This Board Has Become Unbearably Negative...

Submitted by FauxMo on December 18th, 2018 at 1:11 PM

Here is a picture of an adorable baby kissing an adorable puppy: 

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There. Now lighten the fuck up. Things will be OK*

 

 

 

 

 

*Unless UM football has become the college version of the Detroit Lions. Then things will never be OK again. 

kevbo1

December 18th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

The negativity is a reflection of what college football is starting to become....indecision, recruiting flips, twitter and instagram crap, and players sitting out or pouting.

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darkstar

December 18th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^

...which is pretty much a reflection of "society" today. I usually enjoy coming here for a break from the world to celebrate/commiserate with fellow UM fans.  But after a football loss I avoid this site like a visit from my former mother-in-law.  And lately the vibe has felt the same.

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DeepBlueC

December 18th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^

Seems like a lot of people here were expecting and predicting something better than "OK" when Harbaugh got here.  A lot of people were predicting a national championship this year, but we still can't even win our own division, let alone make the playoff.  Harbaugh is looking like a 9-3ish coach, with good to very good, but not elite, recruiting.  We'll probably be good enough to go 9-3 +/-1 next year too, but is that really going to be meeting people's expectations for Harbaugh's 5th year, especially if yet another loss to OSU is part of it?  

In a nutshell, this program is not trending up.  If it were a stock, it would be "Hold, but have your broker on speed dial".

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DeepBlueC

December 18th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^

Do you think winning our division (not even winning the conference, making the playoff or winning the NC) is a "sky-high" expectation?  Harbaugh has proven that he can pile up wins against the Western Michigans and the Indianas of the world, but he doesn't have a single win against a really strong team in 4 years.  

If you had told people on this board 4 years ago "Harbaugh will go 10-2 every year, but he'll lose to Ohio State every year and never win the division or go to the playoff", how many do you think would have thought that was just fine, and how many would have thought that was disappointing?

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OwenGoBlue

December 18th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^

I'm not sated by the success thus far and don't expect many people are. I just don't agree with the idea that the team has been just ok or mediocre (not your word but others use that where you used ok).

Sky high isn't the best descriptor. 38 wins in 4 years is good, we want great. 

There's no reason to want less but also no reason to downgrade the success they have had. 

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SMart WolveFan

December 18th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^

"lose to Ohio State every year and never win the division or go to the playoff"

Since those 3 are essentially all the same thing ........many of us.

Anybody who thought he was going to catch up to the number #2 or #3 program in the last decade, in four years, is a complete maroon.

Unfortunately, that team just happened to be in his F'n division.

Of course, I did think with his history against USC that he would've pulled the upset one of these years (or did, 2016) but "best case scenario" it would've been 4 or 5 more years before he chased Urban into medical problems ..........so that evens it out reaaaaaal quick.

 

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DeepBlueC

December 18th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^

"Anybody who thought he was going to catch up to the number #2 or #3 program in the last decade, in four years, is a complete maroon."  

Um...that would be most of the people on this board, dude.  You might want to apologize to them. And four years is a long time in college football.  This team is basically all Harbaugh's now.  Other guys have taken teams to the NC in 3-4 years.

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StephenRKass

December 18th, 2018 at 5:13 PM ^

You know, football isn't horseshoes. It doesn't matter how close you lose . . . a loss is still a loss. And yet. Two of the four years, Harbaugh really played OSU strong. Could easily have been a win those years. Of course I'm disappointed. We're all disappointed. But still, I am 100% glad Harbaugh is here. For many and various reasons, Michigan had been slipping for a long time. The physical plant was substandard. Even with Bo, there was too much of "Michigan is Michigan, and we don't need to upgrade facilities." Several of the AD's were terrible, culminating in Dave Brandon. Rich Rod was a bad cultural fit for the program. Hoke was not a great head coach, as much as I liked the guy. It takes years to set up an OL factory. We are well on the way to doing that with Ed Warinner. I feel the DL is in good hands between Mattison and Brown. OSU exploited the lack of top end speed in the secondary, and I don't know that we could have done much about that, other than recruit faster safeties and cornerbacks.

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DeepBlueC

December 18th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^

The achievements of Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke are not the standard that this program should measure itself against.  Don't you agree?

And yes, "Trending up" means exactly what I think it means.  Harbaugh hasn't convinced too many people that he can take this program to a higher level than he already has.  10-2 is probably his usual ceiling, and he's reached it, except maybe once a decade when absolutely everything breaks his way.  Trust me, no one will be predicting a better year for us next year than this one.

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SMart WolveFan

December 18th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^

The RichRod and Hoke eras are measures we should be "trending up" from, which it why I'm glad we are, cuz "trends" are short term, measured vs recent performance.

And as for "no one", "the ....y"......you would be wrong than.

Tougher games at home, ND not game 1, OSU in transtion.

11-1 before a possible B1G championship is the trend.

