December 3rd, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
So, say the offense is a repeat of this year - averages 37 ppg on the way to a last game battle with OSU for the division win, a trip to Indy, and realistic thoughts of a playoff berth.
Your last straw will be snapped and you'll be finished with JH.
Okay, then. Sounds legit... UNACCEPTABLE!!!
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^
"averages 37 ppg on the way to a last game battle with OSU for the division win, a trip to Indy, and realistic thoughts of a playoff berth."
Do you think that 37 pts will be enough to beat OSU next year?
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
If Haskins leaves? Then yes.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Not just Haskins, but they had a very experienced WR core, I saw a graphic during the NW/osu game and they had 3 seniors and 1 junior I think. Not that they won't have new stars behind them but that's a nice luxury that typically their NFL turnover prevents.
December 4th, 2018 at 2:24 AM ^
They had a 3* true FR catch 2 TDs and block a punt in the game.
I think they’ll be in pretty good shape at WR.
They get Austin Mack back, basically a mirror image of Tarik Black. Victor is back, Olave the FR is back and they have 2 bluechippers incoming and a pair who redshirted this year
Hartline is an upgrade at WR coach over wifebeater.
bigger question is QB. Martell is unproven. Highly rated but hasn’t really played much.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^
I thought it'd be good enough this year, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Sure hope Haskins goes pro.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
I would hope so, but I don't know. Just making the point that 37 ppg isn't so bad. Certainly not bad enough to move on from Harbaugh and find someone else - as the OP opined.
I agree that better use could certainly be made for the weapons and tools this offense has (and I've said so repeatedly since that thing). But taking the offense we had this year, would you (or anyone else) fire Harbaugh over it? That is the implication OP was making. Good for him - he has every right to believe so. I don't share his assessment...
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^
Um, people forget that our offense only scored 19 points going into the 4th quarter against Ohio State this year.
And 6 of those 19 points were from within the OSU 10 yard line after a turnover.
So, our offense basically scored only 13 points on its own by the 4th quarter. Meanwhile, Ohio State had already scored 41 points.
Most of our "impressive" final offensive total of 39 points was after the game was already way out of hand.
Look at the Ohio State offensive scores when they play us over the last decade. They are going to score points. We need to have an offense that can keep pace.
In no way did our "averages 37 ppg" offense come close to doing that.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:10 PM ^
You can’t put our O at 13 through 3 quarters and still say OSU had 41...they had a blocked punt for a TD and an interception at the 20 so if our O scored 13 then theirs scored 27.
December 3rd, 2018 at 4:17 PM ^
And OSU's blocked punt TD and INT that set them up with a short field was all offense? Moving goalposts and making shit up, the MGoBoard Difference.
December 3rd, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
Do you suppose, as I do, that Don Brown will spend every waking minute the next 11 months perseverating about stopping quick slants and picks? I'm thinking 37 will be enough unless Urban has a wrinkle to spring on us.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
I didn't say that. I only want to see more throwing. 2019 will probably be the last that DPJ, Black, Collins, and Martin will all be on the roster.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:42 PM ^
Agreed. If Shea comes back (looks pretty likely) then we have the horses to be a dominant offense that should put up points early and often.
This year we were content with body punches / yards with the expectation that defenses would eventually wear out. That doesn't work as well if the other team is moving the ball against us and keeping its defense fresh. We need to have the ability to win multiple ways (quick strike or grind-it-out).
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^
Tired of losing.....I've heard that before.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^
NEVER assume.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
If Shea comes back does Mac have a chance to be the guy?
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
Right. Bench the guy who just won 10-11 games, was 3rd team All Big Ten, and has shown great leadership. Shea would be the 1st returning starter at QB in the Harbaugh era. I am excited to see a jump in production from an already great year.
McCaffery looks good and will get every opportunity to have a great career ay Michigan and likely the NFL. His time will come.
December 3rd, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
Oh let’s fucking go! That tweet grabbed me by the throat and yanked me out of my post-OSU malaise. We’re still a football school! (Aren’t we? Yeah, yeah we are. I think.)
December 3rd, 2018 at 6:00 PM ^
Where else would Shea be playing next year?
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
That's a huge relief.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
I don't think the importance of this can be overstated. Next years Oline will be one of the best in B1G. Runyan, Bredeson, Ruiz and Onwenu. Got a couple potential road graders in the wings to take JBB's spot. Things are really falling into place for offense to be elite next year.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
some of the young guys should provide depth, too. we've been pretty lucky with lack of injuries the past few years on the OL.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
i think it was someone on this board, or maybe on boards2go, that kept insisting that onwenu won't be starting next year...
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^
Should be Mayfield.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Going to need the offense to step up next year, as defense likely not as strong with Gary, Bush and Winovich all exiting. The replacements are good but not yet All-B1G caliber. Also, DT takes a depth hit with Mone and Lawrence graduating. However, with Hinton and Smith coming in we should be better at DT by mid-season ... counting on Dwumford and Solomon to take off in development. On the backend if we lose L.Hill and Long, things could get a bit dicey for the first time in Brown's tenure. Hawkins, D.Hill and Metullus in a safety rotation ... hopefully D.Hill can add some cover speed to the group.
