Three Michigan State Players Officially Named, Charged
The three Michigan State players involved in the alleged sexual assault from January have been named and officially charged. The players are Josh King, Donnie Corley and Demetrius Vance. Story below.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/06/06/sexual-a…
If content going around Twitter this AM is true, then these players are going to jail. There is no room for jokes. These guys not only ruined a young woman's life, but their own.
Bye, Felicia
Wasn't that Barry Switzer's quote after the Cowboys tore up thier training camp hotel? Or was that Switzer's quote after his Sooners pointed/shot guns in thier campus dorm?
I thought Jimmy Johnson said it in Miami (YTM)?!
DId she say that?
1 + 10 = 11. Pretty sure there are 12 games these days. Yep, she's a Sparty.
if Jim harbaugh coaches at Michigan." - Jemele Hill
Talk about a couch fire..
Curious to see how Graham Couch spins this as a witchunt because they went 3-9.
Baylor. Baylor was a decade-long, systematic cover up involving administration, coaches, police.
Hate Dantonio all you want, this was a case with three people doing something horrible, and Dantonio handled this as well as you could from an administrative standpoint.
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No, but this makes 4 players potentially facing serious jail time for sexual assault this offseason alone. Combine that with all of the other stuff that has happened to them this offseason and it's looking like more than just isolated incidents of college kids being stupid.
At Least MSU got a written report that can be read and examined and show some accountability. What did Baylor do again.....?? Just not even a close comparison as to what is going on in Waco in my view....
Trust me Stringer.....This has nothing on Baylor. Keep in mind there are 9 Title IX Lawsuits currently going on against Baylor. They have been through at least two Title IX Coordinators since this started and they quit/resigned because they got NO cooperation from the Baylor Administration. This also doesn't take into account the recent allegation that Freshman Football players had an initiation where they assaulted one of the Volleyball players at a party and filmed it and that was swept under the rug. Baylor has a serious cloud above it at least in the eyes of a lot of people here in Texas.....
Maybe.
But the point remains. This is so far short of what Baylor did. I've heard that comparison brought up more than it should be.
UNTIL THE END??? The staff wanted Corley bad. You can't just say that MORK should be held accountable for recruiting him when every team in the country would've taken him last year. Utterly ridiculous. If he ended up at Michigan, then according to your logic, Harbaugh should be punished for recruiting him. Ridiculous
Good or bad. College kids (most people for that matter) go with the crowd. If you have a few guys rough around the edges amonst a bunch of good dudes, the good guys will tend to keep them in line. If the other way around, and you have some good guys amonst a bunch of bad, good luck trying to keep the good guys good.
Dantonio and MSU appear to have done everything they could do properly after these crimes came to light, but there is now a preponderence of evidence that Dantonio has lost control of his lockerroom. Part of the success he has been able to build is due to his (and Narduzzi's) promotion of a football culture that breeds a chip on the shoulder toughness bordering on thuggery ("we try for unneccesary roughness on every play"). This served them well for a time but now the chickens are coming home to roost.
which is completely wrong. Everything I read says that once confronted with the information, he immediately did exactly what he is supposed to do. There is nothing in his background or in fact MSU's background that says anything different, or says that they have a culture that encourages this behavior. Now, it's possible (I'm not buying it but it is possible) that he's lost the locker room as you say. But that is far different.
too much MSU and Mork love running in this sub-thread. Never in a million years would they show us the same deference. Until I learn otherwise I am believing that all hell is breaking loose and Dontono has lost the program.
it right there. I have heard just about enough from every single local media outlet about the "class" Mark Dantonio and Tom Izzo and how they are just "stand up guys" etc. etc. etc., when the facts and the history of their respective tenures and the track records of their players and former players do not back up that narrative.
