Does Rashan Gary play again or make the business decision like Nick Bosa?

Submitted by BigWeb on October 22nd, 2018 at 12:30 PM

Other Michigan friends/fans and I discussed this last night. I personally think he is done but what do I know. 

Talk amongst yourselves.

Brhino

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:34 PM ^

None of us can make an informed answer about that since none of us know the specific nature of the injury and Harbaugh is not inclined to discuss it.  It's kind of irresponsible to speculate about it my opinion, especially because you're also speculating about Gary's motives and character in doing so.

AnthonyThomas

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:36 PM ^

I'll ask him the next time I see him. Maybe give me your cell number, OP? That way he can text you directly.

Oh hell, can you include your address and SS number as well? Just in case there's any trouble getting back to you.

Mich1993

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:38 PM ^

He's got an injured shoulder that he has been playing through for over a year.  Give him the benefit of the doubt.  I would assume that if he is healthy he will play.  If he is not healthy, he won't.

Bo Schemheckler

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

He's never gonna pull a full Bosa, Rashan came here to play school as well as football. Honestly I wouldn't be upset if he didn't play again until OSU or even save him for a potential playoff game if needed. If that's what he needs to get fully healthy I would be ok with it, we would need him in a playoff run.

JPC

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^

I'm not sure anyone can even cast Bosa's actions in a negative light. Urban is a mercenary who created a "me first" culture in his program. Bosa is just following his coaches lead. 

Would any of us want our kids to sacrifice an ounce of their future to support something like that?

ppToilet

October 22nd, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^

Bosa did not need to pull out of school for his injury. He could have stayed, gone to rehab, and gone to classes. Pulling out of OSU means that school is irrelevant to him. That's not the case, IMHO, with Rashan Gary or his family. Even if Gary never plays another snap at Michigan and goes pro, I will bet he comes back and gets his degree. So, he's not going to follow Bosa's lead.

Perkis-Size Me

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

Obviously he's got to do what's best for him, but if it were up to me and his injury permits, I'd say he should finish out the season. Not necessarily for my own selfish reasons, but because he just doesn't have a lot of tape to go by for this year. And especially not tape against good competition. The kind of tape that decides if he's a mid-late first round pick, or a top-10 pick. He's still going first round no matter what, if for no other reason than his potential, but I think backing out now could potentially cost him a few million bucks. This is only if his injury permits he's able to come back. 

The one other thing I'd say, though (and I say this with no insider info whatsoever, just my pure opinion): no half measures here, Rashan. If you're working to get back on the field this season, that's great. Come back when you think you're ready to go. But if you're already cashing out and heading to the league, that's fine too. Just don't string your team and your coaches along waiting to decide. I'm NOT saying that's what he's doing. I'd just hope that if he does decide he needs to back out now and focus on getting ready for the NFL, he just do it now and rip the band-aid off vs. keeping his teammates waiting and wondering. 

dragonchild

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

Or, if he shuts down for the year it may in fact be in his best interest to come back next year.  I don't say that as a homer (well OK I do maybe a little), but you're 100% correct in that while everyone damn well knows he can dominate, he hasn't yet shown that because he's been injured all this time.

Which, I mean, talk about taking one for the team, but if there are two things NFL scouts don't like, they're uncertainty and injury.  So one option for Gary is to shut it down, undergo surgery (if necessary), rehab in the offseason and have a monster senior season.  It'd be great for Michigan, sure, conflict of interest on full display.  But again, he doesn't have that "I am a monster" tape that Bosa had before he went down.  That difference is a lot of money.

Perkis-Size Me

October 22nd, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^

That's my exact thought. He's got as much potential to dominate as Bosa does. He just hasn't consistently shown it yet. Not for lack of trying or any crap like that. Just that damn lingering shoulder injury that has held him back from being 100%. 

He's just got to do what he thinks is best for him. Wouldn't at all blame him if he decided to shut it down now and start getting ready for the league. It'd suck, especially as we're pushing for a Big Ten title / CFP berth, but I'd get it, especially at the risk of further injury. I'd just hate to see him miss out on a higher draft status and potentially an extra few million bucks in his pocket.

ijohnb

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:40 PM ^

I think we will have a pretty definitive answer at 3:30 on November 3rd.  Until then, I would rather discuss how Josh Uche sacks ALL the players.

The Claw

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^

Personally, if its me and I have something torn in my shoulder, there's only one thing I'd do. And that is to get it fixed immediately.  If recovery is fast and you can play again, great, if not, then you have a decision to make. Maybe he goes and maybe he doesn't. But at least he'll be healed appropriately.  And we could hope he comes back for his senior year since he had most of his junior year taken away, which could happen. Academics are certainly a priority for RG. And you know he has a burning desire to win a championship here. And beat the rivals. Bet it hurt watching the guys do what it did on Saturday. Either decision is the right one for RG, because it's his. Heal up stud!

