Did we really need a new offensive scheme?

Probably not.  The irony is we junked the offense we'd spent four years building for based on a game where we scored 39 points.

But the defense allowed 62 so therefore time for a shiny new offense capable of scoring 63 i would guess.

Bet you anything Harbaugh regrets the entire "speed in space" experiment right now about as much as the Browns HC Freddie Kitchens regrets calling a fucking draw play on a 4th and 9 late in the game last night

As another poster just pointed out, Michigan has been 1-8 in games in which the opponent scored 30+ points.  The team has leaned heavily on the defense to dominate games. Our offense either needed a better scheme, better players or both.

Yes we did but we fucked it up

No, we just needed some tweaks and help in the passing game.

"Wisconsin has no problem winning." Did I miss the part where they are some program to emulate and look up to? It was one game.

I agree with the idea that maybe this was a drastic approach. I wish the coaching staff was cognizant enough to spread the ball to our talented wideouts but also pound the ball up the middle if we need to. The interior run game was strong last year, and has been in the past and I don't care if it is boring - the point is to win the game. But I also understand the need to be able to go spread as needed.

Still, if we were elite at power football, we could still beat teams like OSU or other ranked teams. It doesn't have to be spread or nothing. Overall, the concepts, coaching and execution need to work together and they don't.

We needed to keep to keep Jedd Fisch and the Jedd Fisch offense.  Go back at watch some highlights from 2015/2016.  Fullback traps, followed by zone read, followed by double fake screen pass to Hill up the middle, followed by end around.  It was glorious!  Picking Tim Drevno over Jedd Fisch is the biggest mistake Harbaugh has made since he's been here.

We didn't need to junk it and start over. We could have added a hurry up and fix the passing game with better routes and that probably would have been perfect.

That doesn't mean junking it and starting with something new had to equal disaster. This could have gone much better. It didn't.

We did not have the coaches already in house to fix it last year. Right now it does not look like we have coaches in house to fix it.

Ask me again in a month.

So we have, “lineman built for a pro-style approach”, but we can’t push anybody off the ball?

I wonder why this is a question?  Because of the loss?  Michigan was playing 80's style offense for the last couple of years and yes you can dominate lesser teams, but they fell short on teams with the same or more talent.  Something had to be changed and Harbaugh saw that and changed it.    

I just wish that the football gods would side with Michigan again before I die.  It isn't too much to ask for.    

We have needed a great QB since Harbaugh has been here.  His best one has been Rudock (or pre Iowa Speight?).  Everyone, including me, thought Patterson was finally the answer.  I don't think he is.  No matter what offense you run, without a dynamic QB, it's gonna be a struggle.

I don't know about Jeff Fischer, but take it from me, I know you don't want Jeff Fisher. 

Do we even have a new scheme?  This is the least new looking new scheme that I have ever seen.  The only thing that we added to the offense this year are fumbles.

We've got a quarterback who's locked into one of our more pedestrian passing options and won't drop back for more than two seconds. Our offensive line is unable to impose themselves against anyone who matters. For all of our recruiting stars and "future NFL players," there's a distinct lack of big play making ability. Hardly anyone is winning individual battles out there. Where we stand still before the snap is not among our biggest problems. This collection of players is not good enough to play at the level this fan base wants. 

On reflection, I’d have to say it may have needed at least tweaking, because it wasn’t an explosive offense against the best teams. It was difficult to win if they fell behind.

One glaring problem that’s getting overlooked here is that for the last 5 games the defense hasn’t been stopping anyone with a pulse. Teams are moving right down the field and they don’t need an OSU type offense to do it. 

Saturday was a complete collapse, offensively and defensively. Very disheartening, and the poor level of play has the team dispirited, too.

I’d say right now the team and the coaches don’t know whether to shit or go blind.

"We had an old Mustang that needed repairs and we traded it for a new Honda Civic."

Sounds like a pretty good trade to be honest.

Yeah, I love the 180 most people have pulled here...  We had this much posting BS last year because the offense stunk it up versus OSU and UF.  Everybody - EVERYBODY - wanted a better passing game that used the weapons it had all over the field.  Nobody was calling for a fancy new spread, per se, but we all wanted Pep (the passing game coord) gone because the passing game sucked ass.

Gattis is here to implement a power spread similar to what PSU and Alabama run.  It hasn't worked out, yet.  And I'm not sure if it will because it clearly has Harbaugh's fingerprints all over it (no slot rcvr's, multiple TE's, Mason out of nowhere).  It needs to be turned over to Warinner and Gattis (run/pass) - they are the ones with the experience running a successful power spread.

Personally, I don't think we needed a spread.  But we ALL agree that last years passing game was broken in every aspect.  Unfortunately, we're still seeing those same problems.

Jedd Fisch was awesome and we won that game against OSU without the first down that the refs donated to OSU.  That style of offense was pretty freaking cool, IMO and I wish we had it back.  Even the offense we ran last year was better than this garbage and I'd be happy with either. I never liked the Gattis hire and the transition to being a pure spread team.