If this happened at Michigan, it would not matter what Harbaugh did or did not do and/or how quickly he did it, he would be skewered for the atmosphere he had created and what happened on his watch, both locally and nationally. Both Dantonio and Izzo have been looking the other way regarding disciplinary issues for some time now and they have been allowed to, (while Michigan was on probation for stretching) and now the chickens are coming home to roost.
Michigan State fans have been unbearable for the last seven years, never missing an opportunity to kick us in the face while we are down. There should be no life jackets being thrown from this side of the aisle right now.
would never get it.
You are correct regarding what would happen on RCMB (in fact, they are ridiculously trying to make the Grand Perry case the equivalent of their situation).
In the end, who cares what a bunch of random anonymous internet trolls at RCMB would do. That is not the standard that I hold myself to - I believe in the Michigan Difference and while I certainly have failed that standard from time to time, it is what I strive for.
That's the Michigan difference (deference). We're able to make rational judgements.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen that Al Pacino is going to star as Joe Paterno in a movie. I think the title is "We are Ped State."
took too long on my soapbox :)
Yep...just reading the Brad Hawkins Hello Post where there is a link to an article about Harbaugh's recruiting style..and do you remember this doozy:
Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio and recruiting coordinator Curtis Blackwell both tweeted: “The righteous shall prevail,” though Dantonio quickly deleted it.
That was in reference to allegations that Harbaugh was pushing guys out of his first class for better talent.
He's been a virtual anti-UM quote machine since arriving at MSU.
So yeah..enough with the MD love....that guy has run an errant program for some time. Tons of off and ON field incidents, plus the whole PED cloud floating over EL since he arrived.
I definitely agree with others that Dantonio has done what he should have done throughout this horrible mess, but I think that this is actually an interesting question, the locker room / culture question. I guess I'll put it like this - has the thrust of the culture which Dantonio created in order to propel success at MSU actually made them vulnerable to these problems, particularly in the absence of success in a given season?
...has mark dantonio's desperation to beat michigan led him to recruit guys he would not have previously pursued? i can't help but think he wouldn't have taken these guys in the past.
let's be honest here - he's *never* responded well to the heat being turned up.
Agree. I believe their culture, for the most part, is/was broken. Way too many things happened to be "isolated incidents". You can go back to when Bullough didn't play in the Rose Bowl and MSU never said why.
and the team went and beat up a dorm full of students.....and when he drove a player from jail to the practice field, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
and add that 5th player (Mumphrey) who was accused and tossed from school after his eligibility had elapsed.
Very true. But, throw in the Roberston case, and it does seem like their is a systemic issue that is not being handled. Agree, that Dantonio handled this as well as he could, but four players in 4 months charged with sexual assault?
Not enough information to know that. Dantonio doesn't make people commit criminal acts (or, at least, nobody thinks he has). It is worth asking questions about Robertson, who was already in trouble before he came to MSU; but if Corley, King, and/or Vance were guys who had clean records and no remarkable indications of trouble, bringing them into the program isn't on Dantonio.
Now, perhaps they had already seen guys get away with stuff that Dantonio didn't confront. That would, hopefully, be revealed by thorough media investigations. If so, that could level blame on Dantonio. But if there was no such issue in the football program, then they acted abusively on their own, and the the program can't do anything about that.
My hope is that a thorough investigation will reveal whether or not there has been a culture of failing to confront infractions that could lead football players to believe that they can basically do what they feel like without consequence. It's possible that there has been such a culture; it's also possible that there hasn't. But the stuff that has happened this offseason at least warrants a serious look to see if there's fire underneath all this smoke.
Agreed. Yossarian (above) had a nice take on why some of this may be occuring that I really liked. Not saying this is absolute truth or that daming Dantonio is the right move, but there is something to the culture there.
Part of the success he has been able to build is due to his (and Narduzzi's) promotion of a football culture that breeds a chip on the shoulder toughness bordering on thuggery ("we try for unneccesary roughness on every play"). This served them well for a time but now the chickens are coming home to roost.