Valenti goes ape on MSU
SIAP For those interested... link is below.. .was surprised at some of the things he said, especially acknoledging Michigan has passed them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmd6lWp-RDo&feature=youtu.be
October 9th, 2018 at 4:16 AM ^
"But if he's correct, it's by accident."
Well, you know the old saying: "Even an obnoxious clock is right twice a day."
October 9th, 2018 at 5:45 AM ^
Good post worthy of the 20MGoPointMan fwiw...nicely quantified "emotion at the expense of reason". Basically this sums up why I don't enjoy listening to him...but this tirade was delicious I'm ashamed to say.
October 9th, 2018 at 5:49 PM ^
If you still root for MSU after Nassar and what's happened under Mork and Izzo, then nothing will dissuade you.
October 8th, 2018 at 11:46 PM ^
I don’t care for all of your hot takes, and I actually like most of you people. I don’t like this douche, and couldnt care less to hear his bitching and whining.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:13 AM ^
I must be taking crazy pills but this is good schadenfreud if you actually listen to it
October 9th, 2018 at 12:32 AM ^
If you haven’t heard his rant after MSU was knocked out of the tournament by Syracuse I highly recommend it. It is epic. “Come down off that cross, Tom!!!”
October 9th, 2018 at 2:34 AM ^
“Come down off that cross, Tom” was one of the few times Valenti was spot on
October 9th, 2018 at 8:00 AM ^
I watched it at least five times. "If I had a five star kid I wouldn't send him there, and that's my team!" Was great as well.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^
Valenti brings out the Festivus in the rest of us.
October 8th, 2018 at 11:50 PM ^
The only currency he cares about is clicks/view/shares/listens; don't feed the trolls, as they say
October 8th, 2018 at 11:53 PM ^
Valenti is a fun listen but I don’t feel like they have quit this season. They will look like a different team against Michigan.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:47 AM ^
Teal uniformz?
October 9th, 2018 at 5:51 AM ^
You got that right; come October 20th the Spartans are suddenly going to be a crazy good offense with a crazy good defense. Ironically, I think it's going to be our staff who has to worry about getting conservative. Hopefully we keep building on what we're doing, take the State game for the challenge it's going to be, and move on with the win stronger than ever.
October 9th, 2018 at 8:45 AM ^
That "crazy good" offense will last for three series', and then it'll be back to the no-running, pass happy, all-Lewerke all-the-time offense they've sucked at all year. There are only so many new plays they can run before Brown gets it figured out and shuts it down. The 'crazy good' defense might last for a couple of series' because Michigan's offense will miss a block or drop a pass. After that, we'll see the same offense we've seen all year - the one that owns the ball for large amounts of yards, times, and scores.
This game will be another 30-10 4th quarter wrecking, like 2016 was. The only question will be whether Harbaugh takes his foot off the gas this time...
Personally, and by 'personally' I speak for all of us, I hope he floors it and pours on score after score capped with Ben Mason 2-pt runs at Reschke. I'm sick of hearing Mack Dintanya have something to say that doesn't start with 'we got beat'.
October 9th, 2018 at 10:45 AM ^
I get the feeling this is the year that we have been in a shell for the first half only to unload a whole new team on the next three opponents. I don't know why but I feel like harbaugh is pulling a mork ditoni this year
October 8th, 2018 at 11:55 PM ^
Every time somebody posts a Valenti thread I wonder why in world anyone would listen to him and who those people are and then I realize that I frequent this place with those same people and then have to question my own choices. Stop making me question spending time on mgoblog please.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:11 AM ^
It’s a 15 minute clip of some great schadenfreud in my opinion
October 9th, 2018 at 6:48 AM ^
Schadenfreude. You're selling it short.
October 9th, 2018 at 5:55 AM ^
I don't know why folks dis on him so much, it's his job to drum up banter. I can see me when I turn 90 - if I still have my faculties - dialing him up and giving him a piece of my mind, all brimstone and spittle.
October 9th, 2018 at 7:07 AM ^
The level of discourse on here is orders of magnitude more intelligent than what you hear on talk radio. I guess the only reason some would choose to turn it on is you can't surf MGoBlog on your afternoon commute home from work.
