This way, guys! [Patrick Barron]

Preview 2021: Five Questions, Five Answers, Offense Comment Count

Seth August 31st, 2021 at 12:00 PM

Previously in 2021: The Story. Podcast 13.0A. Podcast 13.0B.
Last year: 5Q5A: Offense 2020. Quarterback. Running Back. Wide Receiver. Tight End. Interior OL. Offensive Tackle.

Your productivity is safe; there will be no positional previews this year (see: The Story). Hail to the Victors was finished so late all of that is still good except perhaps [checks Nebraska preview] yep, all of it’s still good. Let’s ask the questions, starting with the saddest, and working our way back to hope.

1. Who’s running the offense?

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Somebody’s going to jail. [Bryan Fuller]

It’s Josh Gattis. I’m sure Jim Harbaugh is involved, but the popular fan theory that the old man trapped in Schembechlerian thinking is dictating smashmouthian football hasn’t held up, at least so far. The evidence is all over. They made BEN MASON a tight end, for one. Gattis said he is going to get best athletes the ball in space where they can make plays. The receivers have been running various takes on levels that clear out space underneath for their star wide receiver, who led the league in average YAC.

They passed far more often—44% both years—on standard downs than any other year under Harbaugh. Half of those passes went to a slot receiver, and another chunk went to slants off RPOs. The base running attack remained the Buck Sweep, which we’ve been calling Pin & Pull. That has been their thing since the back half of 2018. Screens have remained mostly left out of the offense. This is all pulled from UFR data since 2008:

STANDARD DOWNS, NOT IN COMEBACK MODE

Era Pass Rate Pass Short Bomb Power QB Run Screens Dropback%
Rodriguez 23% 14% 5% 6% 40% 9% 56%
Hoke 37% 17% 7% 20% 16% 6% 52%
Harbaugh 15-18 38% 17% 7% 35% 4% 4% 59%
Gattis 44% 23% 10% 19% 12% 5% 74%

[QB run includes zone read/arc stff]

Also about 8% of the offense has been RPOs, up from negligible prior. Where Gattis is an outlier is he’s been more likely to have his quarterbacks throw it deep on early downs.

The other interesting thing about Gattis on early downs is he doesn’t use much play-action, something we have tracked consistently across eras. Sometimes there’s a tiny wave of the ball at an RB going by—that doesn’t count as PA in our charting (and gets the old guys on Twitter furious).

When Gattis is able to run his offense, his offense passes more, and drops back more. It still doesn’t screen, but it’s substantially different than the “Harbaugh”-called offenses under Drevno/Pep/The Cast of Too Many Cooks. What he does so much differently than Pep Hamilton is create space to throw to the guy who can pick up extra.

Pep’s overarching philosophy for his routes—I believe— was in creating levels reads that pop open one after another. Gattis is the contrast: look how the targets are spaced out in the four corners of the field, drawing defenders until there’s just one to read. He steps deep with the WR who ran right at him, and the underneath is thrown.

It might just be that the reads-on-everything, defenders getting pulled in multiple directions, QB run threats, RB wheels, and bombs we hoped Gattis imbibed from Joe Moorhead did not take, or that they did but are muted by the paralyzing conservatism of James Franklin.

The thing I can’t show in the charts is there has been a lot more of the Mike Locksley/get people moving across the backfield stuff. It’s mostly been a dud. The kings of that kind of football right now are the Baltimore Ravens, and Matt Weiss was supposedly a big part of that design. They run jets and orbits and then have the receivers kick out or turn into wheels. Gattis has mostly used those guys as flare routes or fake pitch options—the football equivalent of putting a Just a Shooter™ in the corner to increase spacing. Because the Michigan offense ignores that guy out there, so has the defense.

Ideally this year the presence of Weiss and the co-coordinator role for Sherrone Moore give Gattis a sharper edge. They CANNOT slip back into this “we’re reading nobody” idiocy that we saw again last year after it was banished post-Notre Dame 2018. I wish I could blame that on Harbaugh.

[After THE JUMP: Make sense please.]

2. Why can’t they run the goldang quarterback?

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Perhaps this was unfair? [Bryan Fuller]

If you recall, the takeoff point for the 2018-2019 offense was when they shelved the fake zone reads that got them killed against Notre Dame and started actually running the quarterback. They turned off QB keeps against Army and that almost resulted in disaster, then held back the offense all season. It happened again last year against Indiana:

Well. Here we are again.

Here we are. I cannot tell you how sick I am of pointing at a flailing Michigan offense and pointing out the various things that make no goddamn sense. Called QB runs in this game: zero. RPOs: maybe two or three. Zone reads: one, I think.

There was a screen, so there's that.

What is going on?

I don't know. I don't know how you can see Milton run against Minnesota, and see the easy touchdown it should have generated, and then completely drop that from the offense. I don't know how you go back to turning your back on the line of scrimmage like it's 1984. Michigan ran play action on second and twenty on which Milton turned all the way around and popped up to find a DE in his face that he could have avoided if he wasn't looking at the wrong endzone for half the play.

You lost to an abysmal MSU team. You're down the whole game against a team you haven't lost to since 1987. Run the goddamn quarterback.

One difference we saw with McNamara versus Milton in the Rutgers game was Michigan put the reads back into the game. Nobody has explained why that is so we just have our theories. Brian’s is that Milton must be terrible at them.

Milton got filed for zero RPOs, zero zone reads, and zero screens in this game. McNamara had six screens, four RPOs, and three zone reads. I may have missed something here or there but I mean… one of these had speed in space elements and the other absolutely did not.

