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01/18/2019 - 11:52am I directly am not in that…

I directly am not in that position, I stare at computer programs all day.  I do know many people who are mandatory reporters and the struggles they deal with but at the end of the day they do the right thing. 

So you can make bullshit asinine comments attacking people or engage in civil discussion about what you think would have been right in this situation 

Also at the end of the day its not my job role to do that and to come across a situation like this for an every day person is extremely rate.  But it was in her job, she did come across a situation like this and she probably gets a B / B+ how she handled it.  Last I checked that doesn't get you into Michigan

01/17/2019 - 8:32pm I understood it to be a week…

I understood it to be a week that she went back to her boss and was like what’s the deal. I think it was still along long time until the FBI did anything serious or nasser was fired. 

01/17/2019 - 5:23pm how dare we come to a…

how dare we come to a reasonable understanding of mutual disagreement! 

That's fair, had this been done in a different way maybe it could have worked out.  IMO I would have like them to reach out to some of the more prominent figures not associated with the university (Racahel Denhollinder, Aly Raismen, and the other victims who told her first).  I think if they circled the wagons fully I might have a different view.  

Alas we are where we are and now lets learn and move forward! 

 

01/17/2019 - 3:21pm timeline was longer than a…

timeline was longer than a week; and by the time the third gymnast went to her and told her in graphic detail she should have called the police.  If not then when Rachael Denhollander went public she should have been by her side publicly.

Timeline aside, they both told their bosses then sat back saying job well done.  Don't get me wrong, I don't actually think they are on the same level, but for those saying she told her boss what else should she have done, should really assess their view of JoePa

01/17/2019 - 1:44pm I definitely understand your…

I definitely understand your view and thats completely fair, we don't know the dynamics of how this presented.   I think we just disagree on the view of the Leaders and Best.  Your view is we should have done what was right by team regardless of public opinion (I think thats what your saying I could have it wrong, if so sorry). 

In my view we should hold ourselves to a higher moral standard and while unfortunate fro Faehn part of that higher moral standard is not hiring her.  No clue if thats a right view or not, just my view. 

01/17/2019 - 12:41pm This 100x.  This is why…

This 100x.  This is why mandatory reports are supposed to tell authorities, not superiors.  I don't get how we paint JoePa in one light and her in another. 

Even if she did more than JoePa I don't know if she did enough.  

01/17/2019 - 11:54am Likewise, my opinion is…

Likewise, my opinion is based on what I read, and this is something that is way more cloudy than not.  I think the thing that ultimately swayed me was the tweets by Rachael Denhollander and the lack of support she felt once she went public.  

I don't discredit anything that Faehn did to report, or even that she waiting to follow-up.  I do take concern that once Rachael and others came forward publicly that Faehn didn't come forward publicly then.  Not legal concern, but moral and ethical.

Again all opinions on a very cloudy, messy, emotional thing

01/17/2019 - 11:40am I definitely understand your…

I definitely understand your view but disagree some.  Michigan is a public institution, the public perception is very important.  If a small community within the University is ok with something but it paints the institution in a bad light, that is very bad for the community as a whole.  We have a stellar reputation thus far and we should look to keep it as clean as possible. 

As far as collateral damage yes and no.  She was viewed as innocent in this from a legal perspective.  I think that is right.  She did what she had to at a minimum (maybe more).  There was a ton more she could have done to come away completely clean and as a champion / advocate for those women and girls.  Yes her career took a hit in the short-term; that's probably right and ok.  I think she should absolutely be allowed to work at lower levels, gain back all of the trust she lost and work her way back up.  Maybe this is fair, maybe not.  But as someone else said, unfortunately given the severity of the situation I don't think there is an alternative. 

Lastly, as far as the kids, I don't know how much was done to truly let their voices and concerns be felt.  was this a quick flippant question?  was this a private session where they truly felt free and comfortable to express their views?  I think given the power dynamic at play you have to be mindful they could have felt pressured to fall in line.  Maybe, maybe not, but I don't fully take value in them being good with it.  

01/17/2019 - 10:47am I really think we need to…

I really think we need to stop pointing to that testimony.  It wasn't a trial where there was an opposition who could dig into the facts.  It was a lawyer written testimony to congress.  Yes she looked good, but the point in those situations is to look good.

If she previously availed herself to the press or public and came off that well, thats a different story.  A pre-written testimony should not be the basis on which we solely grade her. 

01/17/2019 - 10:43am While complicit is probably…

While complicit is probably too strong, I think active is as well.  Yes she reported, and followed-up.  But she also sat silent at some pretty critical times.  

01/17/2019 - 10:16am I mostly agree; and yes she…

I mostly agree; and yes she did report and she was thrown into an existing toxic culture.  The issue I have is exactly what Denhollander pointed out, is once she and some of the other gymnasts came out publicly, she was still silent while the victims were scrutinized in the public eye.  She could have helped by coming forward.

A well rehearsed and scripted testimony to congress of the things she did does not absolve her.  Has she come out publicly after anyone of these girls did and say "Yes this is true, here is what I know and here is who I told" then this whole thing would be different.  

I don't hold her in the same light as those who are truly guilty, and those people are in jail, but I do not hold her in the same light as the brave women who came forward, nor do I view her as someone who is immediately employable at Michigan. 

Even if that role was a step down, she needed to start over and work her way back up. 

