Hello: Kai-Leon Herbert Comment Count

Ace


Herbert (right) with five-star teammate TJ Slaton. [Isaiah Hole/247]

When Plantation (FL) American Heritage four-star OT Kai-Leon Herbert started picking up attention from power programs back in February of 2015, he called Miami (YTM) his "dream school" and picked up an offer from them shortly thereafter. By that summer, Florida had also offered, and for the better part of the year the Gators held the pole position in his recruitment. In late March, Herbert said he was ready to commit—and that Florida still held the lead.

Then Michigan made their move. Herbert never set a spring commitment date and the Wolverines' recruitment of him went to plaid.


Yoink. [timeline via 247]

This afternoon, before participating in the Opening finals in Oregon, Herbert announced his commitment to Michigan via an impressively produced Walking Dead-style video that features some serious rival-stompin'. He becomes the 18th commit in the 2017 class and the fourth on the offensive line, joining JaRaymond Hall, Joel Honigford, and Andrew Stueber.

GURU RATINGS

Scout Rivals ESPN 247 247 Comp
4*, #22 OT,
#183 Ovr
4*, #10 OT,
#61 Ovr
4*, 83, #15 OT,
#106 Ovr
3*, 86, #72 OT,
#683 Ovr
4*, #22 OT,
#166 Ovr

Herbert is a prospect with serious upside and plenty of development to go, so it's not a surprise to see some variance in his rankings. That said, I can't find a reasonable explanation for 247's outlier ranking—they've had positive scouting reports from the last couple Opening Miami regionals—but I expect Herbert will get a healthy bump when they update rankings after this week's Opening finals. Everyone else has Herbert within the top 200 overall prospects, with Rivals the most bullish.

Herbert is listed at 6'4" or 6'5" and anywhere from 255 to 284 pounds. He's definitely at the higher end of that listing; Scout said he weighed 277 as of March. Herbert is reportedly still getting taller, too—with his long arms, he's got the look of a left tackle.

SCOUTING

Herbert first started getting major attention on the recruiting trail following his sophomore season. In February of 2015, 247's Luke Stampini named him as one of ten players to emerge at a loaded Opening regional in Miami, ranking him just behind five-star teammate TeDarrell "TJ" Slaton:

While the 6-foot-5, 265-pound Hebert is not on the same level as Slaton, he proved he was worth watching moving forward. He has an excellent frame with long limbs to pack on the weight and flashed solid mobility for such a young prospect. With another year of development we could be talking about Herbert as one of the best in the Sunshine State.

Despite being a year younger than many of the players in attendance, Herbert earned mention for just missing the top overall performers at the RCS Miami camp a month later:

Herbert has incredibly violent hands. That was the prevailing lesson about his game on Sunday, anyway. He used his initial punch to knock defenders back but also to make a mark on the camp, during which he put on a mostly impressive performance. Herbert was not the most complete lineman at the camp, but he did some things that showcased what seems to be great potential.

At that point, Herbert hit a bunch of SEC team camps, earning offers from the likes of Tennessee in addition to UF and Miami. Michigan offered in May, getting their foot in the door early.

After a strong junior season, Herbert hit the camp circuit again, showing up to this year's Opening Miami regional bigger and better than before. Scout's Chad Simmons:

Herbert has really grown and matured physically and as a football player.  He has added close to 20 pounds.  He is playing stronger and more violent.  He has very good feet, he can bend, and he has so much upside.  Look for his ranking to increase in the coming days.  Florida is in the lead.

Scout mentioned Herbert first when naming their top ten offensive performers; 247 had him fourth, citing a slow start, and mentioned his "plus athleticism." The performance earned Herbert an invite to this week's Opening finals, and a few days later, Scout bumped him up to four-star territory:

When you look at Herbert, you see an offensive tackle with a great frame.  He is a very natural bender, he has good feet, and he has the reach coaches covet at that position.  He has come so far in the past 18 months.  He has added over 20 pounds, he is playing much stronger, and he is developing into one of the most complete offensive tackles in the 2017 class.

