Nassar Sentence: 40-175
The judge brings the hammer.
Judge sentences Nassar to 40-175 years. "I just signed your death warrant. You don't get it. You're a danger."
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) January 24, 2018
I believe a C-ya is in order.
January 24th, 2018 at 2:02 PM ^
and you and clarence are my favorite liberals, whether you like it or not.
beers on me!
January 24th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^
is a sentencing. She is not "advocating" for a side, she is sentencing a guilty defendant for henious crimes. Judges don't have to be "impartial" during a sentencing, facing the wrath of an angry Judge is part of the deal when you commit a crime that warrants it. It is not "unprofessional" for a Judge to be passionate about passing a sentence. It is fairly common, actually.
January 24th, 2018 at 10:40 PM ^
still has the ethicial duty to recure himeslf from practice if he is "unfit." he was/is "sick" and he knew it, yet he continued to use his position for for harm. He deserves no empathy.
January 24th, 2018 at 10:41 PM ^
Double post, post bang me!
January 24th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
I have to agree XM. I admired the way the judge handled the impact speeches as she was all about making sure those speaking were as comfortable as possible given the circustances. Those young ladies deserved her support as an advocate for the innocent as they said what they needed to say.
Today, though, I felt as though she went overboard in making the points she wanted to make. I think she might have had a whole bunch of pent up anger towards this sub-human fuck having spent countless hours dealing with his case. She is a human after all. Hell, I listened to only a few statements and would have no qualms doing way worse to him than what she did. I am no judge, however.
At the end of the day, though, there was some justice done. I expect there will be more to come. MSU took an absolute beating throughout these victim statements, especially from Rachel Denhollander, who shredded MSU in a most professional way. These girls are not going away, and I think a fair amount of media won't either.
January 24th, 2018 at 2:35 PM ^
January 25th, 2018 at 8:07 AM ^
While I understand the feelings that result in these kinds of opinions about her, it is truly sad that you, and countless others including our football coach, believe that Judge Judy is a judicial role model.
January 25th, 2018 at 1:05 AM ^
definitely took her time in dressing down OJ. Not that anyone should feel bad for OJ, but she did make that sentencing about herself.
What happened? 1 year later, she got a reality-TV gig!
Other judges no doubt have noticed that. The Aurora CO movie theatre shooter when he got sentenced, the judge made sure to say "Sheriff, get the defendant out of my courtoom now." Got him noticed.
January 24th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
January 24th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
I watched the judge's speech. She fucking dominated. Well done. Larry was just destroyed.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:11 PM ^
I'm not criticizing your comments, I just don't understand them. What did she dominate? This wasn't a game or war. There was not one side vs. another between the judge and Nassar. And how was Larry destroyed? He made horrific choices, was caught, and now will serve the punishment the law allows. He destroyed his own life (not to mention all of those girls and women), but no one destroyed him.
I want fair justice for people like Nassar, and hopefully all others who allowed this to happen, but the idea that someone must be destroyed and dominated just doesn't make sense to me. To me it feels like we take this tragically personal story of all these women and turn it into a game.
January 24th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
January 24th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^
Is castration seen as cruel and unusual? Seems fitting.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:00 PM ^
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January 24th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^
If, as is commonly asserted, the "procedure" that Nassar was typically carrying out on his victims is entirely appropriate and justified from a medical/sports medicine standpoint, how many other team doctors across the country are doing the same thing on a regular, routine basis?
And, given the incredible level of protection that Nassar's status as a doctor afforded him, how do parents and athletic dept administrators in charge of other gymnastics programs in the country know that it's not going on there as well?
If I was an AD anywhere in the country with a sports doctor taking care of the gymnasts attending my institution, I'd sure as shit be doing due diligence 10 times over just to make sure.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^
I don't think it's common practice, at all. Reference this passage:
"The American Osteopathic Association, which represents 110,000 physicians, told NBC News that while a "small number" of osteopathic physicians are trained to do intra-pelvic procedures, "it is not at all common."