 

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DeepBlueC

December 18th, 2018 at 5:18 PM ^

Yes, Harbaugh brought us "up" from the level of his predecessors.  No one disputes that.  But that "trend" is over.  Right here, right now, we're leveled off at 9-3/10-2, and not going any higher, except as a one year aberration.  

Come next fall, there will be no preseason poll or predictor that has us ranked higher than OSU, or favors us to win the division over them.  Only biased homers will be doing that.

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Jkidd49

December 18th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^

I've seen this sentiment a lot but i wonder, objectively, what is the appropriate level of negatively given the recent circumstances?  On a scale of 1 - 10.  Between the game, Solomon, Dax, Harrison, the trio of Bailey, Crouch and Gray all going seemingly going to Tenn and Karlaftis staying put.... seems like a pretty terrible few weeks.  Even with Solomon flip from Miami and Keegan.

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BlueSided

December 18th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^

I was a forever lurker until today.  I have been visiting this site for years; however, never felt the need to create an account to share my opinion before today.  Despite everything being read, written, etc. I still see a lot of positive out of the majority of posters on this board.  I also like to believe that the majority of what we do see/read comes from a place of emotion, so I do my best to not read too far into those "takes".  When it comes down to it, just please beat Florida!

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Wolverine0007

December 18th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^

Uhhh yeah...it's never a good sign when our friends at 11Warriors go to our site to get "hilarious comedy" from the misery that is Michigan football. Let's aspire to be optimistic and not give our enemies any ammunition to revel in our misery. 

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maizenbluenc

December 18th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^

I agree with the creepy clown - lighten up, or maybe step away from the keyboard.

The negativity only serves to make it worse. (And I suspect this is the Buckeye or Staee intent of several of the trolls.)

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MadMatt

December 18th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

AMEN! And the endless urinating contests over who said what, what they meant, and whether that's outrageous, are unspeakably tiresome. I can't believe some jackwagon had the stones to go after BronxBlue with everything he's done for the board.

I wish the mods would lock forum posts a little quicker when the discussion falls into a rabbit hole.

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waliwiz1

December 18th, 2018 at 3:30 PM ^

Baby cute---puppy cute--- sure hope the kid find someone better to trade spit with when he grows up.

Believe in Beilein

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JFW

December 18th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^

It has not! You're Just sugar coating things! You just want a participation trophy! Will that puppy get us a national title!

 

/s

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butuka21

December 18th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^

It is overall negative, but some people are just being honest and getting negged for it.  We have not beaten Ohio State since 2011, its getting old, and it is getting beyond impossible to even pretend or be a glass half full fan if you are truly being honest with yourself.  Especially this past loss, where our defense which on paper was pretty good got absolutely torched.  Im sick of the "Oh it's really not that bad, we are 10-2, oh who would you rather have, oh we will win next year at home"  How and why do you believe that.  Until we actually beat them I don't believe it anymore.  That is not negative it's just being honest.  They have better Athletes/Football players period.  I also realized for myself personally that the whole season is over once you lose that game.  So as Michigan fans we  really spend a ton of time during the season watching them getting our hopes up and have to wait until the last game of the year for the reality check, so I am not wasting my time anymore.  I will tape the games, check the score on my phone.  If they win great I will watch it, if not I can just delete it.  I wish nothing but the best for this Football team, but I know realty for next year is 8-4, or 9-3 with a loss on the Saturday after thanksgiving until Im proven otherwise.

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MadMatt

December 18th, 2018 at 9:26 PM ^

If you'll indulge a little probability analysis, I think I have good news for you. Even assuming OSU has been clearly superior the last 18 seasons, they have been lucky as hell to be 17-1 against us. Why is that good news? Because even with our recently good, but not as good as OSU, recruiting, we can still reasonably expect to win a few more games against them. Let me explain.

We can easily imagine winning a single coin flip (50% probability).  Emotionally we don't grasp very well just how hard it is to win even a few coin flips in a row. For example, if you win on heads, the chance of a coin coming up heads 10 times in a row is 0.098%. This is why going undefeated, even for Alabama, is hard.

So, let's say OSU is so much better than Michigan that the Schmuckeyes can expect to win any single game 75% of the time (3 out of 4). The chance of OSU winning 17 or more of the last 18 games with us is 3.9%. In other words, even assuming OSU is as far ahead of us as the chicken little faction of this blog believes, we still should have won more games than 1 out of 18! This makes sense, considering that in the last 3 seasons OSU has lost to a good Sparty team, and been run off the field by an OKish Iowa, and a mediocre Purdue.

I'm not saying "we're due." (That's another fallacy.) What I am saying is that we should win more games against those turkeys even if 2016 and 2018 are as good as Harbaugh teams get. The thing with slumps is that they seem like they'll last forever until suddenly, they don't. I firmly believe Harbaugh is as good as we thought he is, and that eventually the angry, Old Testament, Michigan-hating God will get tired of us, and find a new chew toy.

In the meantime, show me the Harrison! Show me the Hill!

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