At this point I have to assume that Joe Milton is terrible at executing reads. Perhaps unfathomably so. I've complained about the near-total absence of them in the offense for a month now, and this was no exception. M continually handed off with Milton while there was no conceivable read:

A popular one during the Pattersom era was they didn’t want to expose him to hits: Wisconsin went headhunting on McCaffrey the second he seemed poised to take over, and Patterson had a major brace on after the first play against MTSU. Anyway that makes two (with Shea) QBs in a row who mysteriously stopped making zone reads, or just pretended to and handed off no matter what the optioned guy does. It extended to RPOs so Brian was probably right about Milton.

Anyway McNamara was making reads when he came in against Rutgers. This was an RPO that victimized a CB trying to do what IU got away with all day. The next play Gattis hit them with an RPO AND GO! and there’s no chance.

Best case scenario, that’s the offense Gattis intended to run. That scenario means they picked the wrong quarterback for that offense last year, shelved it to keep riding with him until he gave them no choice but to bench him, and then he transferred to Tennessee. That isn’t very comforting either. But #SpeedinSpace lives!

3. McNamara INTANGIBLES or Joe Milton’s Arm?

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Just a few more days to empty the McNamara spring practice 2019 folder [fortuitously filled by Bryan Fuller]

The difference between the two gets exaggerated because the most present thing in our minds is the part of the season when Joe Milton got benched in consecutive games and McNamara immediately scored. The UFR charting (with my MSU grades included) tell us nothing except how much Milton deteriorated over the course of the season.

CADE MCNAMARA

  Good   Neutral   Bad   Ovr   Reads
Game DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR   DSR GRADE!   RPOs ZRs
Wisconsin 3 1               3     57% +2
Rutgers 2++ 20(6)     3 3       5 2   70% +8.2   4/4 1/3
PSU-Before   2(1) 1     1             100%  
PSU-After   7(3) 1   2 1   1   8(1) 1   30% -8.2

JOE MILTON

  Good   Neutral   Bad   Ovr   Reads
Game DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR   DSR GRADE!   RPOs ZRs
Minnesota   17(6) 1     1     1 2 1   75% +4   2/2 2/2
MSU 7 20(3)+ 4   3 3   2 5* 5(1)** 5x   64% +15
Indiana 7 19(2)++++     3 4       6** 4   71% +10.7
Wisconsin 1 8(1)+       1   1 1* 4* 3*   47% -7.2
Rutgers 2 3     3 1       3 1   56% +0.5
PSU   1               2     33% -1

That drop after IU was deep. It also wasn’t injury related. Milton was not seeing anything. Watch this safety creeping into become a sixth lineman as Corum is running the other way:

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Our data on McNamara are 10 drives versus Rutgers, and two each against Wisconsin and Penn State. Our memories converted all of that into this:

Immediately followed by this.

Those are indeed consecutive plays. This was two plays later.

And this one play after that.

His next drive was three inaccurate throws, and the last wasn’t charted. Your brain also wiped out this throw because it conflicts with the hot take about Erick All.

What none of those show is an NFL arm. McNamara has to be that good because he doesn’t have a cannon, and that puts a ceiling on what they can do. Nobody got a week to prepare for McNamara before. Now he will get hunted by zone defenders.

McNamara says bring it on. Brian said on the pod you have to be a Tom Brady or Drew Brees-level savant to make that work. Those guys also happen to be two of the most success quarterbacks in history because they are savants. I’m not putting McNamara in that category; I am arguing that picking up subtle cues the defense gives you before and after the snap can make quarterbacking look easy.

And as I said on the pod, the lower ceiling should not be mistaken for a low ceiling. Michigan didn’t get a chance to design the offense around his strengths either. He was a four-star who obliterated Nevada’s high school records. If he’s passed by J.J. McCarthy this year or next, I think the chances are higher that’s a good thing not a benched thing. The evidence against that take is mostly “Well look what happened to all the dead quarterbacks before.” I’m not going to predict Michigan’s going to injure their starter the first game of the season (Patterson 2019), or first Big Ten game (Speight 2017) or two games before Ohio State (Speight 2016) or the first drive against Ohio State (Rudock 2015). The cosmic bad luck is just that.

Also the receiving corps could be as productive (if not as talented) as Ohio State's. Ronnie Bell is a star, period. Cornelius Johnson and Dylan Baldwin are a guy Ohio State would take and a guy they tried to. Giles Jackson leaving is a bummer but AJ Henning might be better.

The more worrisome QB trend under Harbaugh is regression—Speight and Patterson got worse in 2017 and 2019 after solid 2016 and 2018s, and Milton slowly came apart over the course of last year. That never happened before with Harbaugh’s QBs. It might be that can all be explained by Patterson’s oblique and issues at pass protection in the other circumstances. Speaking of…

4. Is it wise to replace Ed Warinner with Sherrone Moore?

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You’re the man now. [Patrick Barron]

One of the more frightening moments of this offseason’s coaching turnover was when we learned they had jettisoned grizzled, undeniably successful OL coach Ed Warinner to promote Moore, a former Oklahoma tackle who’s been mostly appreciated at Michigan for his recruiting prowess, e.g. he landed Dax Hill, but has never coached OL before.

The insiders have made it loudly clear($) that the players are very happy with the change. Brian said on the podcast yesterday that he doesn’t care what the players think. What we left unsaid is offensive line coach is really one of the few positions on a football team where your recruiting ability matters less than your ability to coach, because linemen usually need two or three years of development before they’re ready to be judged on the field, and anyway the position (except for elite tackles) is much harder to rate than others.

