Human Torpedo

March 5th, 2016 at 10:30 PM ^

1-3-1 zone all season? You wait until the final game of the season to deploy it for more than just 1 or 2 possessions? Beilein knew how bad we were getting shredded in man-to-man and at least chances of steals increase for us

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cp4three2

March 5th, 2016 at 10:30 PM ^

Almost getting to 500 and being close with so many good teams with freshmen and sophomores was really amazing. 

 

This year might be his worse. There's just no excuse for a team that plays defense so poorly. 

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Ty Butterfield

March 5th, 2016 at 10:30 PM ^

Nothing will be fixed next year. Trying to sell us a DIII player should have been a clue that something is not right with Beilein. I am not sure if he just thinks he can turn any player into a star or what, but whatever he is trying to do now isn't working. Recruiting is a big part of the job and Beilein is not up to the task. Giving him one more year won't matter. Fire him now and move on.

Joined: 09/07/2009

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Muttley

March 6th, 2016 at 1:34 AM ^

far more than DJ Wilson or Kam Chatman.  He may have hit a rough patch here lately (as has Iowa's Jared Uthof--it happens), but he's still averaging 0.40 points/minute, more than Walton, Irvin, and MAAR.  And it's only Duncan's first year in D1.

The recruiting/talent issue isn't any one guy (especially Robinson), but you're right that we have a bunch of three-star players from the 2014 class that (largely) add up to only a KenPom 54 ranking.  The four stars from that class (Wilson & Chatman) are having trouble finding the floor.

 

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alum96

March 5th, 2016 at 10:32 PM ^

So are we still worried that Irvin and Walton are going to run to the NBA???

SOL applies to Lions forever and now UM basketball for 2 years.  And the next few. SOM.  Watching this team the past few years is Groundhog Day.

The Chatman Wilson class looks like a complete disaster at this point - you lost an entire class that should have been helping offset Caris and Spike..  And no its not too early - its college basketball not football.  But no worries, I've been told we hit the jackpot in this class and Xavier is Burke and Austin Davis is Mitch.  We good.

Or most likely we are going to see this exact same game for another 2-3 years.  Aside from talent the lack of fire and aggression makes me not like watching this team that much at all - I'd rather have the same record and watch the 2010 Novak type teams.

Beilein is one of the nicest men in sports and I feel bad for the wrath that he is going to face in the coming years looking at this roster and all the recruiting misses it faces.  

 

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UMxWolverines

March 6th, 2016 at 12:38 AM ^

Please stop. All teams have injuries. Even that MSU team that had all those injuries a few years ago still made the tournament. The way you defend Beilein to the end of the earth but you think it's time for Red to go after every bad game (which I do too, even more than Beilein) is baffling.

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Padog

March 6th, 2016 at 9:37 AM ^

He's not good at recruiting in your eyes. He doesn't get stars or flashy recruits, he gets hard workers that are good people. His teams are built for young guys to redshirt and gradually increase their playing time, like Wisconsin. He just hasn't been able to do that because of injuries and early entries.

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jcouz

March 6th, 2016 at 7:21 AM ^

Spike and Caris been injury-free. Still, it probably would not have changed the overall record by more than a few games. Consider that most of Michigan's losses were by double digits (all but @Maryland, I believe). This team was not good when both guys were playing. Remember the game @SMU? This team never gave me a good feeling at any point in the season about making the NCAA tournament. It's amazing that they were on the fringe coming in to the Iowa game. Our lack of toughness and athleticism from the bigs has been noted repeatedly. Recruiting strategy changes are necessary there. To me though, the biggest story is Zak Irvin. Guy was a top-30 Indiana POY and he can't dribble, pass, shoot(consistently), or defend. I really thought that Zak and Walton would help carry on the momentum the program was building. They have fallen far short of expectations.

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Stringer Bell

March 5th, 2016 at 10:39 PM ^

Rahkman is the only guy who's living up to his potential of that group. And in 2015 we took Wagner, who contributed next to nothing this year, and no one else. That's 2 consecutive classes that has produced 1 decent contributor total for this year. Just won't cut it. This incoming class better turn out to be a monster one otherwise we're in serious trouble.

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SDCran

March 6th, 2016 at 1:23 AM ^

Next the bigs will be more experienced (Donnal and Doyle were much improved in the 2nd half of the season), hopefully Irvin will be healthy to start the year. All they need is more depth at the 1-3.5 positions. A solid freshman guard plus the apparent emergence of Chatman should give those guys more rest and allow them to not be exhausted come February.

I predict that UM's "surprising" improvement will look a lot like Iowa's this year. Tons of returning experience and everyone being better than most give them credit for.

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jcouz

March 6th, 2016 at 6:14 AM ^

Until you consider the actual schedule that Michigan played and who the wins came against.

The wins: A Illinois, H/A Minnesota, H Northwestern, H/N Penn St., H Rutgers, A Nebraska, H Maryland, H Purdue (Total of 2 wins vs top 8 B10 teams)

The losses: H/A Iowa, A Purdue, A Maryland, A Wisconsin, A Ohio St, H Indiana, H Michigan St. (Notice that the schedule did not include 2 games against Indiana, Wisconsin, or Michigan St., arguably the top 3 teams in the conference.

Hanging our hats on 10-8 is fool's gold. This team is not good.

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Winchester Wolverine

March 5th, 2016 at 10:43 PM ^

If in two years Belien has us deep in the NCAA Tourny by simply making changes on defense and recruiting, the torch and pitchfork guys will be looking pretty damn silly. Give the man a chance for another staff shake up. Give the man just a little more leaway. Resurecting a program from the dead isn't an easy task. You dont go from doing nothing to final fours consistantly in a heartbeat. I understand the frustration. I get the part where this shit just isn't acceptable. But I say he deserves to run out his contract. Then we'll talk. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

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Hotel Putingrad

March 5th, 2016 at 10:48 PM ^

how much is Warde willing to pay? Beilein's buy-out is $7M currently, $6M after next year, and $5M after 2018. So if you don't think the next 2 years will be any better. might as well pull a Josh Whitman now.

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Jimmyisgod

March 5th, 2016 at 10:50 PM ^

The program is in neutral and may fall further. Beilein needs to make adjustments in toughness and in the type of big men we bring in. Unfortunately he's brining in two more slow and unathletic centers this Fall bringing out total to 5 big, slow, and unathletic centers in the roster. If you noticed this season, we really got worked against teams with athletic and mobile front courts. We need toughness, defense, and rebounding. And on O we need more passing and less dribbling.

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jcouz

March 6th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^

you are the #1 seed. Is that what you think Michigan was with Caris? Hell, I was going out on a limb calling them a #7-9 seed. I'm not so sure I could tell you the #8-10 seed they'd beat to get out of the 1st round.

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