Herbert also had another standout RCS Miami outing:

Herbert was one of the most aggressive offensive linemen when it came to taking reps and after a bit of a slow start, he enforced his will as one-on-ones went along. By the time the session was over, it was clear Herbert was the MVP. His combination of size and strength allowed him to overpower several defenders and his hand placement allowed [him] to keep leverage against shorter defensive linemen as well.

He played well enough that Rivals named him one of the top five offensive linemen from their entire 2016 camp series alongside blue-chips Alex Leatherwood, Walker Little, Isaiah Wilson, and Brett Neilon. Rivals moved him up from #222 overall to his current perch at #61 in the aftermath.

ESPN's scouting report is, as usual, full of hedging, but they make it clear they like Herbert's upside:

(Pass protection) Can set quickly and possesses good arm length and while he doesn't display a jolting punch and can improve placement he is active with hands. Displays good lateral agility to mirror rushers when he stays low, but does need to watch pad level. Can gain good positioning against power and slow, but needs to add size and do better job of sinking hips to help him better anchor. Room to improve physically and technically, but good upside in this area.

(Run blocking) Can quickly get into defenders and deliver a good initial pop. When he gets positioning can control and steer defenders, but needs to improve hand placement and pad level, as can get tall and narrow. Flashes enough lateral agility and quickness to reach defenders from the backside or seal on the front side. Can improve angles, but good range and body control top adjust and get a piece of second level targets.

They like his "excellent height and length" and think he brings "promising upside" at tackle.

Scout's free evaluation is a solid summation:

Evaluation

Herbert is an offensive tackle with a great frame. His length stands out immediately and he has good feet to go with that. He has the body that is developing and with that, he will add mass and more power to his game. He can really move and get into his pass sets well. From his sophomore year to the end of his junior year, he added good weight, he played with more aggression, and he has really started to separate himself as one of the best in Florida. He is a very smart player and he is always working to get better. His flexibility is good and his punch has improved a lot. He could be a true left tackle on the next level.

Strengths

  • Arm Length
  • Body Control and Balance
  • Feet
  • Flexibility
  • Intelligence

Areas to Improve

  • Pad Level
  • Power And Strength

While Herbert isn't the most polished offensive line prospect out there, his potential is apparent; his combination of size and athleticism make him an ideal left tackle prospect once he adds the requisite weight and strength, and he's come a long way in that regard over the last year. It's notable that on a high school team featuring Slaton, a five-star lineman, it's Herbert that lines up at left tackle with Slaton playing on the right side.

OFFERS

Herbert holds offers from Auburn, Cal, Colorado, Duke, FAU, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Marshall, Maryland, Miami (YTM), Mississippi State, NC State, UNC, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCF, USC, USF, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

HIGH SCHOOL

American Heritage is one of Florida's top talent producers. Recent blue-chips include five-star 2015 CB Tavarus McFadden (FSU), five-star 2014 RB Sony Michel (Georgia), and top-50 2013 RB Greg Bryant (Notre Dame). Michigan got a commitment from them in 2015 TE Nick Eubanks. Five-star 2017 OG TeDarrell Slaton is a top Michigan target. Three-star 2017 LB James Houston also holds an offer. The Wolverines already have offers out to two of their 2018 prospects, five-star CB Patrick Surtain Jr. and four-star CB Tyson Campbell, and they hosted DT Nesta Silvera for a visit in June—if Silvera, who's close friends with Herbert and Eubanks, lands an offer, Michigan should be among his top schools.

STATS

Is OL, no stats.

FAKE 40 TIME

Herbert's Hudl page lists a verified electronic 40 time of 5.44 seconds, which gets zero FAKEs. Other combine numbers: 4.90 shuttle, 27.2" vertical leap, 40.2-foot powerball throw.

VIDEO

Junior highlights:

Sophomore highlights and single-game reels can be found on his Hudl page.

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Herbert will be one of what should be a healthy group of talented tackles who could be in line for early playing time. While Ben Bredeson is the early favorite to take over at right tackle after Erik Magnuson departs, Bredeson is better suited for the interior, so we could see a situation similar to this year with Mason Cole; somebody is likely to emerge from the 2015 or 2016 class at tackle and bump Bredeson inside. With a couple years of development, Herbert could very well be that guy; at worst, he's a great candidate to take over for Grant Newsome at left tackle in a few years.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Michigan is now at 18 commits in a class that should reach the mid to upper 20s. With the Wolverines already up to four offensive line commits—plus a fifth who could be a guard in DT Phil Paea—we'll see how things shake out with their remaining top-tier OL targets: Slaton, OT Isaiah Wilson, and OC Cesar Ruiz. At this point, they may only be able to take two of the three, though it isn't safe to assume all three would've ended up in the class anyway.