No doubt the 60-year-old Warinner is an excellent OL coach, especially with centers. He left a trail of them from Army to Air Force to Kansas, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Minnesota. At each stop he was named an OC or co-OC before he left. It’s doubtful he’s going to remain long at FAU. Also there is no question whatsoever that Cesar Ruiz became the player he was so quickly at Michigan because of Warinner’s coaching.

It’s very likely Harbaugh was in a spot where he knew Warinner was the better coach but the players didn’t like him. I could also see why Moore might be integral to everyone keeping their jobs—would you chance losing Dax?—and looking to move up from TE coach, putting Michigan in a tight position.

Warinner also left Michigan with a trail of unused eligibility at the position he worked with most. I learned at the start of 2019 that Ruiz wasn’t planning on returning. Stephen Spanellis transferred the same offseason, and then sniped at his old coach from Twitter. Zach Carpenter took off when last year ended and was enrolling at Indiana before Michigan had a chance to talk him out of it. I would be more inclined to believe in Andrew Vastardis if the program hadn’t spent spring and most of fall trying to move true sophomore Zak Zinter over.

I got my tongue tied up on the podcast while trying to convince Brian that Moore deserves a chance. What I wanted to say is he’s done an excellent job on the coaching front—we were talking about using Erick All at receiver until Moore taught him how to block. Also the coaching Warinner gave the current group is still there. I’m not thrilled either about handing this position over long-term to a first-timer, but the effects of that are uncertain and down the road. The loss of Warinner shouldn’t affect Michigan any more this year than it did  2017 Ohio State, or 2012 Notre Dame.

5. Will they get to use these running backs?

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Step 1: GET THE FURK OUT OF HIS WAY [Fuller]

How they want to use them isn’t a mystery. Running back is a fairly simple scout for fans, especially Michigan’s running backs. There’s truth to the “Thunder/Lightning” concept, as discussed here by Brett Kollman when the Saints had great big mauling guards and a pair of RBs with very different styles.

It cannot be repeated enough: Hassan Haskins put up 6.15 YPC despite the state of last year’s offense, and that offense spending almost half of its downs either in passing downs or trailing too late to run. And he earned those yards, both when the maulers got him the first chunk, and when he had to do it himself.

How do you stay tethered to your Michigan fandom when things are falling apart? Watch that play above. You can watch it again and get upset that Gattis’s motion with Ronnie Bell didn’t fool the Spartans anymore than the Badgers in the example earlier if you really want to be miserable. That play is the reason my first NIL purchase was this guy’s jersey. Other guys are going to have to step up, but Zach Charbonnet is an excellent running back who didn’t have a role at Michigan anymore because he was going to be stuck behind this guy. This that annoy us about this program—like they run the Wildcat but never seem practiced enough at it—work anyway because of Hassan.

And once you’re sick of getting pounded outside the whole thing changes. This is actually some botched blocking at the frontside by Michigan’s TEs and OL. It works anyway because Corum is too fast and too sharp.

Ideally you use both of these guys in the same drive, softening up the defense then forcing them to deal with Corum in space. People who played football understand better than those of us who didn’t or didn’t play enough: getting hit sucks. It wears you out. The way you stop a good thunder/lightning is you don’t let them get started.

Last year Michigan would often go on long drives then come up short near the end zone. The three-and-outs came when they either blew something terribly, or when they got behind so much they had to throw 75% of the time or more. Indiana brought a zillion cornerback blitzes to force Michigan to pass on first down.

The other thing they can do is throw to them when they’re wide open, on the plays you designed for just that purpose. Corum is too fast for linebackers to stay with him…

…and if he starts taking away defensive backs, Michigan has the receivers who should be able to feast. If running wheels tires Corum out a bit, throw in Donovan Edwards for a spell. Or go back to Haskins.

Last year did seem a bit crowded with four, but the real reason they didn’t get fed wasn’t the roles, it was that Michigan wasn’t throwing to them when they had the chance, and then Michigan was down by two scores and had to throw. To me, that’s just a way to turn a glowingly positive depth chart into another negative. If your heart is struggling this pre-season to find its way back under the banner, my advice is to pick one of these guys to be your dude, and follow him.

5b. Well?

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Had there been a spring practice to watch it’s plausible we could be hyped for this offense. I can’t state this enough: the decision not to broadcast a spring game was a decision somewhere between boneheaded and catastrophic for a program whose fans are already short on tethers keeping us from the state Brian’s fallen into. A spring game is football minus strategy. The players are easy to like and the thing that most bothers us about their offense is coaches have been consistently botching strategy since 2017.

Unless you’re being purposefully negative about McNamara or think Stueber's ceiling as a pass protector is a huge deal, the biggest complaints about the offense have nothing to do with the talent on offense. It’s the coaching. The running backs are great, and even if you don’t buy that having defined roles is better than having Chris Evans and Zach Charbonnet around, those carries go to Hassan Haskins, a year older Corum, and maybe some Donovan Edwards. The linemen seem fine but the elder coaching them is gone. The design of the offense makes sense but they stop running it in the middle of games. They can’t seem to settle on being one thing and staying that thing for a season. Harbaugh can’t get a quarterback (since Rudock, not counting Patterson’s 2018).

So, the coaches are on thin ice. McNamara is going to be fine or else he’s going to surrender his job to a 5-star true freshman whose projected takeoff point is next year. Their third option is a beat up Big XII castoff who once went throw for throw with Kyler Murray as a freshman. The running backs are great. The receivers haven’t shown it as much (or at least not at this level) but all the arrows there are pointing up. The line gets a Wile E. Coyote year before we really find out if Moore can develop guys. We’re down to can the coaches get out of their own way, and I don’t know. I’m willing to ride it out with Harbaugh but if they run one more read play that isn’t a read I might just turn on him too.

