Hokepoints: What’s a Spread Punt? Comment Count

Seth

Takeaway: offenses were so potent by the 1950s that teams would punt on normal downs to gain field position, and the opponent wouldn’t have a guy ready for this.

Michigan’s outmoded punt formation is a horse we’ve been beating since Hoke’s first year despite it being about as dead as, well, NFL-style punt formations in college football. In light of last week’s punt-o-rama first half I got a question from a reader asking if we’d actually explain what the difference is between them and why one is better than the other.

So yeah, let’s do that, with the foreknowledge that Hoke isn’t going to change no matter what we say or prove; this is so you’ll know what you’re seeing only.

Here’s the punt formation that Michigan uses:

Oldpunt

Like all things in football there’s a hundred different names and minor variations on it but the gist has remained the same since a time before the word “pattern” was replaced with “formation.” It follows the same rules as normal downs: seven men on the line of scrimmage, four in the backfield, with the backs plus ends on the line counted as eligible receivers. Since the snapper has to concentrate on that he typically doesn’t figure into the punt protection scheme except as a bonus dude to get in the way or cover a lane. The O-line does the front-line blocking, with a couple of wingbacks to protect against an edge rush and an up-back on the “leg” (…of the punter) side to catch anything that comes through, like an RB in pass pro, reading inside-out.

This protection scheme has worked for two generations and remains pretty safe from all kinds of punt blocking attacks unless a block is blown. It packs guys in the middle and on the outside the blockers mostly just have to keep rushers from getting inside before the punt is off. The two “ends” (wide receivers, really) are gunners, releasing downfield on the snap to attack the returner before the ball arrives and he can set up his blocking.

The NFL still uses this formation because they have to:

During a kick from scrimmage, only the end men, as eligible receivers on the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap, are permitted to go beyond the line before the ball is kicked.
Exception: An eligible receiver who, at the snap, is aligned or in motion behind the line and more than one yard outside the end man on his side of the line, clearly making him the outside receiver, replaces that end man as the player eligible to go downfield after the snap. All other members of the kicking team must remain at the line of scrimmage until the ball has been kicked.

Translation: only the two outside guys can be gunners; everyone else on the punting team can’t release downfield until ball leaves foot. This was an attempt to cut down on injuries, figuring it’s best to keep as many collisions between high-speed NFL bodies to short range meetings in the backfield.

[After the jump: niche opportunity leads to adaptation]

College football doesn’t have this rule, and that’s why a different punt strategy could evolve:

Spreadpunt

The two most common names for this style are instructive. It’s “spread” because you wind up with guards lined two yards away from the snapper, and four “receivers” (ie gunners) instead of two. It’s “shield” because the key to it is setting up 900+ pounds of meat shield about five yards in the backfield, behind whom the punter can do his thing. From a personnel standpoint you are basically trading three fullbackian guys for two WR/DBs and an extra OL.

Why only college? Without the NFL’s two-gunner rule college teams are free to send as many dudes as they like toward the punt returner right on the snap. The only thing holding them back is having to block long enough to get the punt off safely against all fronts. So: how do you get more guys released? They tried various rugby-style things in the ‘90s, but the real winner was going to a defense-in-depth strategy that required two (!) fewer blockers to get the same (actually better) rate of preventing blocks. The only tradeoff is less opportunity to pull a fake pass; that happens so rarely it’s not much of a loss. In the pros, since you can’t send covered ends downfield anyway, might as well stay in a normal-ish offensive formation.

The key difference is how they block the A-gaps (the spaces between the center and the guards). In a shield punt the A gaps aren’t defended at the line of scrimmage. Rather you have three very large men—who can thus absorb a rusher without giving ground—standing about five yards back. They act like a gate: they line up with a space for the ball to be snapped, then close ranks. Those three guys are responsible for catching any defender that comes through the A gap, and keeping whatever else leaks through too far outside for them to get to the punter.

Provided they do their job—more of which than any coach would care to admit being to stand in the way and be large—there should be a nice 7-yard cushion behind them for the punter to step into and get the ball off. Provided the shield isn’t shoved backwards, in the time it takes for the defenders to engage then break through or around them, the punt will get off.

