Speight vs Rudock: a statistical comparison through 6 games
With the bye week coming up and us having reached the half-way point in the season, I thought this would be a good time to stop and reflect over our quarterback's progression so far. During the Rutgers game, Speight was referred to as a "game manager" a number of times, despite having some impressive games this season statistically. There's also been a lot of talk on this board regarding where he is at this point relative to where Rudock was at after the 1st half of last season. Below is a comparison of their stats, as well as our opponent's records and our strength of our schedule over 6 weeks:
RUDOCK | ||||||||||
2015 | Cmp | Att | Pct | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | TD | Int | Rat | |
1 | Utah | 27 | 43 | 62.8 | 279 | 6.5 | 4.3 | 2 | 3 | 118.7 |
2 | OR St | 18 | 26 | 69.2 | 180 | 6.9 | 5.2 | 0 | 1 | 119.7 |
3 | UNLV | 14 | 22 | 63.6 | 123 | 5.6 | 4.5 | 1 | 1 | 116.5 |
4 | BYU | 14 | 25 | 56 | 194 | 7.8 | 8.6 | 1 | 0 | 134.4 |
5 | Maryland | 16 | 32 | 50 | 180 | 5.6 | 4.8 | 1 | 1 | 101.3 |
6 | NW | 17 | 23 | 73.9 | 179 | 7.8 | 7.8 | 0 | 0 | 139.3 |
106 | 171 | 62.0 | 1135 | 6.6 | 5.6 | 5 | 6 | 120.4 | ||
season | 249 | 389 | 64.0 | 3017 | 7.8 | 7.7 | 20 | 9 | 141.5 | |
W-L thru 6 | 5 | 1 | ||||||||
SOS thru 6 | 22nd | |||||||||
opp W-L | 20 | 14 | ||||||||
SPEIGHT | ||||||||||
2016 | Cmp | Att | Pct | Yds | Y/A | AY/A | TD | Int | Rat | |
1 | Hawaii | 10 | 13 | 76.9 | 145 | 11.2 | 12.3 | 3 | 1 | 231.4 |
2 | UCF | 25 | 37 | 67.6 | 312 | 8.4 | 10.6 | 4 | 0 | 174.1 |
3 | Colorado | 16 | 30 | 53.3 | 229 | 7.6 | 8.3 | 1 | 0 | 128.5 |
4 | Penn St | 21 | 34 | 61.8 | 189 | 5.6 | 6.1 | 1 | 0 | 118.2 |
5 | Wisconsin | 20 | 32 | 62.5 | 219 | 6.8 | 6.1 | 1 | 1 | 124.1 |
6 | Rutgers | 6 | 13 | 46.2 | 100 | 7.7 | 9.2 | 1 | 0 | 136.2 |
98 | 159 | 61.6 | 1194 | 7.5 | 8.3 | 11 | 2 | 145.0 | ||
W-L thru 6 | 6 | 0 | ||||||||
SOS thru 6 | 18th | |||||||||
opp W-L | 20 | 14 |
First off, I was surprised to see that our strength of schedule ranked 22nd in the nation after 6 weeks last season, and 18th this year after 6 weeks (I thought it would have been much higher last year). Our opponents' records at this point in the season are an identical 20-14.
Rudock made impressive improvement over the course of the season, but it's interesting to note that Speight's stats are closer to Rudock's overall 2015 season stats than they are to his 6 week stats, which I think says a lot about where we're at and his command of the offense.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 2:13 PM ^
In my personal opinion, game experience is way more valuable. I think Speight has the ability to have a better season than Rudock did. He just needs more in-game reps to get more comfortable. There's just nothing to base it on.
I also may be a little biased because I'm on the full speed hype train for this season, and don't plan on coming down.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^
IMO, Rudock's experience overall and inexperience with the system in particular is a formula for the slow start, big finish performance he had last year.
Speight's development is going to be slower, but his floor is already higher. The bye week will hopefully be a good chance for them to tighten up his mechanics a bit. I can only assume stuff like that starts to slip a bit through the season since you have to devote so much of your allotted time to game planning each week.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
I agree, this can't be used to predict further progression by Speight. That being said, it's encouraging that Speight has done better against statistically similar competition with many of the same teammates surrounding him on offense.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:15 PM ^
Oh definitely. Thanks for taking the time to compile the data.