Myself, I turned off WDFN years ago in favor of NPR. My brain is the better for it.
October 9th, 2018 at 7:40 AM ^
But why is this still up ---Valenti is delete worthy according to the MGoBoard rules/FAQ. I posted a on a similar occasion in the spring when Sparty lost in the Bball tournament and Michigan was rolling. Valenti was ripping into Mork and praising Beilein but my post was gone in a half hour. I'm pretty sure Brian would prefer Valenti go back to the Jersey airwaves and talk about Rutgers.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^
on mgoblog 3.0 you can't edit or delete threads is my guess
October 8th, 2018 at 11:58 PM ^
I miss living in Michigan. Not specifically listening to Vakenti, which I did occasionally, but everything about living in Michigan
October 9th, 2018 at 6:43 AM ^
Cheers to that. Midwest is best.
October 9th, 2018 at 8:05 AM ^
Meh. I grew up in Michigan and ohio, but moved to texas almost 5 years ago. Hopefully never move away. Texas is way better in my opinion.
October 9th, 2018 at 8:29 AM ^
No thank you. Texas is too damn hot/humid and (I imagine) full of wannabe cowboys. I moved away from Michigan 6 years ago and have missed it ever since. To each their own.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:05 AM ^
Lots of idiots everywhere. Just be warned...don't move to Kansas. We felt as though we had to...but OMG!!! The state color is brown and their motto is "Provincialism Forever!!!". As far as I can tell Texas and Oklahoma are similar to Kansas.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^
Don't miss living in Michigan at all besides of course being close to the Big House... Charlotte is beautiful and we get hardly any snow or below freezing temps... Plus this city loves some sports...
October 9th, 2018 at 12:02 AM ^
Mikey V is old news.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:10 AM ^
I enjoyed that, thanks for sharing
October 9th, 2018 at 12:12 AM ^
Paging Dr. Zaius
October 9th, 2018 at 1:39 AM ^
Done and done:
October 9th, 2018 at 12:16 AM ^
Well, I find it difficult to believe he won't completely change his tune if they beat us in a couple weeks.
October 9th, 2018 at 12:30 AM ^
Who's Mork Valini?
October 9th, 2018 at 1:10 AM ^
Not sure if Izzo or Valenti is the most passive aggressive Sparty but it's close.
October 9th, 2018 at 1:15 AM ^
I don't even know what he's mad about.
The 2018 MSU football team looks a bit like the 2012 MSU football team. Dreadful offense. Decent enough defense (though not quite as good as 2012), especially when Josiah Scott gets back.
They'll probably go 6-6 or 7-5 this year. Well - it happens. It happened in 2012 also. MSU will have those type of years from time to time, they're not a "reload" program they are a "coach-up and rebuild" program.
He's all mad about Dave Warner - but Warner was the one who led them OUT of 2012 and into a power-house offense in 2014! Maybe it's time for fresh blood from Warner, but Dantonio has that track-record of finding someone good when the previous OC (Dan Roushar) left.
Get a new OC at the end of 2018 (and I tend to think MSU does), and they should be fine.
October 9th, 2018 at 1:46 AM ^
MSU seems to be having similar problems as Michigan was having last year. While the majority of the blame is falling on the OC, there isn't much to work with on the offense to begin with. They've had injuries, yes. But their o-line isn't opening up too many holes for the RBs to run through which makes their offense heavily reliant on Lewerke, who in turn hasn't lived up to offseason hype and has fallen back to average. To compound their problems, MSU's defense has weaknesses that other teams have been able to exploit.
NittanyFan pointed out 2012 as a year of regression for them. That was also the year after Kirk Cousins graduated and they didn't have a QB to lead them out of trouble. Similar thing happened when Cook graduated and MSU fell down to 3-9. These teams are super dependent on the QB and if MSU doesn't have a passing threat, their offense suffers.
October 9th, 2018 at 4:07 AM ^
Might be bad form bringing up this issue but their sexual assault attrition has been unusually high of late, even measured against Baylor et al, and it captured several blue chips that would have and should have been the future of the team. How is there no aknowledgement of that by Valenti? We’re talking about a team dynamic, a team culture that somehow just gets swept under the rug with no real consequences? That’s hogwash. The culture went deep into the staff and moreso than firing after the 2016 3-9 debacle there should have been a meaningful cleaning house after the assault scandal came to light.