With the eye of the storm kept clear by that mechanic, the rest of the blocks are quick and need only widen the vectors of the non-middle attackers. The guards’ jobs in particular are to get inside the ends and shove them a yard horizontally; then they too can release downfield to join the punt coverage. The punter receives the ball about 12 yards behind the line of scrimmage, and those seven yards in front of him are his safety zone to step into; the punt release point is right behind the shield.

The only way to beat it is to swarm the shield. If you can’t figure out why this scheme scares coaches, look again at the five people on the line of scrimmage: there’s extra WRs on the line instead of offensive tackles. Until they could see it working at other schools, many a coach probably got to the point where you say “don’t block the DTs at the line” and walked out of the meeting.

Even if you told him a punt is your highest yardage offensive play.

If the defense packs more guys onto the line, you close up and put a hat on a hat, still leaving the three most dangerous attackers for the shield. If they have four attackers in the A gaps, the guard to that side will change his technique, blocking down on an inside guy to delay anything behind that block (the shield takes care of the DE). The result is twice as many gunners heading downfield at the snap to cover the punt.

To date defenses have yet to find a method of consistently getting pressure, even on an all-out 10-man attack, unless the blocking is screwed up or the punter doesn’t get the ball off in time.

Faking is a bit harder to do because you technically have two tackles (the covered inside WRs) downfield. NCAA refs let that go to extraordinary lengths when it’s lumbering dudes wearing numbers in the 70s; not so much when it’s a guy wearing 85 running downfield like it’s four verts. You’ll note when Michigan was a shield punting team we had the punter just run it.

There are variations. One tinker gaining popularity is to run it from an unbalanced line, blocking hat-for-hat on the side you’re punting to and saving the shield for the backside.

That’s an overload formation by the way, but it’s a good example of how the shield punt’s rules translate to the defense trying to get pressure:

overloadshield

The Y receiver just has to run across the formation and bang the DT to interrupt that whole side; four guys do get into the three-man shield, but the unblocked dude is the furthest out and therefore can’t cover the horizontal difference before the punt’s away. On the frontside, everybody blocked down—so long as they got a hat across the defender there’s no way that guy’s getting upfield fast enough to cover the punt.

How do you know it’s so effective?

Data (click bigs):

dropping returnsdropping returns2

Nothing else—no rule change or game mechanic—has changed punting in this period except the spread of spread. Mathlete’s looked at it before too. The above were from data grabbed at ESPN. See trends? The likelihood that a punt will be returned has dropped 30%. Those that do get returned are getting 15% fewer yards. I split out the Power 5, since they’re generally working from the same pool of punters as the NFL, and watched the rate of their punt returns drop from the NFL normal to less often than the mid-majors, with their non-power legs, used to get.

Because it can protect the punter so successfully, and moreso because it can get so many tacklers downfield before the blocking, the spread punt has made successful punt returns a rare thing. We saw a case example of the spread punt’s efficacy last week in Ann Arbor. Miami (not That Miami) managed to get what seemed like the same value from their punts as Michigan despite their punter’s leg having a range that didn’t even get to Norfleet. Last week Michigan missed an opportunity on a muffed punt against ND precisely because they only had one guy downfield to challenge for it.

So why doesn’t Michigan do this? The best reason I’ve been able to come up with is maybe they don’t want to put any more on their offensive linemen right now? That is a bad reason; teams that have transitioned to the spread punt did so in a few practices and were effective at it. The real reason is probably that they want to be Alabama, i.e a pro team in college uniforms. Punt blocking isn’t all that hard; you just need to get in the way of interior rushers and delay the outside dudes. The biggest way to screw it up, from a coaching perspective, is to be the last program on the continent to adapt to a superior method.

Comments

Monocle Smile

September 16th, 2014 at 10:45 AM ^

I feel we're extremely lucky to have people like Chesson and Norfleet who burn their blockers badly enough to paste the return guy. They're often the only dudes downfield at that point.

