Amazon All or Nothing Michigan discussion

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So I have been waiting for someone to post a discussion thread, and nothing has been posted yet unless I missed it. I know you all binge watched it, don't act like you didn't. So what did you  think, did you learn anything you didnt know?

I thought it was great. Very well done, as bad as things went last year I expected this thing to be a terrible watch, I was wrong.  

Some things I learned

1. Pep Hmilton was calling most of the plays? I figured he was more involved when Drevno came down from the booth but it seems like he was calling them.

2. Chase Winovich is friggin hilarious. He should be mic'd up every game

3.Wilton Speight did not come off great. Honestly I just don't think I would find him likable even if he was a good qb.

4. Don Brown is even more likable then I thought. The guys personality is awesome. Rare combo of being a really nice guy, funny, and the best D coordinator in the country. 

What do you guys think? I don't think they could have done a better job with this special, really a great watch.

Michigan4Life

April 7th, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^

hasn't been a real good coach in every stop he has gone. Everything he touches turns into shit. He ruined Andrew Luck at Indy which is hard to do considering he was highly regarded in the NFL. He hasn't done well in previous stops either so knowing is one thing but actually coaching and getting results are an another thing.

 

Remember Pep calls the passing plays and Drevino calls the running plays. Who got the better result? The running game which is a point in favor of Drevino.

xxxxNateDaGreat

April 8th, 2018 at 7:34 AM ^

You decision on Luck's best year and Luck's best year with Pep are both very similar and great seasons, so I don't know what your point was with that part of the comment. I'll grant you that his final year with Luck was great. Cleveland is historically where coaches and players go to get paid to ruin their career trajectory, so I'm not going to hold anyone's performance against them during those days. I'll grant you that his Michigan performance hasn't lived up to par so far. I'm not saying you are 100% wrong on Pep, you might be totally right, but I'm personally not convinced yet that he is the center of all of the offense's problems. I was sort of feeling during the season that there might be something off with the QBs and the Amazon series seems to be reinforcing that. The o line sucked at pass pro, Wilton had some early season mental struggles and never got the chance to break out of them cause of the injury, O'Korn's ability couldn't match his mouth, Peters seemed alright, but again, took several hits and got injured, one talented WR got injured real early and the other had typical true freshman mental errors... There were a lot of reasons for the offense to struggle this year. It felt a bit like Murphy's Law and the Amazon series hasn't done anything to dissuade that feeling.

Michigan4Life

April 8th, 2018 at 9:19 AM ^

49ers 2006:

Alex Smith < 60%, 16 TDs, 16 INTs

Bears 2007-2009

Griese: 61.5%, 10 TDs, 12 INTs

Grossman: <60%, 4 TDs, 7 INTs

Orton: < 60%, 18 TDs, 12 INTs

Cutler: 60.5%, 27 TDs, 26 INTs

Stanford 2011-2012

Andrew Luck: 71.3%, 37 TDs, 10 INTs

Nunes: < 60%, 10 TDs, 7 INTs

Hogan: 71.7%, 9 TDs, 3 INTs

Colts: 2013-2015

DVOA: 13th, 17th and 30th

Browns 2016

DVOA 30th

Not good. Luck was a Senior and a bondafide prospect by then. 

 

Also, Speight played like an All-B1G the season before and regressed badly the next season. That's on Pep

xxxxNateDaGreat

April 8th, 2018 at 9:41 AM ^

I'll concede your stats, but why are *all* of Speight's struggles solely on Pep? What about the young WRs and underachieving Seniors who couldn't get separation? What about the struggles of the oline? I'm not saying Pep is good, but he has had some success with Luck (which could absolutely be 99% on Luck) and there are other offensive coaches on the staff who clearly haven't been pulling their weight. I'm just not sure why you want to pin that all on one guy when almost every part of the offense struggled and underachieved.

Yost Ghost

April 9th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^

I'm sorry but I don't think Speight was the same after the Iowa game. What I saw at the beginning of the 2017 season looked about the same to me as what I saw at the end of the 2016 season.

In the 7 games he played (inlcuding Iowa & Purdue), 3 to close out 2016 and 4 to start 2017 he never had a QBR over 42.6. Prior to the Iowa game he had 7 games with a QBR of 73.4 or above with 5 in the nineties (including MSU). 

VicTorious1

April 16th, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^

Add the stats of the year immediate preceding and the year immediately following the years that Pep was there. These QBs (outside of Luck and maybe Hogan) were still shitty. In several instances they were more shitty the year before and after Pep left: Smith, Greise and a few others. So this doesn't show much. Do you think if Steve Kerr went to the Lakers they would be good? Hell, we already have that experiment. Luke Walton was the best coach (record-wise) the year he sat in for an injured Kerr. Walton ended up coaching the all-star game. His record has been shit at the Lakers. Is he a bad coach or does he have bad players?

