Source: Kevin Tolbert not to return as S&C Coach
From the Sporting News and the twitterz:
December 13th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:41 AM ^
FWIW, the hyperlink says "fired". Also, Harbaugh did mention that his team needs to be a stronger after the Ohio State game.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:40 AM ^
Very interesting. Still found it weird that he was Harbaugh's 2nd pick for the job when they had been toghether through two jobs. I guess coach was looking for something else, went with what he thought was a proven commodety when that didn't work & now wants to try again with his original plan?
December 13th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
if I recall correctly.
Maybe he's looking to make a move now. He's from WV originally.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
who seemed on the verge of accepting the job. There was even a hello post for him here.
Tolbert worked under Turley at Stanford. While Tolbert has a good reputation and Harbaugh was familiar with him, he was even more familiar with Turley. Jim brought him to Stanford from San Diego, Turley would have been a home run hire. Too bad we couldn't pry him away from Stanford.
December 13th, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^
So I searched for Turley & found the old Hello post.
http://www.mgoblog.com/content/hello-shannon-turley-strength-conditioni…
I then left for a while & came back to that open on the computer & thought "WOW! GOT HIM!" before realizing I had not closed that old story I had read an hour ago.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 11:40 AM ^
You can go ahead and put the /s there, but Mone has not impressed, either in strength, stamina or leverage.
I'm sure there are others I'm not even aware of, but Turley sounded GREAT during the original staff hiring process, hope it's him!
December 13th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
The Sporting News article I read framed this as Harbaugh making a change, not Tolbert leaving for another position. If that's the case, that seems a bit odd.
Tolbert has been Harbaugh's S&C coach the past NINE seasons. Last two years at Stanford, 4 years in the NFL with San Francisco, and these past 3 seasons here. Seems like you'd be firmly within the Circle of Trust after that length of time. Can't imagine what it would take to get yourself fired.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
No mention of Mike Barwis.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^
Scroll up, it's there.
December 13th, 2017 at 3:22 PM ^
As per the usual....people only read a little ways into a post and then make the same comments that were already posted.
December 13th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^
Love that guy...and his staff.
But he aint coming back to college to coach .... his business is boomin'....and he is on a much different career path now.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
That's what I was implying. Plus, he is/was a cult phenomenon to many of us and had his own TV show in which a few UM players starred.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^
The catastrophic injures probably aren't the issue. Speight's broken vertebrae, Peters's concussion, and Black's broken foot probably couldn't have been prevented by simply being a little stronger.
The more pressing issue is that our offensive linemen are getting worked.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Lewan, Molk, Omameh, and Schofield from the Oline all have been starters in the NFL. For you star watchers that's a four star, two three stars, and a two star.
December 13th, 2017 at 11:21 AM ^
Lewan and Schofield redshirted in 2009. Lewan started playing in 2010 and then got really good under Brady Hoke and Aaron Wellman. Schofield saw the field even later and didn't become a factor until 2011, IIRC. Molk spent five years at Michigan, including just three under Rodriguez/Barwis. So how much is Barwis really responsible for them? Does he deserve credit for Schofield when Schofield only actually played during the three years when Barwis was gone?
I'm not saying Barwis wasn't a factor for Molk, Omameh, and even Lewan/Schofield, but Barwis's impact can be questioned.
Personally, I attribute the success of Omameh/Molk more to a) their talent and b) Greg Frey, since Frey has been a good OL coach at WVU, Indiana, etc.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^
I don't think Barwis would be a good fit, and we had injury problems when Barwis was at Michigan. I don't really want him back. He seems like a good, smart guy, but I don't think he's what we want.
December 13th, 2017 at 12:02 PM ^
Barwis should not be a strength coach. He's a good gym owner, he can train people independently, but other strength coaches don't respect him very much. He's a very divisive person in the S&C community, and I think most think he is a lunatic. I do not think his methods are good for a football team.
As long as our next guy doesn't retain Naylor, I'm good. I hated that dude, and can tell you he was pretty divisive too.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:07 AM ^
This was my first thought as well, that JH doing whatever it takes to get the O line up to a mauling, manball level that just didn't seem to be happening fast enough or at all.
December 13th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
I think this has to do with the OL. Watching other teams completely overpower opposing defenses has been frustrating as a Michigan fan, especially considering the level of talent on our team. Maybe Harbaugh thinks the main issue is conditioning as opposed to scheme.
Maybe we should hire Wisconsin's guy?
December 13th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^
The OL could drop the blade and push, so it doesn't seem like brute strength is the problem. It seemed like the missing assignments and stunting killed us. Not sure Tolbert had as much responsibility there.
December 13th, 2017 at 12:20 PM ^
This get's to the very heart of this debate, strength vs scheme:
It's Wiscy's OL coach I'D like to hire, more than their S&C
December 13th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
Wasn't Tolbert a pretty highly regarded guy coming? I remember reading that he was a well respected S&C coach prior to coming to Michigan.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:01 AM ^
Not a position you want vacant for any length of time. I'm thinking he already has some strong candidates in mind. If our OL is going to take the next step, he may feel this is part of the solution.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^
To Scott Cochran's house in Tuscaloosa. He's got 18-22 year olds looking like 30 year old men with 2 kids and a mortgage. Show him the money and bring him north.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^
That would take some serious cash -- but I'd be all for it.
December 13th, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
Said he made $420,000 last year, I would think raising that to $700k or so would lure him. Kirby Smart tried to take him with him to Georgia but Saban upped his pay. If Michigan can afford to pay Drevno/Hamilton $2 million combined it surely can pay an S&C coach to keep its players in top shape
December 13th, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^
I think some of those Alabama "kids" are or have literally been 30 year old men.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 11:35 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^
....for some of those "kids" I guess elementary school was probably the hardest 10 years of their life.
December 13th, 2017 at 10:32 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^
Yeah, but would JH approve of the "questionable" substances that I'm sure they use down there?
December 13th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^
It's a pretty common belief that Harbaugh himself introduced special vitamins to Stanford
December 13th, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^
"He's got 18-22 year olds looking like 30 year old men with 2 kids and a mortgage."
You mean tired and cranky?
December 13th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^
IFYOUKNOWWHATIMTALKINGABOUT.
December 13th, 2017 at 2:14 PM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^
Yeah well, it's not the S&C coach you need to show the money if you want players like bama's -
it's the players!
Also, probably roided up!
December 13th, 2017 at 10:16 AM ^
December 13th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
There is a head strength coach at ULL that does a great job and worked at michigan previously.
https://twitter.com/LewisCaralla?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp…;