OT: Talking Cars Tuesday: What's your biggest gripe among new cars?

Submitted by JFW on

We live in an automotive platinum age. When I was a kid, 100K was ancient for a car. Now it's a medium sized milestone. You can practically close your eyes and pick from a list of auto manufacturers and come up with something that will be more reliable, powerful, and fuel efficient than something even 10 years ago, and definitely more than something 20 years ago. 

However, not everything is perfect, and, I like to whine. What's your biggest gripe about new cars? 

For me it's the death of simplicity. It really hit me when I drove an old fleet Ford Five Hundred a couple years back on a long trip. This car had acutal keys, an AM/FM/CD radio, manual HVAC controls, and manual lights. 

And I *loved* it. Something about the simplicity spoke to me, and actually made my driving less stressful and busy. It was a great road trip. My Miata is the same way. 

I admit, I may be getting old, and you can all get off my lawn. But still...

My '07 Commander has been acting wierd (trying to waterproof my driveway with oil, for example) and I've been looking online at new/used cars. It's damned hard to find a car that doesn't have automagic everything and a screen the size of a small tablet in the center stack, or $400 easily losable key fobs.

What, if any, are your gripes? 

In reply to by ijohnb

JFW

May 15th, 2018 at 12:40 PM ^

"Having an actual key to start a car was not a problem that needed a solution. "

amen! 

This to me is a huge gripe. But I think it's just a way of making more money on a formerly cheap but essential component. 

SHub'68

May 16th, 2018 at 3:50 AM ^

my mom was in the hospital and I took my dad to see her. I drove his car and let him off at the door, then navigated the parking ramp. I found a spot, parked, and it was at this time I realized that he had the key! (it was sitting in the console and he picked it up by habit) The car wouldn't shut off or lock the doors because no key was in proximity. I really did not want to leave his car there unlocked and running in a busy parking deck at a major hospital in Detroit! That I couldn't shut it off and lock it without the fob seemed really bizarre, figuring you'd want the opposite. Anyhow, I ran through the ramp and across the parking lot, into the building to find my dad, then back to the car I half-expected to be gone - or in the process of being gone. Apparently, they shut off and lock themselves if you leave them long enough...

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BornInA2

May 15th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

Pretty sure the point was to take somethign that cost $2 to replace at a hardware store, the ignition key, and turn it into something that costs $500 and can only be done at a dealership.

Consumers lose.

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triguy616

May 15th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^

Just keep them in your pocket. I never pull my keys out of my pocket, and it's great. Walk up to the car, put my hand in the handle and the car unlocks. Push to start. When I've parked, I hit the lock button on the handle. Never have to touch the keys except picking them off the counter in the morning. 

I'm not sure why hitting the brake to start is so irritating, but if you don't, that's how you turn on the car without igniting the engine.

mgobleu

May 15th, 2018 at 3:56 PM ^

My wife keeps the keys in her pocket. She just never knows which pocket, so good luck if I ever want to drive the dang car. 

Of course this is better than where she left the last set, which was on the deck lid, driving down the road, who the hell knows where.

In related news, the Tile Bluetooth locators are pretty much worthless unless you're within 30 feet. 

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NowTameInThe603

May 15th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^

Couldnt disagree more.

I just bought a car that has push start but requires key in ignition rather than just keyless. Hate it. I liked to not have to know where the key was. If the car started the key was in the coor.

I also miss door handle unlock button.

 

All that said my "new" car is the first car Ive ever earned that is truly fun to drive.

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saveferris

May 15th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^

Then comes the inevitable day when the battery in your keyless fob dies and you can't start your car; then you go to try and change out the battery, except the fob doesn't actually come with a lid that let's you easily get to the battery, so you essentially have to take the fob apart to change out the battery....just so you can start your car.

I may never buy a Ford again for this reason alone.

jamesjosephharbaugh

May 15th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

it's like an airplane cockpit in there these days.  Not to mention under the hood - we've lost an entire generation of hobbyist garage mechanics.  i also concur that a $100 transponder key is crazy.  

