More likely to survive: Dantonio or Izzo?

Submitted by Human Torpedo on

For me, this is just a no-brainer. Izzo is only one who has built up enough equity with the university off the field (or court) via community and charity work to warrant a second guess on canning his ass. Dantonio appears even more tone-deaf and beligerant with how he's dealing with OTL report so one hint of evidence backing up the ESPN story could seal the deal for him

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MileHighWolverine

January 28th, 2018 at 10:22 AM ^

I just can't imagine that would ever happen. Self immolation to that degree is not something MSU will do willingly....and the NCAA has proven themselves toothless so why do it unless you have to? I get the strong feeling they will circle the wagons now that President and AD are gone and fight this tooth an nail. Look at PSU for christsakes...people will believe what they want to believe even in light of a damning evidence.

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throckman

January 28th, 2018 at 11:01 AM ^

Sports money and prestige are what built MSU over the last couple decades.  First from Izzo, then from Dantonio. 

Yes, MSU is an R1 university with an international reputation but if you look at their academic rankings, they have not moved up academically in the same time frame.  They were in the lowest tier of the B1G then, and remain there now.  MSU was and is a regional school.

The last two decades have been the worst in living memory for Michigan football. Beilein resurrected our hoops program, fortunately.  But our academic reputation remains unchanged: the second-best public school in the country after Berkeley, the best public school in the B1G, and second only to NWU, which is like comparing apples and oranges anyway. 

Don't kid yourself - Izzo and Dantonio run that school.  Take away Izzo's basketball success and Dantonio's football success and MSU has few truly prestigious programs.  As far as I know, the only MSU BoT members with Twitter accounts are Mitch Lyons and Brian Mosallam.  I scrolled through their tweets, and they simply do NOT talk about academics.  They both tweeted a lot after the latest football game and not at all after the latest basketball game.  Neither of them tweeted about MSU's #1 ranked nuclear physics program when those rankings were recently released.

Now, MSU is going to be hemmorhaging money from civil lawsuits.  These will run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.  MSU athletics is going to start losing sponsors and donors.  And whether they themselves are found directly culpable does not matter at this point - moving forward, Izzo and Dantonio are stained.  Winning does not matter in the eyes of anyone outside of East Lansing when it carries such a high cost.

I would be surprised if either stays.  If they do, then MSU's academic reputation will suffer for it.  It already has, in terms of their DO school.

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mgowill

January 28th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^

“The NCAA, which has promised its own investigation, needs to sit this one out and let the grown-ups handle it. The NCAA doesn’t have the relevant bylaws or mechanisms to properly punish the guilty. Its response to something like this would probably be to take scholarships away. That affects people who are currently in high school, not adults who bungled, ignored or deliberately cast aside reports of sexual violence. The people who handled these situations properly need to be retained and probably promoted. Those who handled them improperly need to be fired and possibly prosecuted and jailed.

Now, it's time for people with the power to do the prosecuting and jailing to start asking a lot of questions of a lot of people. And those people need to stop worrying about protecting Michigan State’s reputation. Michigan State’s reputation is already in tatters. The only way to rebuild it is to find the truth—however ugly it may be—root out everyone whose actions or inaction contributed to evil and start anew.”

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MFanWM

January 28th, 2018 at 11:39 AM ^

If Hollis had survived I would assume both would as well.

With Hollis and Simon gone, and the fireworks of the OTL stories and obvious civil cases (and potentially criminal with prosecutors and AG investigators) who wants to be the new President or AD and have those two still on board and defiant?

I just cannot see anyone wanting to take that on without a clean slate.

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bronxblue

January 28th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^

It'll be Izzo, especially since the most recent allegations were some time ago. But I don't see either being fired right now. People say the students showed a lot of heart calling for Simon to leave, but let's see how happy they are for two of their best coached ever to get the boot.

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JTGoBlue

January 28th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^

At this point, Dantonio may survive if he can demonstrate he was following process as the university required. Izzo, however, did not take reasonable action it appears with the 2010 incident. At a minimum, a head will have to roll to send a message, and it'll be time for Izzo to finally take a jump to the NBA.

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JTP

January 28th, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^

Ask Izzo the tough questions and don’t let up, he needs to answer a lot of tough questions but he won’t! He will have to answer when the investigators come and he’s under oath. Again got to believe both of the wives of Izzo and Dantonio are going to be asking is this worth it? Both coaches will be 62 this year gotta believe Izzo finishes the season and Dantonio has coached his last game already.

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UMfan21

January 28th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^

I don't see either one being forced out. however I don't see why people feel so strongly about Dantonio being first. Izzo is already about to retire most likely. for that reason I could see him stepping down first, if one was to do so.

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arhopp

January 28th, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

Neither one will be fired unless they are caught red handed.  I'm more interested in whatever sanctions come down from the NCAA.  Say they get some sort of post season ban and scholarship reduction imposed.  Both coaches are in their mid 60's.  Are they really going to hang around through all that to try to rebuild their programs? 

 

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Late Bluemer

January 28th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

He reminds me of the cockroaches and rats that survived the great Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event.

I don't think either go however much I'd like them both to rot in hell.

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GoBlueSouth

January 28th, 2018 at 12:48 PM ^

Has been a major problem in college athletics for 40 years or more and now it’s FINALLY being exposed like it should be. Look at Winston at FSU just a few years back. The Tallahassee police covered for FSU on numerous occasions. Look at PSU which is the worst just to win in football

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Perkis-Size Me

January 28th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^

Neither one of them unless there is indisputable, incontrovertible evidence that they were involved and opted to do nothing. Right now, in the most technical term, these allegations are just that: allegations.

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Jimmyisgod

January 28th, 2018 at 3:27 PM ^

Both will survive.  I hate them both, but I respect Izzo.  But that ESPN story has started to fall apart a little, and by a little, I mean alot.

Only thing either did that can really be seen as questionable is Izzo didn't suspend Payne and Appling while they were being investigated.

 

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Indy Pete - Go Blue

January 29th, 2018 at 9:25 AM ^

The media and the unaffiliated still want another pound of flesh. What happened at MSU is unfathomably terrible. I think Dantonio will be the final scapegoat to fall. His personality and arrogance make him the perfect target. 

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