Other areas of need include WR, TE, OLB, CB, and S. Here's the class as it currently stands:

Comments

ryholly

July 6th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

Almost 20 commits already!  Will be interesting if any of these guys drop off as the year progresses.  Always happens, but still a lot of season left to be 75% full.......

1VaBlue1

July 6th, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^

That video was awesome!  Between Kai-Leon and Kurt Taylor, this class has some artistic quality.  Perhaps they can visualize the crystal ugliness that passes as a NC trophy?

Painter Smurf

July 6th, 2016 at 12:40 PM ^

Looks like a versatile OL, maybe the next Mason Cole after some polishing.  Definitely a legit LT prospect.  Not as physically imposing as some, but has very good feet and balance.  Also has a noticeable mean streak, which Drevno heavily prioritizes.  Keep the OL comin'!

bronxblue

July 6th, 2016 at 1:03 PM ^

Welcome.  Looks like a solid tackle prospect, though I wouldn't be surprised if they moved him around the line if his run blocking is decent.

maizenblue92

July 6th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

This is the second place I've seen the 'only take two out of three' involving Wilson, Slaton, and Ruiz, and I can't disagree with it more. You take all of them, if you can, for several reasons. First, OL prospects are fickle at best. Under 50% end up contributing important snaps. Second, pressure makes diamonds. That type of competition for forge a great line. Third, if you can get those type of top prospects you can build a Bama-esqe OL. And there is no counter to an elite offensive line. All you can do is wait to die as a defense. Finally, once the depth chart shapes out someone (or someones) will transfer out.

Michology 101

July 6th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^

I didn't like the notion that we may not have room to take all three of our top remaining OL targets now. Most of us were under the belief that we would still take Slaton, Wilson and Cesar if they all wanted to come to Michigan. If we have to turn one of those top OL players away, that just strengthens the point some naysayers had about us taking too many lower level players too soon. I thought Honigford was a nice pick up. Though how many of us would be comfortable with the idea that he possibly took Slaton's or Wilson's spot? Come on, now. Let's be real.

Bodogblog

July 6th, 2016 at 1:21 PM ^

Lots of down blocking in that film.  I don't know if I see a natural bender, and he does seem like he needs to build some strength.  But he's agile and athletic, and he does have good feet and great size.  See a lot of want-to in that film, so that it seems even more surprising that he's not blowing people up more.  Lots of blowing up of the people, but you'd expect a little more.  Of course FLA competition could have something to do with that.  Great pick-up! 

Yooper

July 6th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^

of Michigan football than I am today.  Harbaugh is a rock star and a coaching genius and it is showing up in recruiting and on the field already.  It is all good.  

Alumnus93

July 6th, 2016 at 1:44 PM ^

OP mentions TE as a remaining need... seems silly to me....  TE seems to be well stocked.... Wheatley, Bunting, Asiasi, Gentry, McKeon, all ready to fill in for Butt. Dunaway in the fold too. Unless they plan to run 4 TE sets, I think they can take a year off recruiting another TE.

LKLIII

July 6th, 2016 at 2:49 PM ^

Ace, do you know of any story behind that?  It seems to me that right from the start, the Harbaugh staff hasn't been primarily focused on "roster balance" but instead--at least in the short term--focused on making 100% sure that they have solid players in key position groups.  

What I mean is--they seem to be adopting a "surge" strategy wherein they almost over-recruit certain spots to guarantee good performances.  QB and perhaps RB came to mind last year, and now perhaps this year OL and TE.

The theory I guess being that a few of the recruits will turn into diamonds under the pressure. Meanwhile the rest will either transfer (thus opening up roster slots to "surge" the next position group) or (more preferably) if they are athletic & amenable to it, switch to a different position group to help balance out the roster that way.

Is this a known strategy that they're following?  Or or is this just a wrong-headed & faulty observation on my part?

