Mailbag: Heartbaugh, Super Bowl Game Theory, Demoralization List(!), Beilein Recruiting Comment Count

Brian

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Good Morning (Afternoon in Ann Arbor) MGoBlog Team,

In the spirit of the upcoming holiday, the attached picture was being passed around by the 49ers fans here in my office.  One had the insight to share with me.

Go Blue.

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I want to see a version of this with the MVictors glare photo.

Not at all timely response to Super Bowl question.

Brian,

You briefly mentioned how you believe Belichick not using a timeout at the end of the Super Bowl was a colossal overlooked mistake, and that the ends don't justify the means.  In almost all cases I agree with you on coaches' inability to properly use timeouts (e.g. Hoke giving up a free hail mary).  However, in this particular case, I disagree and I think the statistics and "feels" may bear out that Belichick didn't necessarily just get lucky.

Everyone knew that, at some point, Lynch was going to get the ball.  With only one timeout left, Belichick knew that Seattle couldn't run it three straight times. In addition, Lynch had not been very good, going only 45% successful in short yardage situations all season, and 1/5(!) at goal to go from the 1.  Belichick had to know that, and was potentially making a statistical gamble on being able to stop the run there.  There is also something to be said in the "feels" category with putting pressure on the other
team to make a decision they may not otherwise make.  It was also made clear by Butler that they were ready for that exact situation.  Belichick knew they could defend it.  I think even though it may appear that Belichick got lucky, he in fact knew exactly what he was doing.  It may look like high risk, but in fact the season statistics and his preparation tell me that he knew the odds were in his favor by letting the clock run and limiting Seattle's choices.

Thanks, and I love the blog as well as discussions like this.
-Kyle (Carolina Blue)

I think that's dubious at best. Seattle snapped the ball on second down with a timeout and 26 seconds after having run the clock down from just under a minute. Seattle has the option to run on either second or third down. By not calling timeout you get to impose that constraint on their playcalling.

But that's all, and that's not much. You cite some stats that have been floating around; those are not serious. (Five attempts? Cumong man.) Football Outsiders' OL rankings have Seattle the #2 team in the league in their "power success" stat, which is defined like so:

Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer.

Lynch and Seattle had in fact been excellent at punching the ball in, and forcing a pass is a good idea. You give up some expectation when you throw on the doorstep of the end zone.

Meanwhile, the Patriots were dead last with an identical rate: 81% of the time Seattle tried a short conversion they got it; 81% of the time the Patriots tried to stop one they failed. Even leaving aside the passing down, 19% squared is about 4%. Without a miracle—the first goal-line interception thrown by an NFL team all year—the Patriots go home losers. How likely is that miracle? Not likely. Russell Wilson had seven interceptions on 495 throws this year.

Your win percentage is unbelievably grim in the situations the Pats put themselves in. But how grim is it

  • down three with a minute left with a TO
  • on your 20
  • with a unanimous first-ballot HOF QB

Not nearly as grim, I think.

[After the JUMP: demoralizing: we're experts]

Demoralizing has so many more options.

Hi MGoBlog team,

What was a more demoralizing event;  
a)  the 2012 Michigan / Alabama game
b)  OSU winning the championship this past year
c)   Something you think that was even worse than these two things  

Thanks!
Kalamablue

Well, B is just out unless you were under the impression that Urban Meyer wasn't a good coach and OSU was going to be excellent for the duration of his tenure. It's not like Michigan wasn't already staring up at the branches of a pretty tall tree. The whole winning a title with your third string QB is a downer, but many things that have actually happened to Michigan are worse.

The Alabama game was totally demoralizing but to go grab that from all the recent humiliations as the one that stands above the rest is a bit odd. I mean, Alabama does that to a lot of teams and many of them go on to live healthy productive lives afterwards. Hell, Michigan was in the midst of having one of those when Denard's elbow smacked harmlessly to the turf at Nebraska.

