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Brian June 22nd, 2021 at 12:40 PM

More Alston takes. This is not a sponsor note, but Richard Hoeg is a law-talking guy with an hour long podcast episode on the NCAA's "slow-motion suicide":

At the Ringer, Rodger Sherman:

Time and time again, the NCAA refuses to budge, even as its position becomes more untenable. They fought NIL to the bitter end, determined to keep athletes from receiving outside money even after it became clear that the NCAA’s side would lose. They fought in the Supreme Court to keep athletes from getting money for academic purchases, even though their argument was clearly legally doomed. The NCAA’s board of governors recently gave president Mark Emmert—a man who has dug in deep to keep the NCAA’s model alive, while also making a lot of other mistakesa contract extension until 2025. (Like the Supreme Court’s decision, the choice to extend Emmert was also unanimous.) The NCAA remains fatalistically committed to its dying business model. They will happily drown, dragged to the bottom of the ocean with the last pennies they took from this system, rather than share a lifeboat with the athletes who play the games.

At CBS Sports, Matt Norlander:

The decision itself is not surprising. After the appeal for this case was heard in March, the questions and tones of the justices toward NCAA legal counsel indicated an anti-NCAA approach. The belief among the legal experts CBS Sports spoke with was that a 6-3 or perhaps even 7-2 decision in favor of Alston was most likely.

Instead, the NCAA got swept.

[After THE JUMP: Devante Jones floater time]

Devante Jones at the G-League camp. Reports out of it indicate he's doing well, hitting ludicrous floaters and drawing a lot of attention. Highlights:

Jonathan Givony praised his "great defense". Sam Vecenie said he was "awesome" but didn't list him amongst his top contributors at the event because he doesn't know if "15 foot floaters are that sustainable in NBA":

DeVante Jones’ close to the game was incredible. Just totally took over late. IDK if any of the wrong footed 15-foot floater stuff translates, but he was good.

Jones playing well against near-NBA competition level and still getting an indication he should go back to school is Michigan's best-case scenario. Jones pursuing pro options—something he's said he would prefer over Michigan if the NBA is interested enough—would be their worst-case scenario.

Here are Jones and Chaundee Brown in the aftermath of their win:

Once and future transfers.

Meanwhile, yeah! Do it, and by do it I mean don't do it. CBS lists Hunter Dickinson as one of four guys who should take another year in college:

It's a tired truth to most basketball fans by now that centers in the modern NBA need to be able to hoist 3-pointers and defend the pick-and-roll. Dickinson is no exception. He attempted only four 3-pointers this past season -- missing them all -- and will need to improve his lateral quickness and rough assist-to-turnover ratio before he's NBA ready. With the development of an outside shot and improvement of his off-hand around the rim, Dickinson can make himself valuable enough offensively to play through whatever defensive limitations may linger. But until those improvements happen, he'd be better playing for an elite college program than scrapping for playing time at the professional level. -- David Cobb

A return still seems like the most likely outcome here but I'm a little nervous.

Ouch. Michigan's AD projects a 62 million dollar budget deficit this year:

"You will see from our projections last year, we thought we would have about 50% (attendance)," Manuel said during Thursday's meeting. "Boy, was I wrong. ... It turned out to be zero. So that deficit, which was projected to be $26 million, we had actually said we thought it would be somewhere around $80 million, and through the hard work of everyone, we are presenting a $62.9 million deficit this year."

Hockey aside. Chris Heisenberg brings up a potential side effect of NCAA amateurism going by the wayside:

The NCAA currently makes CHL players ineligible via some convoluted reasoning (you could play with signed players so the CHL is a professional league). The hockey community has fought to protect that even when the NCAA softened its rules about overseas players in other sports. It is possible that there's going to be a lawsuit in the future from a hockey player who played CHL and wants to play college, and that person will win, and then things might get weird.

Desmond auditions. Via Dr. Sap:

Anyone want to throw a shoe? Watch Bengals games this fall maybe:

If Nico Collins gets 100 targets and Chris Evans eats up wheel routes I'm going to click on basketball recruiting content even harder.

