kid who is a project and may wind up at LB and another one who is a project even if he stays at QB.
You get Moore in this class, you take Carr in the next one, it's not difficult.
If you want to transition to more of a Ravens style attack...I wouldn't love it, but that's fine, bring in a Denard along WITH Moore and/or Carr.
A Denard type isn't going to be some 5* kid...so bring him in and if he winds up being our Lamar Jackson. Moore and/or Carr can hit the portal.
But be clear Lamar Jackson can throw better left handed than Denard ever could with his right. There's levels. Both were dynamic runners...but Lamar could and still can sling it. He threw for over 3,500...TWICE.
Name the last Michigan QB to throw for over 3,500 in a season.
February 19th, 2022 at 7:47 AM ^
Let’s be fair here. When you’re comparing college passing stats, you have to take a few other things like scheme and passing attempts into account.
When Lamar threw for 3500, he did so with over 400 attempts both times. When was the last time we had a QB do that?
For reference, Cade had 327 in 14 games (Lamar played 13). Shea hit 3,000 yards in 2019 with 381 attempts. Only had 325 in 2018. Speight had 331 attempts in 2016. Rudock was a 3,000 yard passer in 2015 with 389 attempts. Denard never even hit 300 in the same season. Now that’s before getting into the fact that Michigan has featured a much more conservative passing attack over the years when it comes to route combinations.
You compared him to Denard. Denard’s sophomore year. He attempted 291 passes (highest of his career), completed them at a 62.5% clip (Lamar’s career high was 59.1%). In his best season, Lamar Jackson attempted 430 passes. Giving Denard the same number of attempts at his 8.8ypa clip, Denard would have had 3,784 yards passing, to Lamar’s 3,660.
You can’t just look at passing yards when you’re comparing two players. There’s a lot more that goes into that and you have to add context. If you think Jackson is a better QB, that’s fine. But using passing yards as your reasoning without context is a pretty weak basis for that argument.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:04 AM ^
Thank you for the numbers. I HATE it when idiots say Denard wasn't a QB, but was 'just' a RB playing QB. In Rich Rod's offense, that guy was a dynamic QB. Unfortunately, it was RR's offense that also held him back against better teams becuase he was such a one-note play caller. But the guy that ended any chance DRob had at playing QB in the NFL was Brady Hoke. Brady began his slow-motion conversion from RR's spread to a more old-time NFL drop back attack when Denard was still the QB (2012). Hoke continued that sham by utterly destroying the dynamism that used to be Devin Gardner.
I like Brady Hoke, he was in over his head here but is still a decent coach and a really good person. But he destroyed two QB's at Michigan and only gets credit for one of them.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^
Stop it. Denard is GOATed at Michigan, no question, but Lamar won a Hesiman.
Lamar was the youngest NFL MVP ever.
Lamar not only threw for 3,500 twice. He's thrown for almost 10,000 yards in 3.5 years of being an NFL starting QB.
He also rushed for 1,500 and 1,600 yards in college with 39 TDs in those 2 years.
I wasn't cherry picking stats...look at all of the stats. I was using yards to prove that he's a better thrower than Denard, which is fine.
My point stands. You can bring in a Denard Robinson with Dante Moore or CJ Carr. And if he turns into an all-time great QB you want to build your system around...fine. If he doesn't, you still have the "surer" bets in Moore and Carr.
A quiet desire create the Ravens of college football shouldn't impact the recruitment of the second highest rated QB Michigan would have in the history of recruiting rankings.
(Sidenote, I'm NOT saying it's you...but if we ever did transition to a Ravens attack, anyone calling for that now better not say a damn word about not passing the ball - winning games with a young offense, coming off a 2-4 season, a GREAT RB room, and the majority of the board still whining about throwing the ball, SMH.)
February 19th, 2022 at 9:48 AM ^
I wasn't cherry picking stats...look at all of the stats. I was using yards to prove that he's a better thrower than Denard, which is fine.
But you literally DID cherry pick the stats. Except the stats you chose LITERALLY show he wasn’t a better thrower than Denard. It showed he threw the ball more OFTEN than Denard. That’s not the same thing. Denard had a higher completion percentage and more yards per attempt. Jackson simply threw the ball 140 more times. Giving him a higher yardage total. More yards because you threw more often doesn’t make you a better thrower.