This is also exactly how you get Ace Sanders'd in a bowl game. I know people have a million excuses for why Hoke does bloody-minded dinosaur crap like this, but I don't care...this is stupid.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 16th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

Agree.  I mean I don't particularly like to extrapolate from small data points to predicting the future, but this is the kind of stuff (and there's more than just the spread punt in the first three years) that leads me to believe UM will never be elite under Hoke.  It's a special type of bull headed stubborness to knowningly not do something that is, in pretty much every way, proven to help your team win more games.  Football, like pretty much everything, requires adaptation in order to survive.

aiglick

September 16th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

It's not only stupid it's stubborn. The funny thing is Hoke aknowledges that spread punting is effective because he specifically puts out two returners to deal with that pesky, new fangled, punt formation that is making it hard to return punts.

Our special teams aren't even that special as noted by several on this blog and this is probably a good chunk of the reason why.

It's nuts.

creelymonk10

September 16th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

Great content Seth I love this line in The Mathlete's conclusion in switching to the shield punt, "So net punting is up, gross punting up, punt returns down, punt returns touchdowns down and punt blocks are down." It takes an extremely stubborn person to ignore this data. I hope Hoke can swallow his pride and install this next year.

Gulogulo37

September 16th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^

Didn't Carr try it for a few games during one season and it went poorly? I'm not at all saying it's a bad idea; I really wish Hoke would do it. I just thought I remember some punts getting blocked or the punter running to the side and shanking it out of bounds or the shield getting pushed back into the punter. I guess they didn't practice it enough beforehand. They might have even deployed it after the season had already started.

gwkrlghl

September 16th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

"Michigan's been the leader in punting for the last 50 years! I still remember back in '86 when we punted from the 36 and forced them to start from their own 20. Truly the glory days of Michigan football....Why change what's been working for us?"

But seriously, it's probably going to take a few blocked punts before Hoke changes his mind

mgobaran

September 16th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

Seth, you mentioned that the block rates decreased too, but didn't back it up with data. So I don't believe you! /s. But do you have any data on that, or where would a good place be to look.

Also. It would have been nice to go into why you can't jump the shield on the spread punt. As long as you don't use anyones leverage (which is illegal) to clear it, I don't see why you couldn't just jump over. I also think it is a BS rule, because you could get a guy like Funchess to ran up to the shield and jump straight vertically to block it, but the shield members could step forward and go under your legs to take you out causing what looks like a "shooting the shield" violation. I actually think this happened to Frank Clark on his penalty earlier this season. 

I think the Shield could be defended more easily if the rules aloud for it, but what would be more fun than big returns and blocks huh? Oh yeah fair catches. Stupid NCAA.

samsoccer7

September 16th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

I don't always read Hokepoints, but when I do, it's fantastic.  Nicely done and it's amazing we don't punt this way.  Given that we punt so much it seems like we would really benefit in the field position game from using the spread.  Why we don't do it is just idiotic honestly.

Space Coyote

September 16th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^

The shield punt is more prone to give up "swing" plays. In other terms, it is more prone to be blocked (you can't account for 4 guys rushing the A-gaps, which is the shortest line to the punter) and it relies on one wave with OL and a Punter acting as safeties. Get by the first wave and you're in space. FWIW, the strength is that the shield punt better defines the defense's intentions, so you can switch to a pro-style punt formation when that happens.

The pro-style punt forces defenses to work around the entire line to get a block (a longer path), it doesn't have a defined weak point and requires stunts (slower) to try to confuse blocking assignments. It then sends down a defense in waves rather than in one wave, because guys tend to stay in and block longer. The safeties are typically FB and LB types rather than OL types.

So the reason Michigan likely runs it is because they are trying to mitigate swing plays. They will give up a nominal return, and some chunks of yardage, and in return will less likely put the other team immediately in scoring position.

On top of that, you'll note ever shield team also implements a pro-style (they push the wings back into a quasi-shield, but the techniques are the same as a pro-style punt formation) because of the weakness of a spread team against teams that punt block. Note that OSU ran a pro-style punt formation against V-tech. So how much time do you want to spend implementing more special teams? It takes the same players that are used on the field, so you can't rep it at the same time you are repping your normal things. It takes away from other practice time. You can do it, but it does take time to implement.