"Thousands of patients, including large numbers of Olympians and other competitive athletes, get relief from [osteopathic manipulative treatment] and it’s extremely troubling to learn of the allegations against Dr. Nassar," the organization said."
That was from this story, written in Sept 2016.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
thanks for the info. It's been my suspicion from the get-go that the frequency of Nassar's "procedure" was all out of balance to the true necessity.
In other words, the medical justification was essentially horseshit PR to give Nassar license to molest these girls in a way that was just short of actual rape.
The thing that boggles my mind is that no nuclear alert-level alarm bells were going off in the brains of the adults who found out about his actions. They saw the prefix "Dr" in front of Nassar's name and simply turned off their suspicions.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
It is waaaaaay out of balance, but the fact that there was a medical procedure similar enough to his abuse provided a veneer of cover for his crimes and abused the trust people (particularly women) are encouraged to have in the medical profession. It is part of the monstrousness of what he did.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
Rachael Denhollander, who said she was abused by Nassar in 2000 and has filed a lawsuit against him, said she had physical therapy on her pelvic floor after the birth of her third child and "it was nothing like what Nassar was doing." Denhollander, like many alleged victims, claims Nassar never informed her of the procedure or asked for consent.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/02/what_was_portrayed_as_medic…
January 24th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^
Nassar should live all 100+ yrs of his sentences.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^
Why? I don't really like paying for him to rot in jail. I hope he dies broken, alone, and quickly.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^
If he dies quickly, then he hasn't suffered enough. And tough shit about your not liking to pay for his incarceration. It's part of being a citizen and paying taxes.
January 25th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
The hostility isn't necessary. This is just my opinion. I'm fine with paying taxes, but I'd rather have my taxes go toward, say, programs for sexual assault survivors than toward food and lodging for an old pedo.
January 25th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
Over 150 women and girls came forward to give their victim statements about the sexual abuse they suffered, and probably plenty more who are too traumatized to do so, but you bring up wanting him to die quickly because you don't want to pay for his incarceration. It's an opinion you could have kept to yourself.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
I don't really think saying "I hope he'll die" counts as being soft on crime or hurts his victims. You're welcome to feel that way, though.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
But now that Nassar is headed off to prison to rot, the media will begin turning its collective attention away from East Lansing ... Which, I am quite sure, is what MSU's BoT and Administration are counting on. There may be a few sparks when (if) the AG and/or NCAA get down to business.
But, I doubt it. If Izzo makes his way to the Final Four, what happened to gymnasts (and others) on LAS's watch will be a forgotten footnote.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^
It seems like that's what always happens, that the media moves on to the next raging fire, as it were, but in this case, I hope that this has begun some meaningful push from within the university, even at lower levels, to take up a continued cry for change and I hope that people remember this in November when the Board Of Trustees is up for re-election. Maybe doesn't make the news but once in a while, particularly as investigative results will come in fits and spurts, but I would hope that there is in all this a continued call for meaningful administrative and cultural change at Michigan State.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^
I'll tell you one thing that's not going away anytime soon: my absolute lockdown on taking any crap from any Sparties. About anything.
Not saying they are all complicit in Nasser's crimes, just that they will all be required, by me, to be humbled by this atrocity that has occurred at their school and to JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP about basically everything related to their school going forward indefinitely until I say when.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^
Honestly, who cares. This is so beyond the petty bickering that is sports trash talk as to make conflating the two absurd in the extreme.
January 24th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^
I'm conflicted myself. I honestly do not believe I could be a Michigan fan if this went on at Michigan for 20 years. Maybe I'd be able to lie to myself and convince myself it could be okay if everyone in charge was cleared out, but that hasn't happened at MSU. But everytime I see a Spartan hat or t-shirt in public I think, how? How are they still going on wearing that with pride?
At the same time, this isn't a free pass for Michigan. We still lost 8 of the last 10. They still won the B1G more recently. Have won a Rose Bowl more recently. Have been to a College Football Playoff. We have no bragging rights in football, and bringing up a case like this against their bragging rights is a disservice to the victims, imo.