Occam's Razor

April 8th, 2018 at 1:38 AM ^

Wilton really is the embodiment of rich white guy with all the privilege in the world without knowing it. Yikes. 

JOK's cockiness is just pointless given his lack of production. 

Peters, you there bro? 

 

Caff, Shea and Milton can't get to work quick enough. Addition by subtraction might actually be a thing with Speight and JOK. 

 

Harbaugh needs to work on his pregame/motivational speeches. No wonder the team comes out flat on offense. 

Wolverheel

April 8th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^

How the f*** does a football documentary give you powers to see Speight's life story and how "priviliged" he is/was? He's from Richmond Virginia, not exactly the epicenter of rich whiteness. And what the hell does his race have to do with his arrogance? What an ignorant comment.

dothepose

April 7th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^

It reminds me that next year our defense will be great. The QB situation looked disastrous from the first episode. Harbaugh seems to be scatter-brained and seems to garner confusing looks half the time. Don Brown makes me want to run through a cubicle. Also, he’s the only that swears, coincidence that our D is the best part of our team??

poppinfresh

April 7th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^

don brown's speeches are epic.  coach harbaugh came off as a family guy and one who definitely cares for his players, but some of the speeches were weird. not sure how holding a baby downstairs is like football? i dunno, it just seemed weird to me. felt like john and jack were better at getting the vibes right before a game.

best part of the show was karan and his daughter. what an outstanding young man.

vbnautilus

April 8th, 2018 at 2:00 AM ^

I agree, Harbaugh did not come off as a great motivator. 

However, I do think he came off as a good teacher. I think he is good at getting conceptual points across. The baby thing was wierd, but I understood what he meant about the importance of keeping the ball.

The scene where he was teaching the guy to snap the ball I think showed how good of a teacher he was in just getting across the fundamentals of how to do something. 

MWolverine7

April 7th, 2018 at 7:06 PM ^

I’m only through 4 episodes. Harbaugh does not come across detached to me (I think there were some folks who thought he may have been last year). He definitely takes the losses hard. Love Don Brown. His pre-game speeches are definitely loud and motivational. Definitely an opposite approach on the offensive side. Pep comes across more academic but he seems to be more emotionally involved than Drevno. I hope Warriner and Mcelwain can provide emotional outbursts when required. Wilton and John do not come off as leaders. Wilton dismisses criticism and John calls out other players when he’s screwing up just as bad or more.

VicTorious1

April 7th, 2018 at 7:11 PM ^

Kept wondering why no one started this thread or wondering if I'd missed the thread. Definitely a good series. It was difficult rewatching those losses, but it made me remember how close the difference is between a successful and a bad season. If we had a serviceable QB, our season is completely different. The coaches essentially expressed that in the show. It would be great for them to do it again next season. The story arcs were good. Karan's daughter is adorable. Rashan truly cares and got emotional about losses. Harbaugh really internalizes those losses. Pep came across pretty well. I would/will love to see him scheming with a QB that is playing competently. Chase is hilarious. Asking the Bearcats for the play: "Pass or run? Help a brother out." DPJ and Tarik look like the best WRs and they were true freshman. That's kinda sad, but encouraging for that position this year. Don Brown is a dude. Those speeches were like a general leading his crew into battle. The QBs didn't come off great. Speight's girlfriend gave him a dose of reality when she said "well you weren't exactly lighting it up" or something similar after he was complaining about the public's comments.

The Fan in Fargo

April 7th, 2018 at 9:30 PM ^

Show me the time when Speight ever lit it up. Even most often when the defense didn't give him games on the silver platter, he pissed them away. Kid is spoiled chump with a non winning mentality. Just doesn't have it or developed it. If Speight is under center against ND I'm not watching it. I know what he's capable of and what the outcome of the season will be already. 

DK81

April 7th, 2018 at 7:07 PM ^

But so far I still don’t understand the Speight hate. He was clearly are best qb and we would have probably won 2 or 3 more games if he stayed healthy.

Gained some respect for Pep. I’m more enthused about having him come back next year.

This show is already one of my favorite shows on tv right up with Game of Thrones. My GF has actually been watching it with me and really enjoying it too.

ldevon1

April 7th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^

Speight has no self awareness. He has no idea how bad he was, and needs his coach to tell him how to lead and rally the troops. His girlfriend knows he played bad, but figured if he can't figure it out, why should she help. Like everyone has previously said, neither QB has any redeeming qualities, and definitely lack basic leadership skills.

grumbler

April 7th, 2018 at 11:03 PM ^

Pep was lietrally feeding Speight the little pep talk lines to use on his players.  How does Speight not kno, just from watching his predecessors, what kinds of things a QB needs to say to his fellow players?