With a very solid OL, Shea coming back and we start to feature our elite WRs more can we get to #10 in scoring offense? That is about 41 ppg
Odd statistical finish to the year:
- Offense @ #19 in scoring / #44 in total offense per game
- Defense @ #12 in scoring / #1 in total defense per game
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:22 PM ^
Smart. Love our Seniors.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
Good.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
So we're going to have an experienced, talented, OL, with some depth, next season?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
And really good WR's returning....
If Shea returns, we really need to open up the playbook. I'm not sure we'll have a back on the roster that can be as productive as Karan was this year.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^
Hope Christian Turner, or Charbonnet, can be 80% of what Higdon was this year.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:43 PM ^
Strong run blocking offensive line, weak pass protecting line, new QB in a new system, young unproven WR, stud returning HB. Of course the offense was designed to bring along the OL slowly and keep them out of obvious passing situations. They still are not good as a 5 man unit by themselves pass blocking.
The offense will be incredible next year as Shea matures with the weapons he has. Look for even less but more efficient passing as we jump on teams early then downshift into bleeding the clock in the 2nd half of blowouts.
I think the RPO's will be the difference. They were slowly working them in. I think Shea missed 2 good passing opportunities and gave the handoff vs OSU, but he will have it perfected by next year.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
Look for even less but more efficient passing as we jump on teams early then downshift into bleeding the clock in the 2nd half of blowouts.
I really hope this is not the case. If the teams in the playoffs are any indication, and if JH learned anything from the last OSU game, we need to throw the ball more often in our base offense and rep that a lot so that we can keep pace with the other high scoring offenses around the league. Nothing wrong with running, but it seems clear we can't count on beating the top defensive teams, including OSU, with a run first mentality and only throwing on 2 & 3rd down after running into a wall has only gained us 2-4 yards.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:44 PM ^
I think we need a RB with some vision. Higdon was good (great by many measures).........and from all appearances a great captain. Still, he was not "electric" when he touched the ball. I am probably nitpicking but with a capable OL and a great RB we could be dangerous. I just watched OSU and Georgia over the weekend and it seems like we are just a slight talent level (and some coaching adjustments) off from a formidable offense.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^
I know this may be an unpopular take, but I agree. Higdon was a very solid RB. But, he lacked the electricity that our running game needed. He generally got what the line gave him, plus some good YAC, but he wasn't the type of guy who would take over a game like some of our RB from the 1990s. I am hopeful that one of the young guys coming in can fill that role. I know that Harbaugh likes the "body blows" that a guy like Higdon delivers, but touchdowns on 65 yard runs are pretty good for winning, as well.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:29 PM ^
Higdon was more of a one cut back. He had great breakaway speed once he got past the first line, but he was not shifty and great at finding holes. Evans seems better at that, but lacks the breakaway speed. If only we could combine them. I think Evans will be the #1, but Charbonet looks really good and I'm guess he splits snaps come mid-season.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^
Attempting to make Chris Evans into an RB1, in-between-the-tackles runner...may have shortened my life by years this season.
I hate it and if I ever see Evans run directly at a LB again I may scream. Kamara from the Saints is an analogous type of runner (except I think Kamara is tougher)
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^
John Beilein plays defense and uses a Center now, too.
Time to refill your crazy pill prescription.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
In other news, via twitter:
Michigan safety Josh Metellus didn't commit to returning next season and will do his due diligence about whether to submit his name to the NFL Draft or return for his senior year https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-Wolverines-Josh-Metellus-NFL-Draft-Peach-Bowl-125819817/
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
Good for Josh - getting the right inputs (ie: due diligence) is the correct thing for any player looking at the NFL to do...
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
Byeeeeeee!!!! Listen he made some huge plays, had multiple pick 6's, and overall was a solid tackler and contributor on the nations #1 defense. Also, I can't name who his replacement would be since Kinnel is moving on too. Plenty of reasons for us to want him back. But MAN was he bad in pass coverage and also took some HORRIBLE angles this year because of his lack of speed. I truly think we'll be better off if he leaves so it forces us to get more speed on the field.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
2018 Metullus showed great improvement in pass pro. He actually is a very good safety. I think PFF rated him pretty high if I am not mistaken. Be careful what you ask for.
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Did we have two safeties named Metellus this year? Because you were obviously watching the other one.
The safety I was watching was fast, played like a safety (not the CB you obviously want), and our defense took a noticeable step backwards whenever he left the field. Should be good for mid rounds in the draft.
December 11th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
K given the Dax Hill news, I'll eat crow now. Please come back Josh!
December 3rd, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^
Good for him. I don't see him being a high pick, I doubt he enters the draft, but if he does so be it. I am comfortable there wouldn't be significant drop off, especially with Dax Hill coming in.
December 3rd, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
But will Martellus be back?
December 4th, 2018 at 11:35 AM ^
Hope that Marsellus stays because he'll be going all medieval on Michigan's opponents next season.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^
Some good news. The offensive line looks like a strength next year, which is huge.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:33 PM ^
Link for MGoBoard:
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
Click the chain icon. Paste the link in the box under "open file browser." Click "save." Really easy, mate.
December 3rd, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
Awesome!!!! Some good news!