Like I said, if you want to say Jackson is a better QB, that’s fine. I’m not interested in debating that either way. But saying he’s better BECAUSE he threw for 3,500 yards and no Michigan QB has done that is an incredibly small-brained argument. Especially when the numbers don’t actually back that up. Context is important, and you completely missed the mark there.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:52 AM ^
Yeah, that's the hard reality that many M fans don't see. I mean, they want a high flying offense like McNamara had in high school. And think it's going to happen just because you have QBs that can do it.
Youre right, Michigan is not known as a QB school. It's hard to get 5 Star QBs here. When QBs like McNamara and JJ get to M, there still is an emphasis on the run game. Maybe Moore doesn't see himself fitting in that. I wish there was something like the offenses of Joe Burrow and Mac Jones here. But I have zero expectation it will happen.
To be honest, I don't think Dante Moore goes with Michigan. CJ Carr on the other hand, it looks like M is a fit for him. He has good pocket awareness. He reminds me of Brett Favre in the regard of how he senses a pass rush, then which way to turn to get away from it, and where to move to to be able to get a pass off. He is not accurate. But his throws are where only the WR can get them. He's just a sophomore. So I am sure his accuracy will get better.
February 19th, 2022 at 7:01 PM ^
Yes, it is impossible for a fan from a Midwest Blue blood to understand how badly another Midwest blue blood wants a top 6 player who happens to be from the midwest.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:38 AM ^
His recruitment will be a roller coaster ride over the next six months. In the end, I think he stays home and goes Blue.
In other news, Lunardi’s new bracketology has Michigan as one of the last four in. A few weeks ago I thought UM would have to win the Conference tournament to make it.
February 19th, 2022 at 4:50 AM ^
I never give credence to recruiring insiders' predictions.
February 19th, 2022 at 8:14 AM ^
February 19th, 2022 at 8:41 AM ^
But, I hate dem kidnappers.
February 19th, 2022 at 10:09 AM ^
I never give Credence Clearwater Revival enough credit. Good band. But who are we kidding. It was all John Fogerty.
February 19th, 2022 at 7:04 AM ^
Just don’t lose him to MSU.
OSU is going to be fine at the QB position with or without this kid, and as much as I don’t want to lose him to ND, they’re not on our schedule so it wouldn’t impact Michigan quite as much.
But Moore going to MSU would be potentially crippling for Michigan. It would give Tucker an absolute game-changer at the position. He’d probably be MSU’s biggest recruit in program history and, if he’s as good as his ranking, would elevate MSU well beyond where they are now. And where they are now ain’t too shabby.
February 19th, 2022 at 7:57 AM ^
So essentially: “If everything plays out the way I think it will over the next several months in this hotly contested recruiting battle where anything can happen he will definitely probably go to Notre Dame, unless he doesn’t because hey it’s recruiting.”
February 19th, 2022 at 8:03 AM ^
Sam Webb has been saying for 2-3 weeks that ND is a serious contender for Moore, but he’s also emphasized that Michigan will be going extremely hard after him until he makes a decision.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:26 AM ^
Going hard after him isn't the news we want. We want him interested in us. I'm going after the hot cheerleader, but that doesn't make it likely
February 19th, 2022 at 12:00 PM ^
He’s a 5 star QB. You’re going to have to go hard after him whether he’s interested or not.
February 19th, 2022 at 1:35 PM ^
Yes. But us going hard after a Michigan 5 star quarterback isn't news. Him being really interested is.
February 19th, 2022 at 10:45 AM ^
The problem we're running into right now is that ND is the "hot" recruiting school right now. Take a look at their 2023 class. It has 9 commits with a 247 Composite rating of a mind-boggling average / player of 94.85 which is usually good (with a decent number of recruits) for the number #1 class. ND needs to lose a few games in 2022 to slow them down as it seems we go head-to-head with them on a number of recruits
February 19th, 2022 at 8:48 AM ^
I don't predict anything except it feels like there's no chance he comes to Michigan. Just feels that way. Every bit of news points that way
February 19th, 2022 at 9:17 AM ^
The same thing was said about Donavan Edward's repeatedly last year. There is so much time left.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^
Yup. And others. Just saying it doesn't feel likely. If JJ is a Heisman candidate I think we change trajectories in terms of QB recruiting. But right now... No slam dunk
February 19th, 2022 at 10:01 AM ^
At Michigan, Blake Corum is more likely to be a Heisman candidate this year than the QB.