The lack of a spring game is the reason I can’t defend him anymore. The fans who don’t care weren’t going to care. The fans who want to care need reasons believe. Maybe a Western Michigan game can do that. That often seems to do the trick.

I had to go through all of these and significantly downgrade them so I wouldn’t come out insanely positive. The things that could sink this offense are:

  1. Missed protections inside. Vastardis wasn't great at this last year but a 6th year guy should be alright. The dropoff from him to sliding Zinter inside or going with a freshman could be steep.
  2. McNamara getting hurt and having to dumb down the offense to get JJ comfortable.
  3. More dumb coaching.

There are a lot worse places to be in than “I hope I don’t have to play my 5-star quarterback or 6th year former walk-on returning starter at center doesn’t get hurt.” And there are all kinds of places to find upside here, like “one of Baldwin/Johnson/Wilson is more than a WR2” or “our OL isn’t all injured by game four,” or “excellent blocking TE who caught everything in his zip code as a high schooler remembers how to catch” or “McNamara is a Steely-Eyed Missile Man” or “For once Michigan just runs their offense all year.” Michigan can take a hit to any of the other four OL positions, receiver, or running back and be fine. If optimism didn’t sound insane, you could almost be optimistic.

BETTER

  • Any semblance of a QB run game >> Milton 2020 UNLESS THIS COACHING STAFF ACTUALLY LIKES PUNCHING ITSELF IN THE FACE. DO YOU? LIKE PUNCHING YOURSELF IN THE FACE? STOP DOING THAT!
  • Baldwin/Johnson/Wilson >> Sainristil/soph Johnson/frosh Wilson
  • Junior Ryan Hayes > six guys at LT in six games
  • Sophomore Zinter > true freshman Zinter
  • Keegan after epic battle > Filiaga beats out various freshmen
  • 2nd year starter Vastardis > Injured 1st year starter Vastardis
  • McNamara reading a defense >> Milton reading a defense
  • McCarthy/Bowman/sophomore Villari > Freshman McNamara/Villari
  • Sophomore Corum > freshman Corum
  • Matt Weiss, Analytics Whiz Kid > Ben McDaniels
  • Mike Hart+more carries for Corum/Haskins > Too Many Cooks

PUSH

  • Ronnie Bell == Ronnie Bell
  • AJ Henning == Giles Jackson
  • Stueber at RT == Mayfield/Stueber at RT
  • Not having a fullback == BEN MASON screwing up assignments as a TE
  • All & Schoonmaker == Eubanks & All
  • OL like their coach == OL hate their coach
  • Harbaugh+Gattis coaching for their lives == Harbaugh+Gattis

WORSE

  • McNamara’s arm <<< Milton’s arm
  • First-time OL coach << OL coach w excellent 25-year resume
  • True freshman or Zinter is backup at C < Carpenter

LAST YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

I’m grading lightly because these were Brian’s not mine.

Milton has a better YPA and completion percentage than Patterson (8.0 and 56%, respectively) last year but throws 50% more INTs per attempt.

Milton had 7.6 YPA and a completion percentage a half point (56.7%) higher than Patterson’s. His INT rate was 2.8% while Patterson+50% would have been 3.1%, or one more interception. Since opponents dropped two I can think of off the top of my head we’ll give Brian half a point.

Ronnie Bell is the clear leader in targets and has 85 yards per game there; the competition for the #2 spot is a complete free-for-all that sees four or five different guys in a relatively tight band.

Bell had 67 yards per game and 42 targets, followed by Cornelius Johnson (28), Erick All (25) Giles Jackson (22), Mike Sainristil (17) and Roman Wilson (14). Full point.

Between Giles Jackson and Chris Evans, spread H is a real thing. Combined they average 5 catches a game.

Jackson was their starting slot receiver but did most slot receiver things, and Chris Evans was a running back who got 8 targets. Together they averaged 4 catches a game. If you throw in AJ Henning I’ll concede the point, but only because 5 catches a game was a low bar to clear for Spread H being a thing.

The offensive line is a B+ unit with a couple guys PFF loves.

PFF loved Andrew Stueber. Everyone else gets an incomplete because nobody else made it through a six-game season.

Erick All is the leading receiver amongst TEs.

Eubanks started the year hurt and replaced All when he returned. In the end Eubanks had 10 catches for 117 yards on his 12 targets to All’s 12 catches for 82 yards on 25 targets. That prediction was not about All having a crappy year that edged Eubanks on one volume statistic so no points.

Ben Mason emerges as a short-yardage snowplow once again, this time as the lead blocker. There's a two-back package that features him and gives the business to the first team that sees it.

This is absolutely true in the absolute worst way it could be. They had him playing an H-back role that’s a quasi-TE. There was a two-back pistol package that featured him, and it gave the business to the first team (Minnesota) that saw it. Then he started screwing up his assignments against MSU and it was shelved.

No SP+ prediction this year because the lack of nonconference games is likely to throw that system for a loop; I will assert that the offense will be better overall than last year's, which finished 21st.

Michigan finished 42nd so no.

