DrMantisToboggan

December 4th, 2016 at 12:03 AM ^

We won 5 games 2 years ago. Yes this team could have and should have gone 12-0, but let's not lose sight of how fast Jim has this program returning to national power. This won't be Jim's most talented team. Let's go get an 11th win in a prestigious bowl game, and then sign a top 3 class.



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WorldwideTJRob

December 4th, 2016 at 9:39 AM ^

I don't know, we aren't complete but this roster was stacked! Lewis and Peppers might be generational players and we had both at the same time paired with a dominant D-Line. Throw in Butt, Chesson and Darboh on offense. Unless he recruits the equivalent of the fab 5 in upcoming years, I don't know if we'll see more polished talent than we had this year. Not saying he can't win more games but this year was special.



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WinThyGame

December 4th, 2016 at 12:09 AM ^

Even though I think we are truly a top 4 team this year, we didn't take care of business when it mattered. Obviously wanted the CFP, but I can't be too pissed with an Orange Bowl and the opportunity to embarass an ACC team.

Oh and fuck Iowa. 

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Jevablue

December 4th, 2016 at 12:05 AM ^

If their job is to come up with the best possible challenge for Alabama, then Michigan has a chance, although Washington seems to have a better than reasonable argument for the 4th slot.  

Penn State has no argument to jump M, in no universe can you come up with 39 pts worth of rationalization.

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ChalmersE

December 4th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^

Clemson's non-conference schedule did include Auburn, but it also included Troy, South Carolina State and South Carolina.  Better than UW's but nothing to write home about. They also could have easily lost 3-4 games.  If I were on the committee, I'd be having a Michigan-OSU rematch and a UW-Alabama game. I suspect that result would match most of the computers' numbers.  Sagarin, for example, has it that way.

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crg

December 4th, 2016 at 12:14 AM ^

You are focusing too much on one game. By record and accomplishments (i.e. division and conference titles) they should get the nod above us (and rightfully OSU). However, I agree that UM would beat them again if played on neutral field right now (not by 39 points, but not close). Look at PAC also- USC beat both UW and CU (and probably would again upon rematch) but they did not do enough to be ranked ahead

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DHughes5218

December 4th, 2016 at 12:39 AM ^

The best team doesn't always win. Fluke plays, turnovers, bad breaks, 4th down spots, so that's why you look at the entire season, resume, and overall record. You wouldn't argue that Iowa is better than we are, so you can't assume PSU is better than OSU. So there's no way PSU should go in ahead of OSU. You also can't ignore a 39 point win. If a team wins by 39 points, they are better than their opponent. I can't imagine any argument that would put PSU ahead of us.

 

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SeattleWolverine

December 4th, 2016 at 12:05 AM ^

I'll watch because I care about Michigan football more than I should. But can't get excited about this disappointing outcome. Interest level is like...4/10. Hard to convince myself this is exciting when we were so close to truly meaningful games. 

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Ty Butterfield

December 4th, 2016 at 12:06 AM ^

Still don't think OSU deserves to be in over the one team that beat them but they get all the breaks. Just shows the conference title games are meaningless joke.

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SpikeFan2016

December 4th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^

They have had a ton of success in the past 25 years, won a national championship 3 years ago and are one of the two flagship programs in the third most populated state in America (a state that also has the best recruits). 

 

I'd say FSU vs. Michigan is definitely a big name matchup. 

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Brodie

December 4th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^

Florida State was an also-ran because Florida was just beginning it's meteoric rise to being the powerhouse of a state it is today. The rise of the Florida programs in the eighties was a demographic inevitability, which is why it's schools immediately accomplished more in 30 years than most had in 100. For better or worse, unless you are 75 years old Florida State has been Empower program for most of your life. And if your criteria is who was good the longest time ago you should be watching Army vs Minnesota.

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crg

December 4th, 2016 at 1:53 PM ^

Does that qualify FSU as a "historic powerhouse" though?  I would say no, since IMHO that would entail modern success (last 25-30 years or so) as well as more long-term success (at least 50 years, but for those that can claim 100+ years that's even better).  Thus, there should only be a few historical powerhouses since the context of that phrase is intended to be highly disriminating anyway.

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SeattleWolverine

December 4th, 2016 at 12:57 AM ^

That would be great. Add us, PSU, WI and USC or Oklahoma. USC is better but OK would get in off of their 2 losses and conference championship. Honestly, the margin between the teams that get in in UW/OSU/Clemson and those left out like M/WI/PSU/USC is pretty thin and just a few plays here or there. 7 games of playoff football instead of 3. 

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MGolem

December 4th, 2016 at 12:07 AM ^

Fucking pissed tomorrow. That is for sure. Best 4 teams: Alabama, Michigan, OSU, and Washington (Clemson looks shaky week in and week out). Either way OSU should drop to fifth. They benefitted two years ago when TCU looked great but wasn't crowned Big 12 champ outright. Maybe time for the universe to right itself.

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