This bowl is far from “meaningless”
Every time I see someone call this bowl game meaningless it irks me.
Right now we’re 10-2 and when that bowl was announced on ESPN, all they were talking about was that last game at osu. Then they tried pushing their narratives about how “Harbaugh can’t win big games” (even though he’s beaten 3 ranked B1G teams, 2 of them top-15 and one who is currently higher than they were when he beat them).
What exactly do you think will happen if we don’t win this game? 10-3 AGAIN and all the momentum and great things done this season will be wiped out essentially. We will be right back where we were at the end of last season and going into another offseason in the bottom of bpone.
If the 38 other bowls mean nothing, then this sport really sucks.
The NIT is meaningless. The NCAA Basketball Tournament has 68 teams that renders it meaningless. Don’t get this “playoff” twisted with a sport that actually crowns a non-mythical champion. We’re talking about a NY6 bowl, not the Redbox Bowl.
I know this is a snowflake rant but I just had to say it. Go Blue ?
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:14 PM ^
My comment wasn't meant as a slight, and I apologize if I gave you that impression. If anything, you're to be admired for your incredible devotion to the University of Michigan, despite not having gone there.
I feel most fortunate to have been welcomed into the "Michigan Family" when one of my children had a freshman-student/parent orientation session during the summer before classes started.
As a fan of college sports since the 1950's when the Cotton, Sugar, Orange and Rose Bowls all were played during the afternoon on New Year's Day, most of the best college seniors played in either the East-West Shrine Game or the Senior Bowl, a college all-star team played the NFL championship team from the previous season during the summer before the next football season, and a school like NYU was a major basketball power, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine fan, even when I watching Michigan beat my old school at Yost several years ago.
December 3rd, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^
I saw one of those College All Stars vs. NFL Champs games as a kid.
Who's idea was that?
Did the College guys ever actually win one of those?
December 4th, 2018 at 11:26 AM ^
The College All Stars won nine of the 42 games played. There were two ties. The last College All Star team to win was the 1963 team that beat the two-time defending NFL champion Green Bay Packers 20-17. LINK
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^
Msu and wisconsin are no longer top 15 teams. We beat one this year.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^
You may not think it's meaningless, but at least one player on Michigan has made that determination for himself, understanding what the risks in playing an exhibition game outweigh his pro future in the sport. And there will likely be more players making that choice in the days ahead.
Bowl practice won't begin for another week.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^
The game is good because it is more Michigan football and thus a chance for more fun.
I don't buy that there's dramatic downside to losing.
The currency of sports media is hot takes and outrage. If Michigan wins, the people who were always going to talk shit will reference ND and OSU. If Michigan loses, those same people will just reference three teams instead of two.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^
There’s actually nothing to gain from winning this game. The national media has already established that Harbaugh beating Florida does not constitute winning a big game, because he’s already destroyed them twice and the narrative hasn’t changed.
And it won’t change until he beats Michigan State and Ohio State in the same season and wins the Big Ten. Until then, we will be seen as an under-achieving program that may never relive its glory days. It’s sad but true.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
Damn liberal media.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
You sound fun.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^
To march into the capital of the SEC and burn it to the ground like Sherman would not be meaningless. It would be wonderful.
As a former 20 year Atlanta resident, I can also say that the gazillion Michigan fans in Georgia would appreciate the bragging rights for the year. I know I did in ‘08.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
I support the team in all its endeavors and will be watching at kickoff in my Maize block M t-shirt. I'm just bored with the matchup. Bowls are a chance for unique pairings but we've played them more than any B1G West team. I blame Jim Delaney.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:17 PM ^
you can't see his hands in this picture. Just sayin'.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:15 PM ^
I honestly think a win would mean the most for the players here. Getting back to winning and learning that hard work is paying off; hoisting.......a peach (?); eating some great Atlanta cooking in the company of your brothers and coaches; knowing the program is going in a direction and 2019 it may all come together even more than this year. That's got to mean something to young men whose last experience could not have felt worse.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:16 PM ^
The bowl game itself isn't meaningless, per se (although most are - when the heck did there get to be 40+ bowls???), but the fact that we're playing a team that we played last year, and also played in a bowl just 3 years ago (2016 Citrus Bowl), and is probably overrated (how they beat LSU is beyond me - but they've lost to both Kentucky and Missouri), and the game is in the frickin' Peach Bowl (when did they decide that was an historic bowl) and on the same day as the 2 semifinal games, I think that is what's driving the "who cares" crowd. And I don't blame them. It's a no-win situation for Michigan. Win and who cares - everyone will say Florida was overrated and we should have beaten them. Lose and then we hear the Harbaugh-haters with the same old lines about his inability to win big games, blah, blah, blah.