October 10th, 2016 at 8:48 PM ^
was awful in the first six games. Atrocious. Something like 100th out of FBS QBs. So the bar was very low for Speight to be doing better at this point. Appreciate the analysis, though. Certainly interesting, but doesn't really mean much at this point.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^
Given this is W. Speight's first year as a starter, his stats are pretty good. As Michigan has become a better team the expectations for Speight have gotten higher and some of the fans patience a little lower, but he has thrown some really nice long TD passes on a dime, and asTrue Blue Grit states, his TD to Int. ratio is solid. (even better after his first pass as a starter). If the QB Whisperer Coach Harbaugh can mentor Speight to half the progression of Rudock it will be a very successful year for Wilton and the team, especially with our outstanding defense.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:12 PM ^
I was thinking about this comparison myself. This is the perfect time for this analysis. We'll see if Speight's trajectory follows Rudock. I don't think it can, because Rudock played almost flawlessly during the latter half of last season. I've had a few "uh-oh" moments with Speight dropping back, although I had similar thoughts during the 1st half of last year's season.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^
Just curious where you took Strength of Schedule from. Obviously it will be different from place to place. Sagarin has us at 41 so far this year.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:21 PM ^
I had a hard time finding Sagarin rankings from week to week (could find the cumulative rankings for 2015, and the current rankings for 2016, but not the week to week for a 6 week comparison), so I used this site:
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other
October 10th, 2016 at 2:18 PM ^
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October 10th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^
Lol, no he was 27-43. I copied the completions incorrectly but the percentage was still correct. I have everything in a spreadsheet but couldn't copy and past the entire thing over because the site reformats it and makes it too big (which is interrupted by the ads on the page), so I had to copy each cell one by one :-)
October 10th, 2016 at 3:00 PM ^
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October 10th, 2016 at 2:22 PM ^
This is a really useful post. Promote to Diaries?
I would like to see DSR on the chart, too.
A few struggles with accuracy against CU and Penn St, and risky throws against Wisky don't outweigh his excellent pocket presence, and overall results. As his comfort level returned post the hit vs Colorado he has continued to develop his response to pressure, with some mixed results play to play, but overall positive results as far as protecting the ball are concerned, as well as being able to move it.
We can live with this, and it will probably continue to improve. After watching OSU founder against TEAMCHAOS yesterday, I'm starting to believe this UM team, with this QB on his current trajectory, will win in Columbus. I still feel like I'm on a very high precipice believing that, but I'm there.
The coming weeks will confirm or deny my delusion.
October 10th, 2016 at 4:48 PM ^
I replied to StephenJrViking (that's what I call him) above with the first 5 games DSR values. Speight's are a little better, but he has much fewer throwaways. That's on the offensive line as much as it is on the QB.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:23 PM ^
Main stat that matters: 6-0
October 10th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^
Great post, thanks for putting it together....
One tiny correction. I believe that our third game last year was against UNLV, not Nevada.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^
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October 10th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^
I don't agree that 6-13 against a historically bad Rutgers team is B-level work. He should have been picking them apart.
October 10th, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
Early in the game, it was like a sidways rain. Not too mad about it.
October 10th, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^
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October 10th, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
THE SHOW!!
October 10th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^
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October 10th, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^
Speight has another two years under Harbaugh, and is already showing some Big Ben attributes... he is gonna be a good NFL QB, and it'll be him that restarts the QB pipeline.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
I expected Speight to be further along at this point than he is. Rudock was fresh into the system and campus. Speight is not. His rating is also more erratic that Rudock's through six games and it buoyed by a huge (or is it tremendous?) number from the Hawaii game that he's not come anywhere close to since.
I think we can win the next five games with him as-is. But with a shakey O line, especially at left tackle, and Speight as-is, I don't see how we score enough points to beat OSU unless the defense plays out of its mind *and* scores. OSU is going to stack the box, stuff the run, and dare us to beat them passing.
So I'm counting on some bye-week QB whispering :)
October 10th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^
Was a 5th year senior bud. His transition from a pro-style Iowa to a pro-style Michigan with that much experience is not all that challenging.
Speight is basically getting his first year of real experience.
October 10th, 2016 at 10:27 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^
Clemson & Michigan have the same amount of total yards - 2820
A lot of people consider Clemson having a high powered offense.