No, that Alabama game was terrible, but the recent Hoke era has far more demoralizing experiences. Here is one man's attempt to parse humilation:

  1. Rushing for –48 and –21 yards in consecutive games
  2. The Shane Morris Incident
  3. 27 for 27
  4. The Bellomy portion of that Nebraska game
  5. Getting shut out 31-0 by Notre Dame
  6. Alabama pounding our face
  7. Allowing Gary Nova to throw for 400 yards
  8. That two point conversion attempt at the end of the Kansas State game after losing the OSU game on a two point conversion
  9. #m00n
  10. OSU national championship, I guess.

Many programs could claim that their rival winning a title in hilariously unlikely circumstances (Cardale Jones versus Bama and Oregon!) would be the most demoralizing thing that had happened to them in a while. Michigan has emphatically not been that program.

Harbaugh, though.

Basketball recruiting.

Brian -

This has been rattling around in my head for a while... Apologies if this has been covered before, but here's a thought about basketball recruiting. Does the current state of our team simply stem from the fact that Beilein hasn't gone after / doesn't want the guys who are one-and-done? Rather he has gotten good players who he turns into guys the NBA wants after a couple of years. The solid players who follow aren't then ready to fill the shoes of those who departed early. The UKs, KUs, and Dukes of the college basketball world, however, pull in class after class of guys who leave after a year. In other words, they have another one-and-done (or something close) to come in and fill the shoes of the guy who just left.

In a way Beilein is a victim of his own success. His staff develops the heck out of guys and makes them coveted players and then has to do it all over again rather than relying just on the raw ability of guys who come in and can play at a high level already.

If this is the case, is it also simply a matter of Beilein not getting the 5* kids?

Thanks.

Dave

I don't think it would have done much good to go after the one and dones that seemed vaguely acquirable. That was Tom Izzo's strategy, and he has a 5'9" point guard who can't shoot and some guys Michigan had on the back burner to show for it. They got really burned by pursuing the Cliff Alexanders of the world. Michigan is fighting uphill for those guys. It takes a weirdo like Mitch McGary to be that level of hyped recruit and show up.

Michigan got unlucky that their early targets blew up into Kentucky-level recruits. If Kentucky gets Emanuel Mudiay and passes on Booker, he's probably in Ann Arbor and we feel better. That's just life. Michigan is not competing with UK and other schools on certain things, like Kentucky and Kansas's "dorms" that are essentially luxury hotels that host 14 normal students and the basketball team.

I do agree with you that if you're going to have the kind of attrition that Michigan's had over the last few years, you need to be bringing in that UK and Kansas level talent to prevent a hiccup—and even then Kentucky has been an 8-seed and missed the tourney entirely in recent years.

I maintain that a potential solution to this is the NBA moving to the NHL style of drafting:

  • everyone is automatically eligible after high school
  • draftees remain eligible because they're not opting in
  • teams and colleges can work together to determine when the appropriate time to go is

More information is always good, and that provides it.

Walk-ons in anti-signing day regime?

Hey Brian,

You suggested this in today's UV, and have written something similar many times before.

"(Optional but highly desirable) NCAA does away with 85-player cap and allows everyone to sign up to 22-25 players a year, no exceptions. Transfers and JUCOs count.

Changing the cap from a roster limit to a yearly limit instantly does away with any oversigning mutterings since your motivation is to keep players instead of cut them."

I like this idea for the reasons you state, but have been thinking about a potential unintended consequence. This approach seems to all but eliminate the opportunity for a Jordan Kovacs, Graham or Ryan Glasgow, JJ Watt or any walk-on to earn a scholarship.

Theoretically, the coach would have to forgo giving a scholarship to a freshman to give it to a walk-on. The walk-on is already on the team, why "waste" your scholarship on him? I thought perhaps have a 1 or 2 scholarship walk-on exception each year or two, but you know that would get abused immediately by certain coaches.

Maybe Michigan has had an unusual rash of worthy contributions from walk-ons in recent years, but I like the idea that someone can earn their scholarship.

Best,
Daniel

Yeah, that is a problem.

I still think that under the 25-a-year-no-exceptions-no-limit system guys like the Glasgows would end up on scholarship for team purposes. It's a cost to Michigan to have them fill a slot of 85; it would be proportionally less to be one "signee" of 25. The situation gets murkier with long-snappers and fullbacks in a spread era.