I don't agree personnaly with not implementing the shield punt formation. I think the benefits outweigh the negatives. However, it's not that Hoke and anyone who runs a pro-style punt formation are dinosaurs. They just put weight on things differently.

It's also unfortunate that I was writing essentially the same article last night (not finished) to post next week. I'll focus on some finer bits of technique and assignments, but yeah, guess that will happen when you have multiple people doing the same type of thing. Oh well.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 16th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^

When the Mathlete looked at this last year, he found that with the genesis and application of the spread punt, punt blocks went down from 2.6% to 1%. Obviously his analysis cannot provide a causal relationship, but it does provide some good evidence that the spread punt pretty much improves punting in all categories. And, as you say, if a team lines up to overload the wall. You can always shift into a punt safe safe formation.

Space Coyote

September 16th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^

Is a big reason why it's down. The shield punt better defines the return team's intentions, so you can motion to pro-style punt in those situations to cut down punt blocks. In that way, it helps all around. FWIW, the biggest way a fake punt works out of the shield punt is because teams overload the A-gaps and then get out-flanked, that's essentially the only way for it to work, but again, it works because the return unit is defined.

Like I said, I think the benefits outweigh the negatives with a shield punt. It just comes down to implementation time for special teams. I think it's worth it, it's a lot of hidden yardgage IMO to leave off the table. But either you spend time implementing it or you become much more prone to swing plays.

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 16th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

It's not even just the yardage to me.  The Mathlete also found a 50% reduction in punt return TDs.  That's a big reduction in another swing play.  So data is showing in addition to reduced yards gained by the opposition, you also reduce the chances of the opposition getting a big swing play with a spread punt.  I just don't understand why it's not being done.  For the little extra time over already existing punt team work it would take to implement the spread punt, I just don't get why the coaches are willingly turning down something to help their team.  It's like saying "naw, we don't need the NCAA's full alotment practice time, we do all we need in 90% of that".

Space Coyote

September 16th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^

I think it's pretty difficult to get past that first wave. It's like trying to return a KO from a pop up kick. You get less returns, and when you do return it, it's more likely you'll get swarmed. The issue is only when you break that first wave. 

This also got me thinking. Another reason that all these numbers could be cutting down is because there are now multiple ways to successfully punt. Punting is less defined, it's not the same week-to-week, it's not even the same from punt-to-punt within a game. Having multiple schemes and formations forces you to work on covering the fundamentals rather than just have the fundamentals installed and then implementing a block scheme. I dunno if there's any correlation there, but it wouldn't surprise me. You give coaches less time to focus on ways to exploit things, and more time worrying about just covering your own ass, and the "swing" type things probably go down.

But that makes the case for implementing both schemes.

gbdub

September 16th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

Even in the "break the first wave" scenario, I'm not sure the benefit is clear for NFL punt. Yes, you have more second level guys, but the receiving team has more time to set up blocks and can set them farther upfield. That can lead to TDs as well.

SaddestTailgateEver

September 16th, 2014 at 12:23 PM ^

This is the problem with first order statistical analysis. Sure the mean may be down, but if we're trying to cut down on swing plays what we really need is the variance, or more helpfully the entire distribution. For a simple example:

 

Say for instance you have in a game 5 punts that all get fielded at the 30.

In sample A the returns are 10, 9,11, 7, and 10 yards (average=9.4, variance=1.84)

In sample B the returns are 0,1,0,2,and 40 (average=8.6,var=247.04)

I think we'd all likely agree that sample B is worse even though the average return distance is less.

wild_blue_yonder

September 16th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

We'd have to look at the expected points from each if those field positions (which I believe has a direct relationship to adjusted win probability). Using the advancedfootballanalytics.com Win Percentage Calculator to get a Expected Point value (I left the Game State at 5:00 left in 1st, no spread, but I don't think that should affect the expected points): Your Group A then has Expected Points of (1.25, 1.37, 1.44, 1.44, 1.51) average of 1.40 points. Group B would have Expected Points of (.90, .90, .95, 1.00, 2.66) for an average of 1.28 points. So without some hand - waving about momentum (isnt there a Mathlete article about that?)I don't know how you argue that Group A is preferable. Still, that could have just been a bad choice of example datasets.