THIS YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

  • McNamara is an opponent-variant (kills bad teams, struggles vs good secondaries) QB who matches Patterson’s 8.0 YPC but with a completion % much closer to 70 than 50. He starts every game that he isn’t injured.
  • We still see J.J. McCarthy in a competitive situation. He makes at least one throw that’s bonkers and at least two things that are only excusable for a freshman.
  • Blake Corum and Hassan Haskins get about equal carries, suppressing each others’ bids for all-conference, and we think that is unfair.
  • Corum sees an uptick in his target rate, but it’s still not enough because Michigan doesn’t throw a lot of RB screens.
  • Ronnie Bell remains the clear leader in targets and finishes the year just under 1,000 yards. Cornelius Johnson has more targets, yards, and TDs than Daylen Baldwin, but Baldwin leads the team in yards per target.
  • The running game is right-handed. Their favorite plays are Pin & Pull and split zone behind Stueber/Zinter.
  • The offensive line does some 2019-style face-mashing but has too many 2016-style interior protection breakdowns that prevent it from being more than B+ unit. PFF grades Stueber higher than Zinter; MGoBlog is the reverse. Vastardis grades out the lowest to both.
  • Erick All is a secret weapon as a blocker and his drops go away, but he’s not the contested catch maven we hoped he would be.
  • Josh Gattis isn’t back next year. Mike Hart is.

Comments

JimmyBeGood

August 31st, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^

Just to throw a new package in your toolbox - at the VIP open practice on Saturday they had Donovan Edwards split wide (WIDE{widest}) with an empty backfield. Down and out for 7 yds.  This was their favorite route all afternoon 7 yds out or crossing. One long  completion all day JJ to Henning. 

Aspyr

August 31st, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^

Anyway that makes two (with Shea) QBs in a row who mysteriously stopped making zone reads, or just pretended to and handed off no matter what the optioned guy does

So you noticed that they stopped making zone reads when two QBs previously got injured and then Milton was 2/2 on RPOs, 2/2 on zone reads against Minnesota and 7/8 on RPOs, 6/8 on zone reads against MSU and then they shelved all the reads after that (0 against Indiana) until McNamara came in against Rutgers.

At this point I have to assume that Joe Milton is terrible at executing reads.

Hmm seems like Milton was pretty good at it until he got injured against MSU. 

FFS

 

Seth

August 31st, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

Ah. That doesn't explain why he wasn't reading defenses though. The point with Patterson is it was an oblique, so they could not get him hit on the side. Milton was still zinging it after MSU. And one of these plays I showed was Milton keeping the ball when his read was throwing outside. In the Rutgers UFR Brian showed several plays where Milton did not move his head toward where the guy being read should be. Injury cannot explain that.

Aspyr

August 31st, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^

You are suggesting that Milton isn't good at reads but the stats show otherwise. As far as reading the defenses - don't have the time to look at that - he was inexperienced though so some of that should be expected.

But they didn't want Milton running with the ball after MSU and if you go back and look at the UFR you will see that when it was actually part of the game plan Milton was good at it - much better than Patterson - though that is not saying much.

Minnesota: 2/2 RPOs 2/2, Zone Read
MSU: 7/8 on RPOs, 6/8 Zone Read
Indiana: - No designed QB runs, No RPOs or reads charted (may have been 1)

The reason they started with the zone reads again against Rutgers is because they had a healthy McNamara - at least they did for a while... The reason they stopped after MSU was because Milton was injured.

McNamara Rutgers: 4/4 RPOs, 1/3 Zone Read

Tennessee coaches have noticed several bad habits that Milton developed to compensate for the injury - he started holding the ball lower for instance. He had trouble gripping the ball as you could imagine especially the colder it got.

imafreak1

August 31st, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

Maybe Tennessee has fixed something with Milton. But his first problem was inaccuracy. Which he had coming out of HS (90/188 in his senior year) when presumably he wasn't hurt. And Michigan couldn't fix that problem well enough for him to run the offense efficiently. 

Same thing as Shane Morris. who barely had a 50% completion rate his senior year in HS. Highly rated based on measurable and arm strength but without having been consistently good at QBing in a game. Michigan couldn't fix Shane Morris either. 

Honestly, if you watch Milton's plays from the Minnesota game, he is mostly throwing swing passes and inaccurate rocket balls down field. You can see why when the offense had to lean more on him it didn't work out so well.

Blake Forum

August 31st, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^

This is a really really really excellent piece. I may be saying that because I agree with it so completely, yes, but it’s an elegantly empirical way of getting at the central question for this offense: Can the coaches do right by the talent they’ve assembled? 

los barcos

August 31st, 2021 at 1:10 PM ^

The rorschach test that is M's preseason preview should really be clinically studied.  Two people (Seth and Brian) looking at the same data coming to two widely varying opinions.  I appreciate the yeoman's work you're doing here Seth, but I just don't see it.

And Giles Jackson is far better than AJ Henning.  

Blake Forum

August 31st, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^

Asking sincerely: What makes you say Jackson is a lot better than Henning? Kick returner I’ll give you. But I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Henning in the offense at least as much as what we saw from Jackson. Small sample size from both, but Henning has shown flashes of some real ball skills and what could be truly elite acceleration and shiftiness. Jackson has had his moments, too, but he’s yet to establish himself as a consistent Power Five weapon on offense. I’d rather have them both, but it wouldn’t be particularly surprising, based on existing evidence, if Henning ended up as the better WR

los barcos

August 31st, 2021 at 3:33 PM ^

Hope springs enternal on MGOblog today.

I would put the question right back to you - what makes you think Henning will have the better career?  As a recruit, both were 4 stars to 247.  Hard to compare stats because AJ's first year was Covid, but pick any four games between Giles' freshman year and AJ's freshmen year and Giles has the better stats - both rushing and passing.  I would also argue you can't just disregard kick returner, since Giles was so good at it Alabama stopped kicking it off to him.

What can you hang your hat on for the assertion that AJ is better?  One solid, but not spectacular, catch against PSU?  

The good news is we can actually see on the field who will be better - and I bet 5 mgopoints that Giles stats on 9/11 are across the board better than Aj's.  

Jmer

August 31st, 2021 at 4:19 PM ^

Coming to Blakes aid here.