October 9th, 2018 at 7:22 AM ^
Valenti had been publicly skeptical of the ESPN OTL reports about the culture of sweeping sexual assaults by players under the rug. When the story broke in the middle of the Nassar scandal, Valenti lined up with most of the Spartan faithful as decrying ESPN as being opportunistic and chasing page-clicks; so it's not too surprising that he wouldn't factor this into any of his rant about the state of Spartan football.
October 9th, 2018 at 4:08 AM ^
I don't understand how none of you have mentioned that cousins and cook were the two best qbs Michigan state's program has ever seen.
They weren't and aren't going to have a record breaking qb every single recruiting cycle.. yet msu fans just thought they could reload.
October 9th, 2018 at 5:12 AM ^
I'm confused. So were they the 2 best QB's MSU has had? I would say by what they accomplished they were, and that what they have done in the pro's solidify that. I guess the part about MSU fans thinking they could reload is debatable, but the MSU fans I know only really care about beating Michigan.
October 9th, 2018 at 6:15 AM ^
That thought process makes sense though. Since Dantonio has been at MSU, they've had Hoyer, Cousins, and Cook lead them. All 3 of them have carved out some sort of career in the NFL (Cook is TBD) and none of them were highly rated. That kind of long term QB success can indicate that it's not just coaches lucking into good QBs but that they know how to develop good players.
October 9th, 2018 at 1:51 AM ^
State recruits like a mid major program. I don't know what they expect. Dantonio has far exceeded any reasonable expectations you could have set when he arrived, and somehow MSU fans have developed this fallacious line of thinking that starz don't matter and talent means nothing. In other words, if you aren't winning at the highest level it couldn't possibly be due to a lack of talent.
October 9th, 2018 at 7:17 AM ^
MSU fans have developed this fallacious line of thinking that starz don't matter and talent means nothing.
This plus their complete lack of acknowledgement that a large portion of Dantonio's success came because Penn State and Michigan were at their nadir as programs. Now that PSU and Michigan have righted their respective ships Sparty fans are completely shocked, shocked to find that Dantonio can't seem to squeeze out the same kind of success out of his teams they've become used to.
October 9th, 2018 at 8:54 AM ^
I'm gonna on record here as saying that Dantonyo is a really good coach. And I think most of us will agree with that. However, as you (Ferris) just pointed out, he had the benefit of taking some really good recruits away from MSU's two main rivals in the shared recruiting region when both of those programs were at historical low points. But even so, I don't think he ever recruited better than ~#20 in the rankings, right?
MSU is a historically middle tier program. And with Michigan and PSU getting back into shape, they will again fight with Minnesota, NW, Indiana, and Iowa for those middle tier bowl games.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:01 AM ^
And honestly, can anyone objectively state that his record against Michigan would be what it is if he'd coached at any other yime since 1969? He got 7 years against Hoke and Rich Rod, not to mention the fallout after Hoke was gone. He's done a great job in many aspects but his success has been padded by dumb luck as well.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:07 AM ^
Dumb luck ...
But the reality of human history is that, many times, success happens just because you showed up at the right place and time.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:28 AM ^
I've made the argument in previous threads that if you had dropped Dantonio's teams into the Big 10 of the mid-to-late 90's they would've fared no better than Saban's squads. I still stand by that assertion.
October 9th, 2018 at 10:32 AM ^
I agree with your perspective on this timeline, we're a muffed snap and a monsoon game from his ass being squarely on the hot seat.
October 9th, 2018 at 9:33 AM ^
I think Dantonio is a good coach, clearly a massive upgrade over Bobby Williams and John L. Smith, but for a while there was a narrative that he was one of the elite coaches in college football, a Top 10 level guy, a claim at which I always scoffed. Elite coaches get recruited by higher profile coaching gigs, and nobody has ever come looking for Dantonio in his time at MSU. He deserves credit for squeezing out the maximum amount of performance available in the competitive environment he was afforded, but that doesn't make him Big 10 Bear Bryant.