December 3rd, 2018 at 11:53 PM ^
I do not get,
being determined to be unhappy no matter the outcome.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:22 PM ^
Michigan gains recruiting momentum and a win helps UM's national perception. Those are probably the two biggest gains.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:23 PM ^
I agree, in the big picture the game is not meaningless. When I say meaningless, it is from the perspective of a 2019 high draft pick. In which case, I 100% understand why somone would not want to risk their draft status (Jake Butt) for a game that has no national or conference championship implications, thus meaningless. As a competitor, no game is meaningless, as a fan, no game is meaningless. But for someone who has a big $ future at risk for a game that only lines the pockets of the sponsors, NCAA and colleges, the game is meaningless.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^
Looks like get-in-the-door ticket prices are far below face value. Riveting.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^
I would say this game is meaningless. To a degree, every game outside of the playoff is meaningless. None of these games lead to a possible championship and the vast majority will do nothing to change the narrative or direction of the two teams competing.
This doesn't mean I won't watch. I love football. I coach high school football. I will likely watch portions of most of the bowl games. I watch most games like a coach and pick up a thing or two watching. The bowls give me an opportunity to watch a ton of football between now and early January. I love this time of year.
All of that said, there are occasions where a specific matchup could change that narrative I spoke of earlier. Had Michigan been able to play Georgia or (if OSU had made the playoff), Oklahoma, they would have been able to secure a statement win. Those teams are considered elite and a win over them (even if unlikely) would raise eyebrows from the "experts" out there, recruits and fans. Unfortunately, Florida has no ability to give Michigan that. They aren't very good. A win over Florida, no matter how big, won't be looked at any differently than a win over PSU, Wisconsin or MSU. None of those teams are very good either. It was a weird year in college football that you could basically lump #7 or 8 with everyone down to #25 or #30 and you don't see much of a difference. They are all good to slightly above average, at best.
Best case scenario for this game is Michigan looks significantly more creative in the passing game (I'm not holding my breath) and gets a win, though that will do little to move the needle for most. What I want to see, but Florida will tell us nothing, is if we learned some lessons defensively. Florida is not capable of running what OSU did at a exceptionally high level. They will try, they just won't be near as good. Oklahoma and Georgia would have provided that test. So basically, we wait until OSU (and maybe ND) next year to find out if we will be less stubborn with our defensive philosophy.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:55 PM ^
Please, please, please don't wait until OSU to figure it out.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:31 PM ^
Practices are meaningful.
Game is meaningless.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:31 PM ^
It's not "meaningless," but it's not meaningful either.
Win or lose,
there is no championship at stake,
this is still a 10+ win season,
still exists a dominant record over Florida, and
expectations for next year doesn't change.
Bo's bowl win percentage is one of the worst in college football history at .294. This is a well known fact, but it hasn't discouraged us from deep admiration for his contribution to Michigan football.
As it will be the last Michigan game for the year and for many players on the team, I will watch every second of the game and will miss Michigan football deeply for another 9 months. Go Blue!
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:53 PM ^
About Bo . . . I laugh at some of the revisionist history that has happened.
The admiration for Bo has definitely improved with the passage of time. Time heals all wounds.
But when it happened, we were livid about all of the bowl losses.
If you think we are angry now about Harbaugh being stubborn and trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results . . . you should have seen Michigan fans after yet another bowl loss under Bo.
And the worst thing is, history shows we were right. Bo could have won multiple national championships if he was willing to pass on third and short no more than maybe ten times in his entire career. That's all it would have taken.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:47 PM ^
When he finally won a Rose Bowl, everyone was sooooo happy and "what a great coach" after lambasting him the year before. I lived through all the bowl losses and agree with your post.
Don't get me wrong, Bo was a great coach.
December 3rd, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^
Bo was a great coach, but he was not great on scheme. When he faced teams with equal or better talent that he could not "out execute" (i.e. just about every Rose Bowl), he usually lost.
And it was always by like 7 points. He was always so close.
If he would have been even 10% more dynamic and innovative, he could have won.
Someday when I am retired and have time, I'm going to go back to those Bo bowl games and find those ten or so plays were he could have won if he was just willing to pass on third and short.