Yo_Blue

September 16th, 2014 at 4:37 PM ^

It really seems to me like there are less returns these days because the punts are so short they end up bouncing to the return man or if he is close to being covered, bounce BY the return man.  The double return men can alleviate this problem to some extent, which Hoke has switched to.  That is, I guess, a point in his favor.

dragonchild

September 16th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^

I actually think Hoke doesn't want to give up the possibility of a punt fake.  He's historically not been shy about faking punts in the 4th-and-medium range and is willing to pay the price in punt returns.  Sure you lose about 15 yards of field position but we've also won a couple key games on fake punts.

Thing is, even after he's established as a risk-taker he won't out-and-out say that he wants to retain the ability to fake punts in a presser.  The "I'm just not comfortable with it" is convincing as a non-explanation because he's building up a reputation for being "old school" even though we're rolling out shotgun 3-wides and last year's MSU defense.

dragonchild

September 16th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^

You're right; I'm confusing punts with field goals.  So there goes my evidence.

The merits and downsides discussed here are certainly valid; I just think he still likes having that card to play.  But I suppose this is now reduced to a wild guess.

dragonchild

September 16th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

It's possible, but it's riskier.  Of course my underlying case got blown up so I don't have much left to defend, but I'm not making an "all or nothing" case.  Hoke may be stubborn but I don't think it's the stubbornness itself that's driving this.  Either it's way down on his list of priorities (let's get 100+ yards tailback rushing against a bona fide FBS defense first) or he wants the option of an easier fake punt (that he never actually uses), but the point I'm making here is that he's not going to reveal his real reasons in a presser.

Reader71

September 16th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^

Any data on blocked punts? I've said elsewhere that Hoke seems like a guy that would rather die than lose a game on a blocked punt. I have yet to see any good data on blocked punts. The shield is better at cutting down on returns, is it better at protecting the punter, thereby limiting worst case scenarios?

reshp1

September 16th, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^

This is a legitimate gripe about Hoke. I'm guessing he had some guys with institutional knowledge of the shield punting when he took over so it was probably easier to just keep rolling with it instead of changing to the pro style like we did... so the practice time argument isn't really valid.

The thing we did last year when we'd line up in shield and then motion to the pro formation was seriously WTF and felt like we were being trolled.

Space Coyote

September 16th, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^

Is more that if you implement a shield punt, you also need to implement a pro-style punt, so you need to spend time implementing both.

Why Michigan was in a shield punt and motioned to a pro-style is probably because they fear the "swing" plays I talked about above. Clearly Hoke is not comfortable with the prospect of getting a punt blocked, and he probably was really uncomfortable with it because of how much they repped the shield punt. I think it's being over-conservative, but it is what it is.

Seth

September 16th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^

They're burning the practice time on it anyway. We've got three practices from this year on record: two for the public and one we had a guy get into, and there was a lot of time spent on punts in those. Because all of M's opponents this year run the shield punt, they were practicing having the 2nd team punt to the 1st team punt returners.

There aren't that many doubles on the units (Chesson, Norfleet, a few others). Anyway, the point is Michigan spends a lot of practice time with 11 players executing shield punts; they just don't have their starting punting team rep it, and don't use it in games.

GoBLUinTX

September 16th, 2014 at 11:37 AM ^

The NFL prohibits the "spread" punt in consideration of player safety, yet people are advocating less concern about player safety to gain a couple of yards advantage on punt coverage?

mvp

September 16th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^

Well, even though college kids aren't small, it is true that pro players are bigger and stronger.  There are also guys out there whose full-time job is taking guys heads off (i.e. no requirement to play school...).  So, I think given the opportunity to destroy a punt-returner, a pro player is more capable of doing so than a college player.

Note that there are fewer rules about punt formation in pee-wee football, but it isn't an attempt to make pee-wee players less safe.

mGrowOld

September 16th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

I think the only way the spread punt formation would be introduced under Hoke's command would be if somebody invented a time machine and had Michigan, circa 1996, put that baby in the arsenal.

Back to the future.