 

But my gripes are:  the prices.  It's just insane that a basic family sedan is $30k or more.  average family can't save that easily, this is why they sell 72, even 80 month loans now. the benefit of course is that cars now are very reliable and can easily last for 7+ yrs if you don't wreck it.

and my other gripe - is the sameness.  I assume this is somewhat due to regulations that require certain features and lights and windows etc.  But it's wild that so many cars across brands look so alike.  Is it regulation or consumer preference?  yuck.  give me some variety.

 

to temper my complaints, i do like the advances in cars that i'm complaining about.  the reliability, the doors that unlock as i walk up to the car, the controls and convenience and comfort that come with all the tech options in the dash.  So I'm griping because you asked me to but truth be told, i like the features in most cases.  

JFW

May 15th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

the key is lack of choice. 

It seems like I can't get a mid sized SUV that has manual controls, a decent drivetrain, and no screen. 

I had a '98 ZJ that had a great drive train (Quadra-Trac, low range, 318) but pretty simple interior controls. I loved it. 

Today, good luck in finding something without automatic lighting, interior screen, $400 fob, auto unlock, lane departure warning....

Maybe you can get that in like a base, small SUV, but then you end up with a cheap drive train too. 

JFW

May 15th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^

Most have the screen I hate, and the fob I hate but it's closest. Also, the drivetrain I really like is AWD/Low range. I had that on my ZJ and now on my Commander. 

Maybe I'll look down south and see if there is a 20 year old ZJ with a 318 someone wants rid of.... ;-)

MDwolverine

May 15th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^

So I'm in the market for a new car and have been looking at options for about 6 months. My only real request is a compact/smaller SUV as I need the addtional space with 2 kids but don't like driving the larger SUVs.

My gripe is that they all suck. They all look the same. Which would be fine if that consistent appearance didn't suck. They all have this curved, modern look which just isn't my cup of tea.

My first car was a 2001 Jeep Cherokee and honestly if I could find one of those repurposed with today's technology I would overspend just to get it.

ijohnb

May 15th, 2018 at 12:27 PM ^

can tell you that my CRV has been extremely low maintenence.  I have had it since 2011, it has 150,000 miles on it and I commute 35 miles of city driving each way to work.  I have had to get new break pads and rotors twice, two new sets of tires, and fix a minor problem with the air conditioning, that's it.  The interior is spacious, and the hatch has a suprising amount of useable room as well.  It has very good gas mileage.  I can't speak as to the touch screen, bluetooth and yadayada because it is the model before that came standard. (I have heard the interiors on newer models are very nice and fairly intuitive).  I do recommend it though, it has been a very good small SUV for a family of four with gas mileage as a premium consideration.

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bringthewood

May 15th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^

I have 2 CRVs. My toaster looks better and may even be faster. But since my wife and daughter drive them I am okay with that.

We had a mid 2000s Murano that looked great at that time.

If i was buying I would have chosen a Subaru Crosstrek last time but my wife preferred the CRV

 

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4yearsofhoke

May 15th, 2018 at 5:39 PM ^

My CRV has been great no problems at 112k miles. However, the AC just blew out and everything online says it is most likely the compressor (very common issue) and will be a 1-2k job. Not sure what I'm going to do now since it's a 9k car. Might need to get a new car tbh if the dealer will give me a decent deal.

reddogrjw

May 16th, 2018 at 11:19 AM ^

are typically cheaper than a minivan

 

I bought a new 2017 Patriot last August for $18K

My youngest just bought a 2017 4x4 Renegade and she got her payment down to under $350 - she lives in Alaska so 4x4 is needed

The Donger

May 15th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^

reminders of shit I need to do - get 3 month service, check the washer fluid, close the door, music may be too loud.  

I get ordered around enough at work and by my wife - do I have to be told what to do in my only sanctuary, my drive to work?  Just ain't right...