I don't really have a good solution here. I guess you could set a reasonable number (100?) under which guys who haven't signed can get a scholarship for that year without counting against the cap. Or maybe you could use a couple scholarships per year that people have vacated for your walk-ons. They can figure something out, I think.

And the upside of having a retention-focused scholarship policy outweighs that cost by an order of magnitude.

Comments

bronxblue

February 16th, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^

I agree the walk-on programs wouldn't get hurt too much, though I think a large number of coaches would still refrain from offering scholarships to these kids whenever possible, and the 100-scholarship cap might be hit by more schools than you think (I'm thinking lower-level Big 12 and SEC schools) that are content just throwing players into a meat grinder and see who comes out the other end.

It's probably a minor concern, but one that does exist.  Because even if in a given year a school doesn't take 25 kids, I suspect over a 4-year span coaches will try to maximize that number whenever possible.  Meaning maybe one year a walk-on gets a scholarship and then the next year it is cut because the team took more kids.  While I don't think college coaches are all monsters, the morale loss that would occur when a kid went from scholarship back to the student body probably isn't worth the risk to many coaches, so I could absolutely see them abolish the walk-on process at programs.

gbdub

February 16th, 2015 at 1:33 PM ^

"maybe one year a walk-on gets a scholarship and then the next year it is cut because the team took more kids"

That can already happen now. What about the yearly cap would make it substantially more likely? And it seems like the current move is toward mandatory 4 year scholarships, so that would fix the issue anyway.

gbdub

February 16th, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^

Doesn't Seattle passing make MORE sense in the scenario where the Patriots don't call timeout and the clock winds down? Without a Pats TO, Seattle pretty much had to plan on calling at least one pass. Had the Pats called the TO, Seattle may have run the ball to burn more clock in case they didn't score.

kehnonymous

February 16th, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^

I'd voiced this thought on a previous topic about 'where was your personal breaking point with Hoke', but it bears repeating because it's such a profoundly damning indictment.

For me, my personal breaking point was getting pantsed at home against an okay Minnesota team, largely because it was coupled with the North Korea-esque shitshow of obfuscation that followed Shane Morris' "concussion-like symptoms"

Several other commenters agreed with me.  Many more did pointed to other disparate incidents like 2013 MSU, Russell Bellamy being totally unprepared for Nebraska, the Utah game, the Notre Dame game, the stake incident, etc. as the point where Hoke lost them.

The kicker?  I couldn't disagree with any of their reasons for why X incident made them turn on Hoke

(Well, I think there was at least one guy who said Hoke lost him when he decided to go for 2 against OSU in 2013 - I disagreed there as that was one of a handful of times where Hoke made the right call.)

WolverineHistorian

February 16th, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^

That Minnesota game and the week that followed it was a total nightmare. But you're right. That was when I knew Hoke was done. And even before Shane took that hit, I was very surprised how awful he looked.

But something else that should be added to that list was the 2013 Nebraska game at the big house. That Cornhusker defense was ranked 117th in the nation. I watched Wyoming put up 650 yards on them in Lincoln. And our pitiful offense could muster one good scoring drive all game long against them for a TD. Our other points were off a field goal we were only able to get because Nebraska muffed a punt.

That game STILL pisses me off and horrifies me today.



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Blueverine

February 16th, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^

you have to admit that defending from the 1 or 2 yard line is a lot different than defending 3rd or 4th and 1 or 2 from the 40.  All of your options are open at midfield and the defense has to respect the short, mid and long passes. At the goal line, you eliminate a ton of routes. Plus, they had 2 weeks (or more) to focus on Seattle's tendencies and, well, look what happened.

taistreetsmyhero

February 16th, 2015 at 1:52 PM ^

the fact that the seahawks were 1/5 scoring touchdowns from the 1 all season, even though it is a terribly small sample size, is not diluted by the statistic that they were successful on short yardage in other parts of the field. short yardage situations are not all equal.

that being said, seahawks still should have run the ball in.