You're being obtuse on purpose to prove your point. Comparing their stats on 9/11 isn't going to be fair being that Jackson is expected to be their number two receiver and Henning is going to be our 4th-6th guy (which is exactly where Jackson would slot in if he was still on the roster).

Also if memory serves me correctly, Jackson had a much clear path to the field than Henning his freshman year. But since you are allowing me to pick any four games from Jackson's freshman year, give me Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, and Penn St. In those four games Jackson had 0 receptions and 0 rushing yards. He actually had 7 games that year with zero receptions and 8 games with 0 rushing yards. The most catches he had in a Big 10 game that year was 1. The most rushing yards he had was 32 yards.

I'm not saying AJ is going to be better, but you clearly didn't look any of this up when you started your response. If you want to be an insufferable, negative fan, that's fine, but please don't act like you know what you are talking about.

https://mgoblue.com/sports/football/roster/giles-jackson/21334#:~:text=Key%20Statistics%20%E2%80%A2%20Caught%2063%20passes%20for%201%2C254,21%20catches%20for%20324%20yards%20and%20five%20touchdowns 

Zenogias

August 31st, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^

They CANNOT slip back into this “we’re reading nobody” idiocy that we saw again last year after it was banished post-Notre Dame 2018. I wish I could blame that on Harbaugh.

Seth, I must know, and this seems to be the right place to ask it: have you watched this clip from Josh Gattis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgSW4XqZK7Q

The reason I ask is that I went back and looked at this play in UFR (it's play five of the second drive against MSU in 2019). Brian determined that this play was "probably not a read," because no one would make a read this bad. And yet here we have Josh Gattis, the absolute highest authority on how this play should be run, telling us that this is absolutely a bad read from Shea Patterson.

I highly doubt that this was an isolated incident, and we should be willing to entertain that a number of situations in which it looks like we're running fake reads, we actually aren't. Does that indict our quarterback coaching? Probably! But it does mean that there's a greater possibility that Gattis' offense is doing the thing we want it to do, and we haven't had a quarterback execute it.

Seth

August 31st, 2021 at 1:26 PM ^

I haven't but I would love to believe Ben McDaniels sucked and that replacing him with Weiss will fix everything. I showed a few examples and you can go back to the Rutgers ufr to find more from Joe Milton not making reads on plays it look like they should be reads. My hypothesis last year was that Michigan was just not getting the opportunity to practice reads with these guys because of COVID or because they realized they need to spend all of their time reading pass defenses, or the quarterback spent his whole summer playing golf or because the reads were all new to Shea in 2019. But that does not explain why Patterson did not make the reads he would make in 2018 in 2019, or why Milton suddenly stopped. 

Zenogias

August 31st, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^

Yeah, I'm not saying I have a full explanation here either. All I'm saying is that we have strong evidence from this clip that, in fact, Michigan quarterbacks are capable of blowing a read so badly that Brian believes the play cannot be a read. That should cause us to consider how many "fake read" plays really are fake, as opposed to just horrible decisions by the quarterback.

It that encouraging or discouraging? Hard to say. Would you rather find out that the design of the offense makes sense but that our quarterbacks have been unable to execute it or that the design of the offense is nonsense and our quarterbacks have been executing it well? We fired our QB coach and retained our OC, so to me that indicates that Harbaugh thinks the problem is the former, not the latter.

Zenogias

August 31st, 2021 at 2:37 PM ^

Just to note: that's not the only video on the YouTube channel that features Gattis breaking down plays from his offense and talking in detail about this philosophy. I was able to pull up more just by searching that channel for "Josh Gattis." Definitely worth doing, in my opnion. 

Zenogias

August 31st, 2021 at 2:52 PM ^

In fact, it looks like this is taken from an entire instructional video that any of us degenerates could purchase for $30. Gattis himself is in a bunch of other videos, which are apparently a part of an entire series done by the Michigan coaching staff. Not sure how useful any of this would be, but I do wish I'd realized this earlier in the offseason!

imafreak1

August 31st, 2021 at 4:33 PM ^

Gattis is clearly very good at talking and monetizing himself and sounding like he knows what he is doing. Maybe all assistant coaches have lines of video instruciton like that but it seems odd for a guy who has never done anything as an OC so far. 

Let's hope he can translate all his talk into action on the field. If he can teach the players to implement his ideas on the field. We haven't seen that yet. 

It is particularly easy to show a video in slow motion and say what the QB should see and how obvious it is. A totally different matter to teach the players and get them to do those things that seem so easy in slow motion review. The second part is the much harder part.

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^

Gattis is clearly very good at talking and monetizing himself and sounding like he knows what he is doing.

Gattis knows way, way more about football than anyone posting on this board. Pretty much all coaches do. That doesn't mean they don't get things wrong--they do, plenty--but the idea that amateurs like us know a lot about the sport and coaches whose job it is to understand and plan this stuff are just bumbling fools who talk a good games needs to die in a fire.

Coaches are smart. They know a lot. How they apply and communicate that knowledge is a different story. But they are not fools and they are not frauds. 

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^

I don't have the mental energy to drill deeper, but this is enlightening, and does suggest that Shea had trouble making the correct reads in action, at least from this perspective. Some have speculated that it was specifically these kinds of reads he struggled with, but remember that he wasn't always reliable finding the right guys downfield, and that Speight and O'Korn had similar problems. 

How much of translating what "should" happen into action by the QB rests on the QBs, on Gattis, on other offensive staff, or on Harbaugh, can't be known precisely for sure... but as is obvious in this thread, I have my personal opinion on it. 