MGoFunkadelic

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^

after seeing OSU's Defense against Purdue i can see why Bosa would want to focus on an abdominal injury that is a very difficult injury to know when you are ready to return to football.

Gary has an AC joint issue which can be painful but is much easier to address and know when you are ready to go 100%.

dragonchild

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^

He was playing through it for a while so despite what the draft boards say, scouts are going to wonder to what extent the injury impacts him long-term.  Bosa's situation is somewhat different because he was playing at a high level and then had a bad injury.  His upside is out there on tape.  Gary's injury was chronic; no one has seen Gary in his final form.

goblue4321

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

I think gary needs to come back next year, if he doesn't play rest year I could see him slip to early second round draft, injuries make nfl teams run away

ScooterTooter

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^

My personal opinion: It was probably agreed to wait till the Penn State game because the Michigan State game was entirely winnable without him. That gives him a full five weeks of rest after going out of the NW game. 

There was no point in putting him out there against the garbage in green, who definitely would have spent the entire game trying to injure him. 

J.

October 22nd, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^

No, it is not.  All that's implied was that Harbaugh trusted Gary to make the decision about whether or not he could contribute in that particular game.  Sometimes, doing the best thing for the team means going out to see what happens.  Sometimes, it means telling the coach, "I can't go."

All the doctors can do is render an opinion as to whether or not it is safe for Gary to play; not whether or not he can do so effectively.

Marvin

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^

How is this a topic that anyone can even speculate on? There is too much that we simply don't know. How can you even compare Bosa and Gary when you have no idea what Gary is dealing with? This is a discussion that can only go nowhere, since there is zero evidence on which to draw comparisons between the two situations. And why would anyone care what another poster on this site had to say about this topic since it would only be based on the airiest of hypotheticals? 

When I see thread titles like this I feel the same as I do when I'm really hungry and all that's in the pantry are rice cakes. 

 

4th and Go For It

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^

Not sure this is the kind of thing worth speculating about. Either he will or won’t but us sitting around guessing about a kid’s motivations is only going to end badly. Rashan is by all accounts a great leader, a hard worker, focused on academics as well as football, and played through pain to help this team regularly. If he plays, that’s awesome. If he doesn’t, good for him. Even loosely comparing him to another guy and his choices can make some pretty ugly assumptions. He hasn’t left Ann Arbor, he’s still works out at practice with the team. that’s all we know until a decision other than that is made. 

NowTameInThe603

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^

Kind of tired of this topic. I think he plays again.

If we only consider his draft stock in making his decision. I think him coming back a performing bad would have a greater impact on his draft stock than coming back and getting injured unless its something crazy severe. Jaylon Smith had his knee issue and was drafted in the second. I shoulder injury is far less concerning. I would say late first is his floor no matter what.

The only way to improve his stock is to play but is it worth the risk? I think when you add in other factors like competing for a B1G Championship, beating OSU and competing in the playoffs the answer is a resounding YES. But that is my opinion.

Leaders And Best

October 22nd, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^

This is what you discussed after a rivalry win. I think some fans just want to be miserable all the time.

He is not dressed right now which means he has an injury that is significant enough to not even chance playing right now. He isn't magically going to go back to 100% overnight. His replacement, Kwity Paye, is playing well and healthy. As long as that is the case, why rush Gary back especially with a bye week coming?

And you probably aren't going to get confirmation either for another two weeks as I doubt the coaches will go on the record before a big game against PSU. And if he doesn't play against PSU, why risk playing him before OSU unless something changes? Quite honestly, if he wasn't near 100%, I think he made the right decision, not only for himself, but for the team as well. He is still in school and participating with the team so I don't know why we are having this conversation. We didn't have it with Tarik Black or Aubrey Solomon while they were rehabbing their injuries for weeks.

superstringer

October 22nd, 2018 at 1:10 PM ^

I have zero problem if that is, in fact, his decision, because I look at it from the larger picture.  The NCAA is getting what they asked for, so eff the NCAA.

The NCAA continues to piss into the wind, claiming these are STUDENT athletes who aren't worthy or, or don't deserve, to get paid, and that they are getting more than their market's worth in the form of free education.  The existence of bag men shelling out 5- and 6-figure amounts disproves that argument.  Isn't the very definition of market value, "what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller."  Well, there's a market for players, and the NCAA is basically trying to run a communist system to ignore the black market for these players.

So with the NCAA refusing to pay players, here's a shocker:  If some players know for a fact they are going to get a big pay day, they might be refusing to play for free.  If that's what Gary is doing, or Peppers, or Bosa, or other guys, that's just PURE capitalism and market economics.  We should all be fine with that.

 

4th phase

October 22nd, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^

The answer is no....and it's obvious because if he were going to pull a Bosa then he would have dropped out of school by now. He isn't going to do that. He's going to continue to rehab and practice and try to come back. 

Also op the reason people are giving you shit about the thread is because it inevitably brings out a bunch of people who want to bash Gary, call him over rated, question his dedication, etc.