Herbstreit calls Brady Hoke criticism a 'witch hunt'

Just like how you posted the topic about how Morris was medically cleared to go back in the game, therefore there was no concussion.

it's only 20-25% witch hunt.

The Morris incident is just the latest/best example of this coaching staff's incompetence. I feel it should not be isolated from the rest of the picture. These coaches make poor decisions, are clueless at times, and oblivious to things around them. The Morris incident is part of the overarching issue.

Who would you rather have as coach on the other side of the field, Hoke or Harbaugh?  Obviously they are supportive of Hoke.

Herbstreit said Michigan would be 10-1 heading into Columbus?

Who cares what this idiot thinks? Shouldn't Les Miles be Michigan's HC right now according to him? Shouldn't Michigan be 5-0 right now according to his prediction? 

And people taking shots at Kirk for his opinions are irrational.

100% with him. Most here should be ashamed with themselves.

Maybe I'm missing it, but most of the ire if the fanbase is directed at Brandon. People are unhappy with Hoke, but people are pissed at Brandon. There's not an 11,000 signature petition calling for Hoke. Why is the media missing this?

But to me, he's right. If this team were 4-1 or 5-0 this would be a non-issue. 

isn't part of the incompetence that went into the record--the deer in the headlights look again and again? The timing brainfarts against PSU?

I was re-reading Three And Out, and found myself wondering why Herbie didn't suffer more criticism after saying Les was on the way. . . 

People probably are not calling for Hoke's head if Michigan was 4-0.  I do think there would be a backlash, but he might not lose his job.

Why is that?  It is quite likely that if Michigan was 4-0 and not having trouble doing basic things like having 11 guys on the field, Hoke would be a competent head coach who would have avoided this (or at least avoided sending Shane back onto the field) and also had a better postgame response.  

The fact is, this is a symptom of the larger fact that Hoke has absolutely no idea what he's doing.  When that was losing Michigan football games, we were okay with waiting til the end of the season.  When that endangers a player...it's a different story.

If Hoke was 4-0, he would probably show competency as a coach.  We could trust that something like this wouldn't happen again.  Can you honestly tell me that his record would lead an objective person to believe that?

I think this whole mess has been a little bit of piling on but it does fit right in with the clusterfu$#ness of a lot of the things this team displays. I'm ultimately judging Hoke on the perfomance of the team, which is not good and has been slowly declining since the end of the 2011 season. I'm sick of seeing a lethargic, lifeless, uninspired, unpassionate, physically dominated team.

There is some truth to Herbstreit's comment. However, the majority of the fan base wanted Hoke gone prior to Minnesota due to the steady year over year on-field regression. What the Morris incident did is unite the fanbase in the drive to get rid of Brandon.

witch hunt for some, justice for others.

If the team wasn't playing so badly and the game management not so terrible, we would probably be inclined to think this was an unfortunate and correctable oversight.

However, this is another sign of incompetence and this one endangered a player.  It was then followed up by indifference and obfuscation.

So yes, if this coaching staff wasn't doing such a poor job of managing the team we wouldn't be as angry about this.  However, that is because the poor management has removed any doubt that the gentlemen in charge can fix the problems at hand, and are likely to allow them to get worse.

Michigan hasn't been ranked since who knows when, so why even interject that?  Those things only make it worse and more worthy of being drawn to the forefront. 

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I still don't understand why he and others think the losing and what happened on Sat. are mutually exclusive. They both show a complete lack of competence in simple game and sideline management.

and shut up!

He's somewhat right but he's still an assclown.  There would be outrage over the concussion, sure, but that was just the flashpoint of 7 years (minus 2011) of terrible football.

Let's get this straight. The Neurologist is on the 'other end of the field' (sideline around 10 or 20 yrd. line?) and sees Morris wobbly and starts walking towards him. Morris plays one more down and comes off the field. The head trainer is by Morris when he comes off the field and asks him questions about his leg only since he didn't see him woozy on the field. About 90 seconds go by before Morris goes back in the game. The Neurologist that actually saw Morris woozy never gets to him. WHAT TOOK SO LONG TO GET TO MORRIS? It's roughly a 20 second walk to get to him. Did the neurologist just assume the head trainer saw Morris woozy and just let him handle it without communicating to him what he saw?

Certainly there are those who would be upset and rightly so. But the majority of the fan base wouldn't have batted an eye if we were winning.

in hypotheticals. 

 

It was just one more example of how this coaching staff doesn't have the details figured out and how the athletic department is run by an incompetent weasel.

If Michigan is 5-0 or 4-1 and we just crushed Minnesota then this wouldn't be national news IMO.  Head injuries are still serious regardless of wins and losses but this doesn't get picked up by ABC if we weren't getting blown out by Minnesota a week after getting embarassed by Utah. If Hoke had accepted responsibility on Sunday or even Monday by saying that yes he messed up and is reviewing it and will make sure it never happens again.  Instead we have a HC and an AD who are trying like hell to find a scapegoat. 

 

Wins/Losses, player safety mismanagement, and deception are all apart of larger body of work we are using to judge those at the helm of this program.

 

The concussion is the straw that broke the camel's back for many. But a lot of people were looking for straws because the results are bad. And some people are pretending that the straw is a Sword of Damocles. Insta-fire! Baloney, unless you really think that this would have been handled differently at other programs, a point I would disagree with you on.

So if going after Hoke is a witch hunt, what do we call the criticism of Brandon's? I vote #vampirestalk. Because he only releases information at 1am.

But get back to me when you see a reasonable possibility that a team Coached by this staff would be 4 and 0. I'm pissed about the handling of Shane, but I'm more pissed that they get worse every year with legit talent all over the field.

Ps-if you've read any of my other posts you will know that you will not get anywhere by using youth as an excuse for Hokes failures.

Has to say what he has to say, but I am starting to think that all these Ohio guys and southern guys that talk good about Hoke, just want to see M flounder. I've heard Brando and Packer say prior to the Minnesota game that Brady Hoke is a good guy, and that they hope he gets a chance to turn things around at M. I realize this was before last weeks BS, but I sometimes wonder if these southerners quietly enjoy the floundering of the B10. We all know that the main reason the B10 is weak, and perception is that we can't even play football in the midwest, is because M has been mediocre at best for 8 years. If M was strong, the conference would be strong.

Well, Herbstreit is wrong and applying the same falacious argument that others on the board have made by saying, "If X were true, then Y would be happening".  Jesus, there's a thread two above this one taking a poll using that every same, flawed logic.  Hoke isn't under fire because of the Shane Morris thing.  Hoke is under fire due to the cumulative effect of 2.5 seasons of ineffective football management which has come to a head with the latest variable, Shane Morris playing while concussed, being the final straw.

If Brady Hoke was 5-0, then half a dozen things that have happened during the seaosn thusfar that lead to Shane Morris starting and getting hurt wouldn't have happened.

I guess expecting sound logic would be too much to expect from an OSU graduate.