Final rankings. Scott Wheeler released his final NHL draft rankings, which has the usual set of Michigan players in the top ten but also gets down to #100. We've seen the scouting on Owen Power (Wheeler's #1 prospect), Kent Johnson (#2), Matt Beniers (#4), and Luke Hughes(#7), but Michigan has a couple other fringe first-round prospects in this class who are a little less familiar. Dylan Duke (#32) in particular sounds like exactly the kind of guy Michigan can use:

Duke’s a stocky player with a nose for the net who plays bigger than his size, stays on top of pucks when he’s being leaned on, and always seems to be open. There are mixed opinions on how his game will translate, though. I’ve had at least one source say they prefer Duke to Pastujov, and another say they wouldn’t take Duke in the draft’s first two rounds due to worries about his average footspeed. I’m a big believer, though. He plays an impressive 200-foot game, he’s tenacious, he loves to drive the crease and make plays into bodies, he regularly outmuscles bigger opponents, and he’s got quick hands and a wrist shot that can cleanly beat goalies from mid-range. He’s not going to be a one-and-done, or even two-and-done player in college (especially with the depth the Wolverines have, which may mean it takes him some time to get opportunities atop the lineup), but I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes one of the NCAA’s top forwards as an upperclassman. If he can improve upon his acceleration, that’ll go a long way.

Chicago Steel F Mackie Samoskevich comes in at #27:

His ability with the puck and the speed with which he’s able to execute both rank among the very best in this draft. His feet and hands can both keep up with one another, turning defenders on their heels (and sometimes inside out). There’s a genius to his game that allows him to see plays through layers that others don’t, and then he’s got the finesse needed to feather saucer passes off of his forehand and backhand and execute them. I love the way he moves inside the offensive zone and the high tempo he plays with. And while he’s not a big player, I wouldn’t categorize him as small or weak, with decent strength through the base of his stride that allows him to keep sequences alive.

Forward Tyler Haskins makes Wheeler's honorable mention list, which places him in the 100-170 range and suggests he'll get drafted in the mid to late rounds.

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Fantilli update. Adam Fantilli finished his first season with the Steel, winning the USHL's playoff MVP award, and now considers his future:

"I want to advance my game in every way possible," he said. "And Chicago is the best spot in the world for me to do that right now." …

In the interest of due diligence, the Toronto native has made a couple of campus visits already, checking out the University of Michigan and the University of North Dakota. Older brother Luca Fantilli, who played defense for the Steel this year, is committed to the Wolverines himself, but Adam also hasn't shut the door on the OHL (the Saginaw Spirit currently own his major junior rights).

Needless to say, wherever he ends up, the 6-foot-2, 190-pound Fantilli will be bringing an elite set of tools with him.

"Athletically, he's a freak," said one NHL scout. "He's an NHL body right now. He's big, long, explosive, fast and skilled."

There were some rumors he might accelerate such that he'd spend two years in the OHL or college before getting drafted. Those appear to be dispelled. He'll be back with the Steel for his D-1 year, and it seems like he's leaning towards college. Fingers crossed.

Portillo profiled. The Buffalo News talks Erik Portillo, Sabres draft pick and Michigan's new starting goaltender:

"He's really good," Shields said of Portillo. "I love him as a goalie and a person. He's a gamer. Aside from the fact he has all the physical tools, the things he needs to improve on are all teachable in terms of save selection, skating, his work around the crease, tracking the puck. The things you can't teach -- the competitiveness and ability to not be nervous -- he's got already. ... When you see that in a goalie, it's usually a really good sign. And if you combine that with the fact he's got the size and he's got that fire, it's only a matter of time for him to put it all together. It's not going to take him long."

Etc.: The pandemic is now truly over. Drug tests now too good? Frank Clark can't keep his guns out of sight? The five most efficient WRs in the Big Ten over the last three years… actually nevermind don't find out. A rare New York Times "don't click here."

Comments

JFW

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^

I'm torn. I was talking with my wife on the NCAA Lawsuit. 

A) I'm thrilled the NCAA is getting pantsed. 

B) I'm thrilled student athletes get to have a piece of the pie. 

C) I like the one time free transfer rule. 

But.... and I realize this makes me a damned fool or a hypocrite...

I'm going to miss college sports as I knew them. The portal, and the lack of restraint especially on the SEC is going to make it more like 'NFL light' and that's sad to me. I liked the idea of the college athletics when I was growing up where kids went to school, got scholarships, made out well (friend of my Dad's had a son who went to ND and got a medical after his freshman year due to a knee injury. He got a hell of a degree and did really well for himself), and in return we got some great games and rivalries. 

This will benefit the hell out of some players. I fear there will be some in the portal who are enticed/pull the trigger too quickly who will lose out. And an athletic environment where 'Our sweet QB learning the ropes' is now 'Dear God we need to get the kid some time lest he leave because Texas and LSU are already sniffing around the door' is kind of a bummer. 