It really is clear that this is a play designed to attack multiple points of the defense, successfully deployed two talented players into "space" where a decent throw would gain chunk yardage, and Shea handed off instead, thankfully with success on that afternoon. 

Gohokego

August 31st, 2021 at 6:46 PM ^

I'm hoping Cade is the answer and he makes those quick decisions and knows where the play needs to go.  It's coaching but it's also just the qb. Sometimes you need a qb instead of a physical specimen.  Quarterbacking is way more about the mental then the physical.  If you have an average arm, good accuracy, but are smart, make quick decisions, and get the ball to the right place that's much greater then big arm, fast, with below average accuracy and don't know where to go with the ball.  

 

Watching the games over the past few years it seems so many yards and points were left on the field because of not getting the ball to the right player. 

Just in this video if Shae swings it out to dpj he probably scores. Black blocks 1 guy and its a race to the end zone instead of a decent run. 

dragonchild

August 31st, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^

We also don't need a positional preview because this kind of gave us that, at least for the offense.  The pieces are there to march down the field and score points.

What terrifies me is that, going through this 5Q5A, I realized Michigan's habits of not running the QB, not optioning defenders, AND consistently using decoys that are established as nothing but decoys (as in they will never touch the ball when deployed in such a way) means we've been playing nine against eleven this whole dang time.  Sometimes even eight against eleven.  We have the RB running routes that never get thrown to, no reads, no options, and the QB doesn't run either.

Of course the offense sucks!  You could have effin' Alabama's roster and it wouldn't work!  There is no era in any level of football where a philosophy of, "We'll remove several pieces of our offense from the play," would work!  We've been literally paying these guys to give our opponents an advantage!

mitchewr

August 31st, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

It's why I've been saying all along that our problem has nothing to do with recruiting stars and EVERYTHING to do with the coaching staff. Even IF you buy the theory that Gattis' offense actually does utilize a bunch of reads and our QBs have just been too incompetent to actually make the read, that still doesn't reflect well on the coaching staff...who's job it would be to coach and teach the QBs to make the reads.

Either way, I feel like we'll get some definitive answers at the end of this season. Either the offense will finally look like they know what they're doing or I anticipate we'll see quite a bit more coaching changes come the off-season. 

imafreak1

August 31st, 2021 at 1:40 PM ^

  • Josh Gattis isn’t back next year. Mike Hart is.


Are you predicting that Gattis gets fired? Seems infinitely more likely than Gattis getting hired away to a promotion. But can Harbaugh survive the offense being bad enough to get Gattis fired?

If Corum and Haskins get the same amount of carries, and it happens without an injury to Haskins, it better work. They can't do this stupid thing again where they try all season to replace Haskins unsuccessfully and to the detriment of the team, only to learn again that Haskins is the best back on the team. Again.

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^

I am actually a bit nervous about Hart as a RB coach and OC - IU's offense really wasn't as good as people think it was last year (29th per SP+; Michigan was 42nd), especially at RB, and while I'm generally optimistic if I told you UM booted a solid position coach for a guy who helped field a team that averaged about 3.2 ypc you'd be skeptical.

kurpit

August 31st, 2021 at 1:43 PM ^

Also the receiving corps might be as good (if not as talented) as Ohio State's.

*Forehead slap. Ronnie Bell is the only receiver on the team with any notable track record! What the hell are you talking about?

 

  • Josh Gattis isn’t back next year. Mike Hart is.

So, I'm hoping that if that's the case then it just means that the next head coach kept Hart on staff because I am so not down with Harbaugh constantly shuffling coordinators, trying to find a winning pair.

uminks

August 31st, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^

I  hope everything goes well for the team and we have 2 to 3 more wins than what most are predicting, 7 wins. I think if Harbaugh finishes with 8 wins or more wins he is safe and there is excitement for the future. If he only wins 6 to 7 games, he will be on a very hot seat in 2022. If he fails to go .500, it is time to find a new coach.

AC1997

August 31st, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

Thanks Seth....even though it is probably foolish for my emotional stability, I appreciate the mostly optimistic viewpoint.  Some supporting thoughts:

  • Brady and Brees don't have to be the only standard for "game manager" QBs.  Brian Greise is a home-grown example of a guy that was pretty good at it.  
  • I think at the college level "rocket arm" is equivalent to 40-speed for a RB.  Sure, you'd like to have it, but the key to success is doing the right thing and moving the chains. 
  • We talk about Cade like he was a walk-on.  He was a top-300 recruit and the #7 QB in his class.  
     
  • Those Haskins highlights are fun to watch and I'm all for more of them.  I'm not quite sold on Corum being a star yet because I want to see more of those RB instincts on a down-to-down basis (or see the coaches play to his strengths more) but I'm all in on Haskins.
     
  • This is the deepest QB roster probably since the 1990s if you believe Bowman is >> John O'Korn.  In some ways it reminds me of having Greise (veteran game manager), Brady (young hot shot that isn't quite ready) and Dreisbach (wildcard with talent but erratic) on a depth chart.  Maybe Cade wont' be enough because of his OL or defense....but I'm eager to see.  Many of those plays he made were instinct or feel.

MGoStrength

August 31st, 2021 at 2:12 PM ^

  • Josh Gattis isn’t back next year. Mike Hart is.

I've been waiting for this one...and I couldn't agree more.  One may even go so far as to say JH is out and Hart is in.  I'm not as certain on the second one, but I have a hard time seeing Gattis back again if we don't have vast improvements.

MGoStrength

September 12th, 2021 at 1:39 PM ^

You can't be serious. 

About Hart being a HC or JH getting fired?  Many thought JH should have been fired last year and going into this year was make or break.  Another OSU beat down short of 9+ wins was the general consensus that JH would not be retained. 