January 24th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^
But I didn't say it was just about petty sports trash talk--though it certainly can include that too. It's about everything.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
I'd agree with you, but he still needs to go through sentencing in Eaton County, also. I don't when that is scheduled, but it will keep MSU in the spotlight until it completes. After that, yeah, I'll have to agree... The media reports what's now, not what was then.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
...somehow I kind of doubt the women in the case are going to let MSU and USAG off the hook so easily. We saw 6 days of gut-wrenching speeches from girls as young as 11. What we didn't see were the years of abuse by Nassar and the years of negligence and complicity by his enablers that drove them to this point. Now that they've been vindicated re: Nassar and are fighting in the court of public opinion with a 10035252-0 lead, they're just getting started.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:36 PM ^
That's partly why I'm so cynical. At the end of the day, Simon doesn't have to resign. She serves at the pleasure of the BoT; most of whom, I will assume, will go on to win re-election when their seats are up. Only two are up this November, and at least one is already saying he won't run again.
But that's window dressing. November 2018 is still a long way off. The events of the past week will become overshadowed by election news of candidates far above university governing boards.
Nothing that I have seen from the MSU Administration, nor its Board of Trustees, gives me any confidence whatsoever that they will "do the right thing," (which, to be honest, ought to be seppuku).
Don't think for a moment that those highly-compensated attorneys advising the university administrators haven't already considered those points, and advised their client(s) accordingly.
January 24th, 2018 at 6:35 PM ^
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January 24th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
January 24th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^
We all know he is an evil man who got what he deserved.
That said, I feel the Judge is being almost too celebrated. Unneccesarilly dramatic and over-the-top at many instances.
She Can speak with the sentence that she was going to give no matter what -- doesn't need the circusy, almost entertaintment-centered tone.
Sorry, just being honest -- don't see what is gained from all of the color.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
They should paint a maize halo (complete with footballs and numerals) in his cell, with quotes from his sentencing hearing. That could survive an 8th amendment challenge in court.
Probably.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
January 24th, 2018 at 1:11 PM ^
which is accountability at USAG (it's started) and at MSU (not so much). The communities and victims should use this as a springboard for personal and institutional accountability and change. The open letter (freep warning) is a good summary of why Nassar's life imprisonment is a necessary first step, but only a first step.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2018/01/24/l…
January 24th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
That I have ever seen.
The prosecuter was incredibly brilliant in her lengthy commens to the judge. There was nothing that she left out regarding the entire process.
The defense attorneys.......public defenders.....provided comments that were difficult to present under these circumstances. It was painful to listen to his comments regarding some sick deuchebag anonymously threatening to kill the children of Nasser's attorneys.....part of the sickness enveloping our country. Ignorant of the constitutional right to defend every citizen.
Then the judge...reading the ridiculous letter that Nassar sent and explaining every aspect of the sentencing.
It's great to see the justice system work in this manner. The courageous young ladies lost their innocence but witnessed one of the best aspects of being an American.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
Yes, I mentioned this last week to some friends: If we really want to change the culture in our country and address sexual assault, etc we should require everyone watch those statements. So painful, and so detailed. After a couple of hours I couldn't take it any more. I thought I could empathize for those women, but I discovered I truly didn't have the full understanding of how it impacted them and their families long term.
I am glad they each got to explain their story and I hope people take it to heart and ensure there are no more Larry Nassars again. And, if people hear/see allegations, take the victims word and DO SOMETHING about it. We all have to be better.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
This trial came and went without much media attention until the victims started to speak during sentencing. It was only then that the national and begrugingly, local, media started really giving this story the coverage it deserves.
Nationally this is still a story about the US Gymnastics Dr, not the MSU employee Dr, who did these terrible things but at least it's FINALLY getting the attentiion it deserves. But only after the victims used the platform the judge (and God bless her) to confront him face to face.
Here's to the courage of those women.
Here's to the fortitude of the judge.
January 24th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^
well said.
January 25th, 2018 at 8:04 AM ^
Yes, except there wasn't a trial.
Said by a lawyer who I would speculate has never had a criminal case.