trueblueintexas

February 16th, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^

Regarding Basketball Recruiting: It's easy to forget that when Beilein started recruiting this year's class Michigan had a projected roster of McGary, Horford, Donnal, Bielfeldt, Doyle, Chatman, Irvin, LeVert, Walton Jr., Albrecht. If I was a top end recruit looking at that roster, knowing that Beilein typically only runs about 7-8 guys, I would have a hard time finding the amount of playing time I would want. Then the NCAA, NCAA'd McGary, Horford made a bad desicision, LeVert footed himself, Walton Jr toed himself. Thank goodness, Beilein is the type of coach that can find a Dawkins & MAAR at the last minute. Blackmon Jr walked into a starting role at IU and Booker is basically getting starters minutes on a ridiculously deep UK team. 

Stringer Bell

February 16th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^

Blackmon would've been a starter at Michigan.  Beilein would've gone to essentially a 4 guard lineup to get a player of Blackmon's caliber into the starting lineup.  And Booker opted to go to Kentucky and be a 2nd stringer, so I don't see why he would've looked at Michigan's roster and think that he couldn't get enough playing time.

MosherJordan

February 16th, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^

Fans and people with Madden skilz think timeouts are only good for stopping the clock for end of game drives. Thing is, coaches "waste" them all the time for personnel and play calling reasons. If you take the default view that the Pats weren't stopping Seattle, then calling TOs to save clock for a Hail Mary type late drive makes sense. But if you think Belichick was thinking about making a stand, then using or not using TOs to maximize his chance to make sure he had the right defensive play call given what the offensive personnel was showing, it isn't so dumb to do what he did.

gbdub

February 16th, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^

Re: Walk-ons/transfers with a per-year cap, I think #1 it won't be a huge issue because the "smart" move is to never give walk-ons scholarships anyway (the guy's already playing for you...), and yet coaches do because of the motivational and general not-being-evil benefits of it. Also, it's not like you see a vast number of non-scholarship players loading up the rosters of competitive teams in the current system.

But if it does become an issue, just declare that any non-scholarship player that participates in more than X games counts toward your 25 player cap for this season (if you signed less than 25 players) or towards next season's cap if you already signed 25. This would encourage coaches to "bank" a couple scholarships for walk-ons if they can't fill their class with likely contributors.

champswest

February 16th, 2015 at 1:29 PM ^

great strategy that worked or he screwed up, but got lucky. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially because we know that (1) he is a great football mind and (2) the Patriots prepare extremely well (especially when it is the Super Bowl and you have an extra week). Everybody else was talking deflate-gate while Belichick was studying Seahawks tendencies. Brilliant!

CoachBP6

February 16th, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^

I wonder if Hoke will change his ways at all when he eventually lands another coaching gig. Brady was extremely stubborn, and his archaic beliefs cost Michigan in many areas. Brady Hoke is a good guy with a big heart, but the way he coaches football will always infuriate me.

CoverZero

February 16th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

Agreed +1.  It was mindboggling to me that the man came in to Michigan with all of the bluster and fire, and by season 4 was decimated to an emasculated puppet for Dave Brandon allowing his OC to be replaced with a sub par OC, while continuing to do absolutely nothing to upgrade his own coaching ability.

How can you tell your team that they have to improve, when you do nothing to improve your own game?

CoverZero

February 16th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

@-Kyle (Carolina Blue)

I had this same discussion with a friend last night.  I agree 100% with you. 

Belichick knew the possibilities and played the odds as he had worked out in his mind and probably with the staff and team in practice.  Nothing escapes Bill Belichick. he is the greatest football coach living today.  The man is prepared for everything.

Butler stated after the game that they had practiced that slant play in practice vs. the scout team, and he got beaten on it.  Bellichick then told him "youd better be ready for that one"...and so he was.  THAT is great coaching. 

Belichick knew Lynch's success rate from the 1, he knew that he only had 1 TO left and knew that Pete Carroll, had to make a decision of what plays to run in the final 22 seconds.  Could the Seahawks have gotten in 2 Lynch running plays had the first been stopped?  Maybe...but more likely they would have thrown on one of the final 2 downs (had there had been a Lynch stop on down 1).

Bellichick knew all of this, and he prepped his guy for that play well in advance.