Clemson has run 227 more plays to obtain their 2820yds
MI yards per play - 6.35
CU yards per play - 4.20
So for all the people saying we need a better QB/Offense to win it, I feel the team will be able to compete with anyone, especially when they have the best defense in the land.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:45 PM ^
Thanks for the stats. It is nice to see, and a reflection of the improvement in the offensive line as well. What is more important to me, however, is that he continues to improve. Continued improvment is the hallmark to Harbaugh's approach. Plateaus can happen. Here's to hoping that it doesn't.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:46 PM ^
Stats aside, I was more impressed with Rudock through 6 games than I am Speight. Rudock did a lot of technical things better (footwork, pocket awareness). A lot of his issues came with timing and that is to be expected in a new system.
Speight has been better on the deep ball, but that is about it when you compare the two. We need Speight to be better than he has in our two toughest games (Colorado and Wisconsin) when we go to Columbus. If he is not, than we are going to have to play Jabrill A TON at QB.
October 10th, 2016 at 10:30 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 2:47 PM ^
Double Post.
6-0>5-1 though.
October 10th, 2016 at 2:53 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^
Reminds me of the old saying "you gonna trust your lying eyes or me?"
All I know is that the weak link in our arsenal on Saturday was the starting QB. And what scares the Hell out me is that it looks like he's getting worse, not better, as the games progress and people get more film on him.
He's struggling to make routine throws and god help us if theire's pressure. Statee may be struggling right now but you had better believe they have diealed up and are practicing the vaunted Double A gap blitz package with a vengence.
October 10th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 3:21 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^
Plus I think Harbaugh understands the strength of the team is its defense so a "game manager" is OK at QB. If we had a crappy D O'Korn prolly would be playing as we'd have to outscore people to win but with our defense that's not the case so punting isnt that bad of an option.
Go back and look at the 2001 OSU national championship team for a model. They were wicked boring but their D was lights-out so Tressel was happy to punt and wait for the other team to make a mistake. It works.
October 10th, 2016 at 4:52 PM ^
Griese, Krenzel, and Dilfer (NFL level) have proven game managers can win championships with a lights out defense.
October 10th, 2016 at 3:01 PM ^
he's not perfect, but he's our best QB as of today.
those (mr. yost) claiming o'korn is better don't realize he gives up on the play way too early. even in the rutgers game, if his first read isn't there he looks to scramble. did it all spring game too.
i think o'korn has a better/more natural arm, and if they were sitting there throwin at targets or playing 7 on 7 he'd be better. nonetheless, it's 11 on 11 and speight is just simply the best option.
October 10th, 2016 at 3:03 PM ^
6 of 13 isn't horrible considering drops and it was raining - by the time it stopped raining we were basically just running the ball
October 10th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
October 10th, 2016 at 3:58 PM ^
I find Speight somewhat inconsistent with the easy throws. However, I'm 100% sure that JH is a better evaluator of QB talent than I am and that he is well aware of the issues, if any, with the QB play. After losing close to a lost decade to utterly miserable UM football, I'm willing to give JH the benefit of doubt on this one.
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October 10th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^
Nice chart!
Here's how I see it...In Alabama's success they have always fielded elite defenses that create more opportunities to score. In those championship teams, Bama never had a QB who had to put up monster numbers. QB's like McElroy, McCarron, and Coker were just good QB's. Not great, but good. They simply had to have command of the huddle, make the call, and deliver the ball to athletes. Seemed there was always a game-breaking deep ball which we know by now that Speight has the capability of throwing.
In short, Speight, as it stands right now is just good. And that may be enough to make the calls, manage, and protect the football on the way to a championship. With the skill around him on offense, defense, and coaching advantage on the sidelines, things are only looking up. If Speight gets even better, then it will be a special year for the team.
October 11th, 2016 at 10:58 AM ^
"QB's like McElroy, McCarron, and Coker were just good QB's."
I'm afraid you're underestimating the Alabama QB quality a bit...
2015: Jake Coker - #32 QBR, 70.2 rating
2014: Blake Sims - #4 QBR, 84.4 rating
2013: AJ McCarron - #14 QBR, 82.5 rating
2012: AJ McCarron- #3 QBR, 84.9 rating
2011: AJ McCarron - #8 QBR, 77.9 rating
2010: Greg McElroy - #12 QBR, 77.8 rating
2009: Greg McElroy - #17 QBR, 72.1 rating
October 10th, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^
Totally agree with this. The argument of "yeah but Rudock got way better the second half of the season" has got to stop.
October 10th, 2016 at 10:41 PM ^