I have no anticipation for Moore choosing Michigan.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:57 AM ^
I've got the same feeling Tesla. I think Michigan is too run heavy for him. He's used to being the straw that stirs the drink.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:18 AM ^
February 19th, 2022 at 9:57 AM ^
Getting elite QBs in back to back classes is a very hard thing to do. The schools that are able to do it are typically the ones who are in the CFP every year and put up Heisman level QB stats en route to being top draft picks.
You aren’t going to get a string of top 50 QBs in back to back to back classes when your starting QB throws for 2500 yards and 15 TDs in a 14 game season. That’s just the reality.
February 19th, 2022 at 11:56 AM ^
The problem ALL schools - not just Michigan - will be running into is that the Portal and new transfer rules - one time transfer with immediate playing time - almost makes it impossible anymore with stacking high 4 and 5-star QBs on the roster anymore.
Was reading that OSU might look at the portal for a 2023 QB (for depth) because even after Stroud leaves for the NFL next year (as expected), they'll still have 5-star McCord and High 4 Brown coming back. Moore is not going to OSU - period. I don't think any other highly rated 2023 QBs are interested in them.
ND - on the other hand - is really appealing to a 5-star 2023 QB with all of the tools to make an immediate impact. Take a look at their projected 2023 QB depth. Their roster is really inviting to Moore. But on the bright side, if we lose out on Moore to ND, we have a good shot at Carr. Recruiting is just a different beast today
February 19th, 2022 at 2:45 PM ^
If it’s all Tommy Rees, show the kid the film of Tommy against Michigan.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:29 AM ^
Trying to create a narrative. Or maybe just clickbait. He has no idea what is going to happen.
February 19th, 2022 at 9:30 AM ^
5 days ago Chad Simmons from On3 wrote an article about Dante Moore’s connection to Brian Kelly and LSU’s role in his recruitment. Just recruiting “news” to spur clicks.
Moore’s recruitment will be a battle amongst heavyweights, just like nearly all 5-stars.
February 19th, 2022 at 10:23 AM ^
Unfortunately, as you can guess based on Devin Gardner's Cadehate, I bet Dante is looking for that early playing time and a fast track to the NFL. That's why Devin wanted J.J. to take over prematurely last year. I think I'd rather get Carr if it's an either or.
February 19th, 2022 at 2:49 PM ^
Pretty rich for Gardner to diss Cade at all, especially after winning the Big Ten title.
February 19th, 2022 at 7:04 PM ^
Yeah, it was just strange, even though Devin was spot on in his critiques, he and Sam never seemed to consider that Cade would improve, and most importantly the team would improve around him because of his leadership; it was always just "time for more JJ".
February 21st, 2022 at 9:08 AM ^
Devin showed you the film game after game-the plays, huge plays, that were left on the field...his assessments had nothing to do with hate-any such insinuation is just plain silly.
I believe that, at this point in time, Cade deserves the opportunity to step up his game and continue as next year's starter. However, I also believe that JJ deserves that Cade be on a very short leash. If Cade does not come out and light up the field-from the beginning, next year, JJ then deserves the full opportunity Cade received last year. Because here, anyone who does not appreciate the stunning physical talent JJ brings to this table...well, I'm not sure what to say about that.
I am a fan of both of these young men. They are fantastic talents-each in their own right. I really hope both of them stay and that the staff figures out how to best employ them to the betterment of the team.
Moore and Carr will likely both be able to win at the highest level of college play.
February 19th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^
Im confident winning will bring in top talent. Moore will be a whole saga until he puts a hat on, but missing on a top instate recruit is huge. Seal the deal in the next couple of months.
The 23 class will be interesting. We still have our top recruiters plus Elston, and we are coming off a championship year. We should land a top 5 class…and compete for another big ten title.
also please hire Denard!