 

michelin

February 16th, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^

Belichick said he did not call a time out due to the "flow of the game."  His decision did speed the flow and increased the time pressure placed on the opposition.  That, in turn, could have made their decision less than optimal.  When people are under time pressure, they put on their mental emergency lights and often oversimplify choices--they do not consider all of the alternatives.  Thus, Carrol might not consider the myriad of difficult-to-anticipate options in his playbook.  The Seattle players too might have carried out assignments more mechanically and not modified their play in response to defensive actions.  The Seattle OC, in fact, said that the receiver should have pursued the ball more aggressively as Butler approached.  Also, a young Russell Wilson might have altered the pass so that—even if it was more likely to go incomplete-- only his own receiver could possibly catch it.

Granted, no one really knows how much the increased time pressure from Belichick's choice mattered.  Based on objective statistics, it does seem like he should have instead called a TO.  But the time pressure he created could provide some rationale for his choice.

Mr Miggle

February 16th, 2015 at 3:03 PM ^

demoralizing of the Hoke era, but probably in the history of Michigan football. The decision to start Morris may have been questionable. It's hard to say, since we can't know and see everything that went into it, but it felt like desperation. He was obviously left in way too long before that crushing hit. What happened afterwards was inexcusable, with lots of blame to go around.

Nussmeier is seen telling Morris to stay down, but then sends in a play for him when he staggers to his feet. Thousands of people saw what happened, but no one is able to do anything to stop this. How can it be that medical personnel are not positioned to react? Then he later runs back in for another play when Bellomy isn't ready. And Nussmeier naturally sends in a play for him to run. Just how valuable were timeouts to Hoke and his staff?

At this point it was clear that there were flaws with personnel and procedure that were just unconscionable. It went well beyond being bad at running a winning program. I would have been firing people that week, but we had a new president inexperienced with major college sports. Who knew how he would respond?

The moment Schlissel spoke up it was possible to feel better about the future of Michigan football. It was clear to me that the people most responsible were getting canned, just on a more deliberate schedule. The determination to turn the program around was an unexpected bonus which we should all appreciate.

Ty Butterfield

February 16th, 2015 at 3:18 PM ^

The Alabama game doesn't even register with me because of all the other shit that happened in the Hoke and RR coaching eras. It was a dumb game to schedule and Michigan had zero chance. I didn't even watch the game. Late that night I checked the final score and shrugged. I would have been impressed if Michigan had only lost by 2 touchdowns. I think the worst thing to happen to Hoke was going 11-2 in his first season. Michigan had great senior leadership and were also extremely lucky. There was no place to go but down.

snarling wolverine

February 16th, 2015 at 3:34 PM ^

No, the 11-2 season was a good thing.  I mean, what's the alternative?  Having a bad year that puts Hoke under fire and he's canned after year three?  Who would we have hired after the 2013 season?  Almost certainly not Harbaugh.

That 2011 season was a lot of fun and if it stretched out Hoke's tenure long enough to bring Jim home, it was even more worth it.

 

 

ca_prophet

February 16th, 2015 at 4:29 PM ^

But he isn't perfect, and it is tough to quantify benefits gained from flow-of-the-game versus the benefit of an extra 20 seconds for your offense in the very likely event you need it. Not calling TO was the first mistake. The second mistake was when Seattle didn't take advantage of the clock. They have three plays to score a TD. If they don't score, nothing else matters, so optimize for your three best plays. That has to be run, hurry up and run, TO, and then whatever your best play is. That means that, regardless of whether or not a TO was called, Seattle should have been hurrying to the line for the next run play. Instead, they overthought things and optimized for after they scored the TD they never did.

Baughlieve

February 16th, 2015 at 5:14 PM ^

Michigan is not competing with UK and other schools on certain things, like Kentucky and Kansas's "dorms" that are essentially luxury hotels that host 14 normal students and the basketball team.

Hackett should build one of those "luxury dorms" instead of an indoor rowing facility. Seriously, our basketball/football facilities need to be on par with the best programs in the country. They are the ones that generate the revanue so it's only fair they get the best of everything.