 

 

 

 

Wolfman

July 6th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^

While it looks like some of the things that happen to Harbaugh on the reccruiting trail are "accidental," i.e, Solom, and just seem to fall into his lap, I think nothing is further from the truth. I've read now from two different recruits with respect to the MI staff, both among the top at their respective positions, Isaiah Wilson, "They are just special. I'm not saying they're better, just special,": an almost identical account as the one given by Nico Collins, as highly recruited at receiver as Wilson is at Tackle, and maybe even more important inasmuch as he is the first known MI target from Area 52. 

There is no doubt Harbaugh has a certain panache among high school players, imo this is based on two reasons. No. 1) of course are the results. There is no high school player alive that is not impressed by a Super Bowl coach. It does not hurt when on national t.v., in a prime time game, he has the Super Bowl coach he happened to lose to walking the sidelines. This is a direct message as to how extensive his network is. 

No. 2 is his staff and it doesn't matter if you have the best teacher in the game, if you aren't able to bring in students, you won't produce. Wheatley gets all MI high schoolers, it seems. He also goes after every RB, quite successfully, but I find it interesting that certain players, as is the case with Dillon, it lists Wheatley, but also right beside him is Coach Brown. i think this answers some of your questions. More than a few of these players are taken under the "two position" policy. 

I think Harbaugh selects his staff cautiously. While it appeared to the world that Partrridge was taken for "immedate gains," I don't think it surprises Harbaugh a bit that every incoming lber has Partidge beside their name as main recruiter. And Jim seems to have a knack for knowing which coaches will attract certain players. It's not rare to see Mattison's name beside Wheatley's when it comes to MI high schoolers and in cases like Herbert where Drevno probably was the primary, Fish also played a major role. So while it may appear that he recruits recklessly at times, this focus on OL might have  hell of  lot to do with the temporary setback in regard to Swenson, I think roster balance, along with having the sfaff members on hand that can assure that, play heavily in Jim's thoughts. 

Ron Utah

July 6th, 2016 at 1:48 PM ^

Best.  Commitment.  Ever.

If he plays half as well as he commits, he's going to be another first-round draft pick OT.  That was amazing.

Sopwith

July 6th, 2016 at 2:37 PM ^

a little longer. Unverified Voracity can wait, amirite?

I don't think that Rutgers dude was even a zombie, just Herbert putting someone from Rutgers out of his misery. Mercy killing.

delmarblue

July 6th, 2016 at 5:44 PM ^

Thanks, but I'm confused about the reported TE need.  We have 10 scholarship TEs (not counting Poggi or Hill) either committed or on the roster.  I know Harbaugh likes them, but geez how many do we need? Need OLBs, CB and S going forward.

Wolfman

July 6th, 2016 at 9:21 PM ^

That is why he took so many that can do so many things. Hell, take a look at Eubanks and you have another Funchess on your hands. Imagine Funchess coached to do what you want. Hell, with Brown you could have a SDE that runs out with the O and catches TD passes from another TE named Gentry. Show me a qb recruited by two of the three winningest programs in the game and I'll show you a fb player. Devin Asiasi has the talent to be All BIG at a number of positions and maybe AA at a couple. Same with Wheatley and a few others. These young men weren't recruited as "locked in" to TE.

That's only a few of the many we have on the roster. Individually, they could be special. If you want to use them collectively, You could conceivably control the ball for about half the game. Appears like a glut if you look at them in the wrong light. Change the angle just slightly and with 10 players you've added 15 to 18 roster spots. Most underrated group on our roster in my opnion. Just look at their individual sizes, speed, strength. You'll be convinced. Hell Wheatley, alone, should easily be able to line up on two spots of the offense and every spot on the D Line w/in two years. Recruiting at its best. 

Hotroute06

July 6th, 2016 at 5:51 PM ^

After watching a VERY brief clip on him the first thing that jumped out to me was his quick feet and balance.  

 

Has a ton of upside for sure.  

BlueWon

July 6th, 2016 at 8:56 PM ^

And have never hears of "us" being part of any pay for play schemes.

But the fact the poster used "us and OSU" in a sentence convinces me he is not really one of "us", anyway.

Prolly a Sparty troll in sheep's clothing.