Oh well. It is what it is and there it goes. Nothing stays the same, and as I said I'm thrilled the kids get a chance to get a piece of the pie that they bloody well made. 

dragonchild

June 22nd, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

I know the feeling. The right way to think about this is, you’re just waking up.  As much as I’d like to believe otherwise, amateurism has been dead for years, and the NCAA killed it.

OSU’s former starting QB never set foot on campus. LSU handed out cash bonuses on camera. The B1G knowingly let crooked refs officiate a rivalry game. It’s an open secret that Alabama and Clemson launder player salaries through their staff. It’s already a pro league, just one rigged for cheaters!

If the possibility of a pro-lite game makes you lament, let’s remember that the current game has all the integrity of a fight club run by an organized crime ring.
It literally can’t get any more corrupt!  The future of “college” football will look different, but the good ol’ days are long dead, and recent revelations of abuse indicate they were strongly rose-tinted anyway.

JFW

June 22nd, 2021 at 3:41 PM ^

Those are excellent points. It is what it is. With the rampant BPONE here, the craziness of college football fans in general, and the NCAA's murder of college football through zealous enforcement of silly rules and non enforcement of other rules, my enjoyment of college sports is kind of crashing. Oh well. I got a new boat, so I can spend my silly obsessive time there. :-)

AC1997

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:14 PM ^

The one comment about Jones' performance in the G-League camp is that his scoring and defense look to translate but he struggled to facilitate in the ball screen for others - with more turnovers than assists and leaning toward scoring than passing.  That may not be a bad thing for Michigan next year, but we've only ever seen PGs in Juwan's ball-screen offense looking to facilitate and it isn't clear that will be a strength of Jones.  

Sample size caveats and the desire to show off scoring in a camp setting apply....but worth noting.  Maybe when combined with Frankie and Eli we'll find a good balance of facilitation and scoring.  Something to keep an eye on.

outsidethebox

June 23rd, 2021 at 7:30 AM ^

Jones has yet to be coached by Juwan and staff-Devante will not struggle at Michigan. And the way he carries himself-his intellect, insight and demeanor in this clip...this is one dynamic, confident young man-one you want leading your team. If Jones and Brooks play 75% of the guard minutes next year this Michigan team will be a force to be reckoned with. 

A State Fan

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^

My personal opinion is that Hunter Dickinson needs to go pro. Preferably as late as possible to hurt UM basketball.

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But I think given the things he needs to work on (right hand, more diverse post moves), and his body type (true big man), he's better served honing those against college competition than the pros. He'll get more reps in college than he would as an end of the bench NBA guy (and wouldn't go pro just to be in the G-league) and I don't really think you can emulate this kind of thing just working with a coach or trainer.

I don't think he'll ever be a 1st round pick no matter what, but getting another year to dominate on a high usage would be better than going pro now.

mGrowOld

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:29 PM ^

"If Nico Collins gets 100 targets and Chris Evans eats up wheel routes I'm going to click on basketball recruiting content even harder."

If it makes you feel any better the Cleveland Browns sportswriters recently had a poll where they were asked to pick the player they believe will make the biggest jump from 2020 and the overwhelming selection was some dude they picked in the 6th round last year.  Our very own former 5 star WR DPJ.

OldSchoolWolverine

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^

To think we had DPJ, Collins, and Evans on the roster, and instead, kept recruiting and feeding slot guys and other players.... I like Corum alot, but why not play Evans over him and Charbonnet ?  I can understand Haskins getting run but he should have been the compliment to Evans....   gotta wonder about Gattis here.  

Brian Griese

June 22nd, 2021 at 3:24 PM ^

The problem is three fold:

1) The transfer portal exists.  If you do not feed lots of mouths kids are going to transfer.  Michigan is not a program that can withstand an exodus every offseason (really only the elites can) so they have to try and keep people happy and that's tougher to do on offense as opposed to defense.

2) Michigan refuses to snap the ball before the play clock gets to 12.  Brown and Harbaugh's philosophy (maybe this changes now) was to limit the snaps the defense has to be on the field for.  Part of that equation is not being quick on offense with tempo.  Obviously, the fewer offensive plays you run the less everyone gets touches.

3) It's shockingly sad that since Henne left I have had no confidence in a Michigan QB to throw the ball down the field effectively against teams worth a shit (still love you Denard).  I don't really feel like typing up a novel to discuss the reasons why as it goes way beyond who the QB is - but if you have a hard time throwing the ball down the field WR's built like Nico aren't going to see the targets they should be.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.  I'm not sure how much of this is Gattis versus Harbaugh but Michigan has suffered from the same problems throughout the Harbaugh tenure.  

