Amazon All or Nothing Michigan discussion
So I have been waiting for someone to post a discussion thread, and nothing has been posted yet unless I missed it. I know you all binge watched it, don't act like you didn't. So what did you think, did you learn anything you didnt know?
I thought it was great. Very well done, as bad as things went last year I expected this thing to be a terrible watch, I was wrong.
Some things I learned
1. Pep Hmilton was calling most of the plays? I figured he was more involved when Drevno came down from the booth but it seems like he was calling them.
2. Chase Winovich is friggin hilarious. He should be mic'd up every game
3.Wilton Speight did not come off great. Honestly I just don't think I would find him likable even if he was a good qb.
4. Don Brown is even more likable then I thought. The guys personality is awesome. Rare combo of being a really nice guy, funny, and the best D coordinator in the country.
What do you guys think? I don't think they could have done a better job with this special, really a great watch.
By not being John O'Korn.
Who were those wins gonna come against? The guy genuinely thought he was playing well those first few games. He said that they were ''efficient''.
msu for sure. i would like my chances against wisky and osu.
Nobody they put in there was gonna complete long passes in the rain against MSU. We're not even in the game against Wisconsin if Peters doesn't start. OSU they threw everything but the kitchen sink at them, maybe. But he wasnt hitting open receivers against teams with losing records, so I don't like his chances against OSU either.
He definitely wins OSU, no doubt.
The entire first half and the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half it was not raining. We scored 3 points in the first half. Everyone knew the storm was coming and that it would be difficult to catch up when it hit.
double post
I was mostly joking, but honestly I think OSU was the most winnable of the losses. JOK missed so many open receivers.
JOK is a great guy but he wouldn't have started in 2008.
I wasn't 10, bozo. I was 13 and remember every game.
Obviously we're talking hypotheticals here, but JOK had a great season as a pure freshman at Houston, showing a dynamic ability to run and throw. If he had been available with that background to RR in 2008, he would have chosen him over Sheridan and Threet in a heartbeat. Whether he would have been more successful at QB under RR than he was under Harbaugh is another question.
RR's system was to get up to the line quick, have RR and Magee make the read based on the defense, send that in, and have the QB run a specific play with usually 1 read. It's still complex, but JOK probably would have done well in the system. Throws were usually pretty short too. He would have probably been passed once Tata got there though.
The first thing you have to do in order to improve or correct a problem is acknowledge there is a problem. Speight does not do that. It showed me that it was definitely a good move to move on from him. He wasn't going to improve because he didn't think he had any areas in which he needed improvement.
You look at his stats first 7 games of 2016 and comapre them to anything he did after that they're night and day. He had 5 games where his QBR was in the nineties, one of which being in EL, and he didn't even come close to a 90+ QBR since the 2016 Maryland game.
not sure why people are enthused by Pep especially when Drevino is the run game coordinator and the run game was superior last season by a long shot especially when Higdon was productive at the last half of the season.
It was heavily edited considering Drevino left Michigan.
Drevino? Dude - you don't even know who he is! You did it twice!
But I do think Drevno was largely edited out. I've only watched the first three (so far), but in #2, against AF, I heard Harbaugh say "Drev, we need to crack them open with the run". The next play they showed was Higdon going for his 30-some yd TD run. So, while they don't show Drev doing much (and his demeanor may well be very different from Pep), I doubt he was as detached as its being portrayed.
in who Harbaugh wants in his ear calling the plays.
Just because it's Pep, doesn't mean that Drevno didn't contribute some or all of the CREATION of the play itself.
I'm sure JH wants one calm voice in his ear, that understands playcalling, and particularly, the abilities and moods of his QBs.
I agree with your editing point too, I don't think anyone can look at the limited screen time of Drevno and conclude it's beause he sucked, or had no input in the offense, etc.
Top moments for me:
1. Speight’s girlfriend telling him he didn’t really play that well. True transparency.
2. Realizing how much Pep actually mentors and means to the team.
3. Everything Don Brown. I wish we had that Dude when he was younger so we could have him for longer.
4. Helping me see how much more it means to them than it should mean to me. Seeing Gary sob after the MSU game really drove this home. I feel like I live and die with the team, but all I’m doing is watching (and spending way too much time on this site). No matter how low my lows are, it’s infinitely worse for the players and coaches.
It’s great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
Oh, I know what I'm doing tonight. MGoBinge.
No promises, this working on involves calling in a favor.
Consider shelling out $15 for a month of amazon prime (or whatever it is). If you want a season two, that is.
I think Jack, not Jim, should be giving the motivational speeches.
No wonder his defenses are elite year in and year out.
O’Korn loves to blame everyone around him. Tries to motivate and be the “good teammate” but clearly in over his head. Just not a good player on the field. Convinces Harbaugh he can do more than he actually can. Hurts the team as a result.
I would run through a fucking wall for Don Brown. Could/should be a head coach. Unreal charisma out of that guy.
Pep is a good dude. I feel the Amazon series downplayed Drevno just bc Michigan told them to.
Speight clearly took his injury hard. Can’t blame the guy but,bI feel he wasn’t there in 2017. Was NOT ready to lead this team to greatness. Clear physical limitations.
Larry Prout and Newsome episode will CRUSH your soul. Not great documentary work but just an unbelievable story. If you don’t have a feeling you’re not human.
More to come...
I just watched the Larry Prout and Newsome scene and all i can say is wow, you weren't wrong. In regards to Grant, I've always wanted him to be cleared and return but now, I want it even more now, for him.
I thought that as well and in the end I think maybe it's just that the director saw the same problems we all did and framed it that way.
Come on--there's no way Harbaugh and Warde could force the HBO documentary crew to cut the show to favor one coach over another AFTER production was over, all to justify coaching changes that knowledgeable fans all wanted.
I've worked in TV for a long time, and have worked on documentary's and long form content before. There are likely hundreds if not thousands of hours of footage to go through for this show. Drevno only officially left the program in late Feb. I highly doubt some sort of last minute edict came down from Michigan to cut scenes with Drevno and prop up Pep. The amount of time it would take to pull those scenes out, replace them with new ones, and still keep the flow and feel of each episode in tact would take an awful lot of work. Enough work that if I'm the production crew I liklely say no.
Plus Amazon is not in the business of creating Michigan propaganda. They're trying the create compelling entertainment.