MichiganFan1984

May 15th, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^

They are made cheap. Meaning no protection if in a collision, compared to older cars. I feel like I could bend the body on many cars and I’m not even strong. Near impossible to work on if you aren’t an expert or if you don’t have a lift. Older cars I could get at everything, now everything is jammed too close and you can’t get at it.

joeyb

May 15th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

The front and back are meant to crumple in very specific ways to absorb the force. The passenger area is meant to remain rigid to protect the passengers. The idea is to remove as much force on the passengers as possible as that's how you get whiplash and whatnot.

gobluem

May 15th, 2018 at 12:34 PM ^

Ironically, you have it precisely backwards

 

Back in the day, the rigid car didn't crumple - your body did. That wonderfully solid feeling body, nice hard dashboard, and rigid construction transferred all the energy to your nice soft fleshy body

 

Now the car crumples so your body doesn't

 

MMB 82

May 15th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

5-month old BMW without so much as even a scratch, I'd say they have worked it out pretty well. And my car was T-Boned by a Chevy Silverado that completely blew through a red light at an intersection. And btw- the driver was on a suspended license...

Rabbit21

May 15th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

I am with you on how hard it is to get at anything in the engine anymore, but given how everything is run by computer, does it even really matter, save for when you have to jump it?

Absolutely not with you on the crumple vs. rigid thing.

chrisu

May 15th, 2018 at 12:23 PM ^

Biggest gripe...for all the technology-forward functionality in today's new cars, OEM's lack the conscience, and NHSTA has yet to mandate the disabling of cell phones for the driver, save for actual use of the phone function via hands-free. There are aftermarket devices that one can plug into a vehicle's OBD port, so it surprises me that no entity has stepped up to that plate yet. My commute is 12-13 minutes of highway driving and 5 minutes of secondary road driving each way. I see people every day staring at their screens. This is my biggest car gripe.

PopeLando

May 15th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^

I'll echo the "needless complexity of controls" gripe. Things that used to be one button on the console are now 4 touches of a screen. This is extremely dangerous (requires you to look and concentrate on a screen) and annoying. Of course, I could just be getting older. Took me a while to get used to a digital speedometer, but now I really like it

Honker Burger

May 15th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^

Couldn't agree more. It's not a problem of getting older. Having to navigate to the 'Climate' screen just to change the head vs foot blower and then having to bring up an additional screen requiring more button presses to change the fan speed is infuriating. Not to mention the touchscreens aren't perfect so lagging is present. It is so much less efficient than quickly turning knobs/pressing buttons. Touchscreens are handy but keep the buttons also!

Kevin13

May 15th, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^

Cars these days have so much, I can't even figure out how to use most of it. They damn near drive themselves anymore with Intuitive Cruise Control and lane departure assist.

Cruzcontrol75

May 15th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

I’m driving a 2016 Volvo XC 60 T5. And I know from listening to a ton of other cars restart at stoplights that this is now a prevalent feature. How much fuel is actually saved? I can see maybe at RR crossings when stopped for a train but i normally shut my car off as they do in Europe when that rare occurrence happens. The problem with it is that when coasting sometimes, around 2-3 mph, the software decides to shut off the engine which is still engaged to the transmission. So it goes from a nice slow roll to abrupt stop. The Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive is much more refined as it shuts off the gas engine and continues under electric power quietly and flawlessly. The bigger problem is that when combined with the push button/keyless systems people are dying. They think the car is shut off in their garage. No engine noise then minutes later the car restarts especially if the HVAC system is on. The push button on the Volvo is confusing. Sometimes the car turns off when in P and the drivers door opens, but not always. Sometimes if I press the Start/Stop button that puts it in Accessory ON. So I can see how this can easily happen. I have left a Toyota Camry Hybrid running in my driveway due to the same issues. NYT: More than 2 dozen people killed by carbon monoxide after leaving on their keyless cars - CNN Money https://nyti.ms/2GbqkAj

ken725

May 15th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^

I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee as a rental that had that feature. It was the first car I have driven that had that so I thought it was a neat concept. I can see how that could get annoying if it is shutting off when you don't want it to. They really should make that a feature that you could turn on and off.