MarcusBrooks

June 22nd, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^

we can never put it all together can we

we have stud WR's and OK RB's and Oline and can't feed the WRs --OR-- choose not to for some insane reason. 

bama get's a stud WR and they feed him the ball 100+ times and they destroy people

we dink around with crappy little speed in space garbage and don't use the talent we recruit worth a damn. 

AlbanyBlue

June 22nd, 2021 at 5:41 PM ^

Gattis? No way, this is Bo-disciple Harbaugh all the way. Focusing on the run. Not using tempo, presumably in an effort to limit mistakes and lean on a defense that has usually been (late Brown era excepted, and games against division-winning caliber teams excepted) excellent. Emphasizing the safe throw in the passing game -- think out routes and simple TE routes versus unleashing the dragon. Making sure to utilize a fullback. And the overall attitude of "we're going to do what we do -- just try and stop us!"

Hell, this offense goes back to Carr and Bo. For those of us that are long-time fans, how many times have you yelled "stop being so predictable". If you're anything like me, you need powers of ten to easily express that number.

No, sadly the biggest difference between Harbaugh and Bo/Carr is Jim's absolute inability to develop the QB position here. He made his college reputation due to a generational talent in Luck that succeeded mostly due to innate ability. Bo and Carr had good to excellent QBs and just didn't really use them. Jim's QBs here have been a measurable notch or notches below this, and have often not even been above average in the Big Ten.

Goblueman

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^

69 players have been invited  to the upcoming NBA Combine so far (Livers is on that list) As far as I know the only G League Elite Camp participant added to that list is Duane Washington OSU.There are 40 players in the G League Camp.Maybe 10 from that group of 40 will be invited to NBA Combine.I won't begin to  worry about HD or D.Jones leaving Michigan  until either is invited to Combine.Full Combine list coming soon

Blue Vet

June 22nd, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

"The belief among the legal experts CBS Sports spoke with was that a 6-3 or perhaps even 7-2 decision in favor of Alston was most likely."

Perhaps CBS should consider other legal experts. A writer for Forbes predicted in April that it would be a 9-0 vote.

lhglrkwg

June 22nd, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^

You can pretty much guarantee the NCAA will absolutely dig its heels on to maintain the status quo until their position is on the brink of collapsing and then they'll try to join in with the reformers to maintain their position. They'll stink to their guns here until the last second and then will probably propose something stupid like where players get NIL rights but the NCAA has to manage all of it somehow

Also, I know it was a rough year for the AD and AD's everywhere, but whenever I hear Michigan complain about budgets and costs, I always enjoy linking to the chart showing Michigan pretty much increases their expenses in tandem with increasing revenue to hide how absurdly profitable they are

BursleysFinest

June 22nd, 2021 at 6:34 PM ^

RE: drug tests being too good... for a track athlete to say that she has never heard of nandrolone and doesn't even know what it is, that just sounds ludicrous... makes the rest of her statement suspect for me

MaizeBlueA2

June 22nd, 2021 at 6:42 PM ^

Michigan home of under utilizing its talent into being average college players and weapons in the NFL.

Ohio State home of maximizing and getting every drop of talent out of its players who often suck in the NFL.

Tale of two programs.

I know you don't question coaches, they have forgotten more than we will ever know.

For the life of me, I'll go to my grave feeling like Harbaugh misused some of his most talented (not best, talented) players.

Nico Collins should've been 10 targets per game, minimum. Go Henne to Braylon and just throw it over there. You trade 8 catches for 100 yards and 2 TDs for 1 pick EVERY day! Especially with some of the defenses that we've had.

Chris Evans...no reason why he shouldn't have been in the slot, hitting wheel routes, screen passes, dump offs in the flat. Regularly. 

DPJ, just get him the fucking football. Does anyone remember that play where he caught a quick throw to the sideline and just burned like 2 guys to the pylon? I think it was MSU or Indiana.

Peppers...stop running the same damn play with him from the Wildcat.

Tarik Black...okay, he was always hurt.

Charbonnet. The Wildcat with Haskins eventually started working, but Charbonnet had the best feet, balance and vision of any RB in a winged helmet since the current RB coach. When it's 2nd and 2 or 3rd and 1...just give him the damn and let him get you what you need. Especially behind Ben fucking Mason.

...but no, let's keep faking the dive to the running back, sprinting to the sideline and throwing to 5'9"-5'11" WRs on the run for a gain of 3 yards. Because, speed in space.