I recall a couple in just the 1983 Sugar Bowl against Auburn and Bo Jackson alone. Michigan held the great Bo Jackson completely out of the end zone, yet still lost on field goals. One of the most frustrating losses ever.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:33 PM ^
How is it a 10+ win season if we lose?
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:41 PM ^
Florida is being coached by Dan Mullen who is a better coach than McElwain. I expect this to be a difficult game for Michigan and as such the entertainment value will be better than what we got with McElwain's UF teams.
I am definitely watching the game.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:43 PM ^
A top 5 finish would be noteworthy, so there is that to play for.
We would need some teams above us to lose big though. We have 2 losses, and 3 of the teams above us are undefeated, and another of the teams scored 62 points on us.
They won't fall far if they don't lose convincingly.
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
I just hope a win doesn't make Harbaugh think that his offense is fine..
December 3rd, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
If we beat a much improved Florida team and get to 11 wins it signals upward progress from being stuck at 10 wins to 11. Plus this will carry positive momentum into the offseason and into the next.
I'll take any progress, as minimal, as it may look to some, over no progress at all.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:02 PM ^
Weak ass fucking argument does nothing to dispel the prevailing sentiment that this bowl is, in fact, completely meaningless.
Maybe it'd mean something if it meant Jimmy would be fired if he lost, but we all know Warde enjoys his cock too much for that to ever happen.
Next.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:09 PM ^
The people who bitch about this game being meaningless and they refuse to watch it are the same people who will bitch incessantly this offseason that "Harbaugh can't win big games" if we lose.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:24 PM ^
Harbaugh winning or losing this doesn't mean squat. Beat Ohio State the end.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:09 PM ^
NY6 is a joke too if the game is played three days before. What the hell am I supposed to do on New Years Day now?
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:24 PM ^
A win will not offset the fallout from losing in Columbus. We've already lost 2 RB commits in the last week. I don't see these as coincidences.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:36 PM ^
Well you would be wrong.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
I know it's a nice bowl game with a good opponent but it still feels like I'm kissing my sister.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:40 PM ^
how do you know what that feels like
December 3rd, 2018 at 11:34 PM ^
I always felt like--you know--if she's hot enough to make you want to kiss her even if she's your sister then---you know--your lips are gonna be sizzling. Your heart is going to tremble! That kiss might be a lot of crazy things but it's not gonna be boring!
Okay, I don't have a sister so it's all speculation but still.
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:54 PM ^
Tell that to Rashan
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
Its meaningless.....in the fact it means nothing. Beat OSU if this program wants to make another step.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:22 PM ^
We need recruits, and a dominating bowl victory over a SEC team will do that for us. Absolutely a huge game, and need to win it by 21+. Then the floodgates will open up for us with few guys we are still pursuing.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:27 PM ^
Chance to win 11 games for the third time this century
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:28 PM ^
Four years in and beating Florida in a second tier bowl is our gold standard.
Harbaugh playing checkers again, while everyone’s playing chess.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:38 PM ^
Honestly, with the playoff in place, it's not clear to me at all why these bowls exist. I think they should be dropped.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^
its not meaningless in that there would be negative repercussions if Michigan loses...
like how their South Carolina loss really hurt their closing on a number of recruits....
It meaningless to fans cause its the third time Michigan has faced Florida in 4 years. Its more novel playing a team in the B1G West at this point in time...After the OSU pummeling, it would have been nice to play anyone else other than Florida...
the novelty of playing florida wore off in Dallas
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:44 PM ^
I'm an OSU fan and I think the Rose bowl is meaningless. It's playoffs or bust. Does anyone care or remember that we beat USC last year? Hopefully more star players sit out the bowls and no one goes or watches so this whole system gets blown up and we get to a 8 team playoffs sooner than later.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:46 PM ^
Ask R Gary if this game is meaningful.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:48 PM ^
Bowls used to be the payoff for a good season, then it was the payoff for a not disastrous season and a chance for the top teams to reach #1, and now it's something for everyone else to do while a playoff is happening. They don't help you get in the playoffs nor win the conference nor win the division. In that sense, they are the least meaningful game on the schedule and thus relatively meaningless. I still want us to win, but it's not that important and I don't fault anyone who is going into the draft for not playing.
December 3rd, 2018 at 7:54 PM ^
An 11 win season would be nice. The narrative around JH won't change until he beats OSU.