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 2:16 PM ^

Ah, to talk football:

I dunno. I think Cade has potential to be quite good. The offseason talk about "leadership" is often just talk, but it was clear last year that vocal leadership is indeed an attribute of his that is an above-average positive, and we all loved how he won the Rutgers game.

But: My reservations about Harbaugh as a QB coach remain. Seth mentions the regressions of Speight and Shea and Milton, passing over O'Korn, who looked great for that one game against Purdue and then turned into rice pudding, saying that there wasn't any history of this...

But there kinda was. Colin Kaepernick looked great at San Francisco, beating out Alex Smith on the field and legitimately upgrading their offense... and regressed over time. He simply didn't continue to perform at the same, quite elite, level that he had launched out at. 

My working theory is that Harbaugh will always be involved in the QB coaching, but that he's not actually good at communicating what they need to learn in ways that are accessible to them, resulting in growing confusion rather than growing clarity with regard to reads. Speight, O'Korn, Patterson, Milton... all of them frustrated us over time by completely missing open reads that the offensive design had produced, and making bad plays that shouldn't have been made. And guys like Speight were quintessential hard-work-and-film-room types that should trade on that kind of thing.

It remains to be seen if that happens with Cade. I am pessimistic, but I could be wrong and will be delighted if so. 

Who's running the offense?

Seth's arguments are persuasive, but there's one point that's missing: The offense still has Harbaugh's fingerprints all over it in terms of its tempo of play. Harbaugh teams are invariably bad at hurry-up situations. This was true in San Francisco, and it has been true at Michigan across multiple offensive staffs. It is far likelier that Harbaugh is the key factor here than Josh Gattis, who prior to Harbaugh coached in high-tempo systems at Alabama and Penn State. 

Now, all that said, this is going to sound like it's just a "dog Harbaugh" post. Mostly, though, it's the caveat.

Because I think Michigan's offense has the talent and design to be good this year. Not great, but good. The receivers aren't elite (though I think, given the room we have, the hype on Baldwin could be real) but they're pretty good. The OL has coaching questions but we have a pipeline of experienced guys, so it should be fine. Cade has shown that he's at the least pretty good. 

I also think that the defense can be good this year.

So, offense and defense, good. Not elite, but good. Good can win many games on its own. The problem is that there are going to be a handful of games against teams that are, at least, also good. And then you're looking at small things, margin things, detail things, coaching things to put you over. Things like a great two-minute drill late in a game down by 4 points. Things that can flip 50-50 games.

And I'm worried about how Michigan will respond to those things.

Oh well. Let's see what happens. I'll say this: Hoke was always way too sluggish to respond to obvious warning signs of trouble. But Harbaugh has a proven history of seeing problems with the program and addressing them. He fired his friend Tim Drevno. He fired a good OL coach in Warinner, apparently seeing personnel problems that needed to be fixed. He fired Don Brown two years after Brown was producing #1 defenses. 

So he *can* change things that were problems. 

mGrowOld

August 31st, 2021 at 2:38 PM ^

Good post Stephen.  The point I was going to make re Harbaugh and the offense has to do with my almost 40 years in the business world and how employees & supervisors interact in day to day situations.

An employee can be given complete autonomy to make decisions (like you surmise Gattis has been) but still be completely hamstrung by his boss because his boss makes it VERY clear via verbal and non verbal cues what he likes and doesnt like.  For example, if Gattis calls a play/formation that Harbaugh favors and gets a smile or a good job you can bet he'll want to call that play again regardless of the outcome.  Similarly comments made during the game or in film study "not sure why we went in that direction" or "what were we thinking there?" are a chilling reminder that the boss doesnt approve.  As far as no FB goes watch where we line up our TEs - I'll be you anything you'll see them put back next to the tailback and playing the role of FB on a semi-regular basis like he did in the 2017 Outback Bowl.

I think Gattis stuck in no-man's land and will think that until I start seeing things on the field i KNOW Harbaugh hates:

1. Actual zone reads where the QB runs

2. QBs making throws in 50-50 situations (letting the WR make a play)

3. Tempo

Until one or more of those things are seen on the field you will never convince me Harbaugh's hands arent all over this offense.

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 3:50 PM ^

I've tended to favor the theory that Harbaugh is too involved in the offense, and posted a lot about it last year. You make good points. Further: it's not uncommon for coaching staffs to assemble game plans together, and in fact that was explicitly what was going on earlier in Harbaugh's tenure. There's no way that Gattis and Harbaugh aren't watching film together, discussing different issues (looks, formations, player capabilities, etc) in the same room both with and without other coaches present. That's what staffs do.

And it's not necessarily bad. Lots of staffs do this. I mean, Bill Belichek is a defensive guy, but I've seen NFL Films clips of him digging into the offensive gameplan with some thoroughness. 

As I've observed on other issues, even if the playsheet for the week is developed by the OC and the calls are made by the OC, there is a whole season / week of prep that goes in to what is on that playsheet and what calls are already known to be preferable for various situations, and the HC is absolutely going to have some involvement in that if he's at all an offensive guy. And Harbaugh is an offensive guy. 

What does seem clear is that the kind of plays in use are the kind of plays we expect Gattis to choose. The fact that Michigan is passing more on standard downs is a positive sign. 

But, as you say, there are still a lot of fingerprints here. Tempo, for me, is a big one. Not because I want Michigan to run 90 plays a game (though a few more won't hurt). But Michigan never has tempo in its toolbox unless it's either a specific part of the pregame plan (Michigan ran some tempo early against Notre Dame 2018, and that was still in the initial play script window) or they absolutely have to in 2-minute situations, and then they're bad at it.