Lastly, Plocki asking her gymnasts is a power dynamic we have to consider.  If a coach asks you do something how many would speak out.  Were they asked to provide anonymous feedback?  Or to provide feedback directly to Manuel who would keep it confidential?  If not, its often repeating the mistakes we just learned about the power dynamic in this sport. 

 

01/16/2019 - 2:26pm Chicken / Turkey / Beef…

Chicken / Turkey / Beef gravy? 

01/14/2019 - 8:01pm No I would say Rachael…

No I would say Rachael Denhollander did what nobody else did.  She fought and clawed publicly and screamed from the rooftops until finally other brave women spoke out.  The whole time that was happening this coach sat silent even though she knew it all was true.  

She sent one email.  She did the minimum to not be guilty in the toxic culture that existed.  

01/14/2019 - 5:00pm and people / former players…

and people / former players still support parterno 

01/14/2019 - 4:59pm she has blame too.  not…

she has blame too.  not enough blame to be behind bars but certainly enough blame.  three gymnasts told her what had gone down.  I get reporting it up and letting it be if it was just one, but by the time the third person tells her, how she doesn't call the cops is a straight up mystery.  

she was not a low lever staffer, she was the head. 

This is no different than JoePa telling an AD and going, welp did my job

01/14/2019 - 4:57pm except she is innocent which…

except she is innocent which is why she is not in jail.  that doesn't mean your required to give her a job.  people get fired all the time for far more mundane things.  she did not do enough to protect innocent children.  she did the bare minimum to not go to jail.  

01/14/2019 - 2:20pm I mostly agree with you, but…

I mostly agree with you, but in the context of legal culpability.  In the eyes of the law, yes we should take a very nuanced approach for innocent or guilty and I think that was done.


However as a representative of the University and w.r.t. a conduct clause for employment I don't want any association.  Maybe in a few years, or if it was handled differently who knows, but now no.  

Also, above all, I think her responses one this all came out and her absolute silence except for her testimony says a lot as well.  

Lastly, if she was a low level employee then that's one thing; she was the coach and had three different girls tell her directly.  Waiting weeks while her boss called the FBI was not enough.  Upon hearing about the second or third girl she should have made the call herself.  

01/14/2019 - 12:36pm no painting her in the same…

no painting her in the same brush would be saying she is guilty and should go to jail.  sending up the chain is probably the minimal thing you can do and she did.  it's also not like she was an underlying; she was the VP. 

For the personal conduct clause or whatever else you have about integrity in your contract the bar has to be higher than I sent an email once.  

If thats not the bar the JoePa is way more innocent than we all think 

01/10/2019 - 3:36pm after months of pondering he…

after months of pondering he finally has his retort to Chase's post game comments

01/03/2019 - 5:16pm I just like that the guy who…

  

01/03/2019 - 12:19pm I was visiting my sister…

I was visiting my sister during for the 1997 the Iowa game.  Marshmallow lands at her feed and she hands it to me to throw; I do and get promptly thrown out.... she didn't notice for over a quarter while I sat on the curb outside of the stadium gates. 

She came out just before the start of the 4th quarter and we hauled it back to her dorm room to watch as Michigan intercepted the ball to seal the game.  

Also Desmond Howard still caries his MCard with him

01/03/2019 - 12:13pm idontbecauseidontevenusespac…

idontbecauseidontevenusespaces

12/12/2018 - 1:31pm ah thanks; I should have…

ah thanks; I should have probably done that in the OP

12/12/2018 - 1:30pm thats a good point, as a…

thats a good point, as a multi-generational alumnus with spouses family the same and season tickets for a long time when I do cancel (this year is not my breaking point, but next year might) it would be a good step to take. 

12/12/2018 - 1:05pm yes - will definitely be…

yes - will definitely be cheaper to buy just the games you want at this point

12/12/2018 - 12:54pm yeah I didn't want to get…

yeah I didn't want to get into the tax aspects, but yes that bit hurts as well. 

12/10/2018 - 2:56pm completely fair and all…

completely fair and all valid!   thanks

12/10/2018 - 2:36pm thats fair and helpful, but…

thats fair and helpful, but that doesn't sound like sham, just a competitive profit driven company (not defending it, just stating).  From my understanding any mortgage broker company is insanely competitive and you gotta bust your tail to get the return, but the return is there.  At least there is an upside though unlike an amazon, walmart, etc where its just low pay and long hours?  

Definitely see the point and thats not a great work culture, but not too different than I would have expected. 

thanks for the insight!  

12/10/2018 - 1:43pm not to fully change topic…

not to fully change topic but why do you think QL is a sham company?  I agree they run much of the city, but it seems as though they have invested a ton into the city.   For the record I don't live in MI, nor work for QL, as an out of stater I only hear good things about them so curious as to your view. 

thanks

11/07/2018 - 1:26pm so much moves around in the…

so much moves around in the last couple of weeks i'm not concerned.  I will take the long shot that there is no chance that we win out and get left out.  if we did it would be chaos led first and foremost by Harbaugh.  

sure their rankings are laughable and how they arbitrarily judge teams is suspect; their main job right now is to get 1-4 correct.  so far I believe they have.  the rest is just noise. 

11/07/2018 - 1:18pm not sure i buy your tin foil…

not sure i buy your tin foil hat; if somehow uga beats bama and three 1 loss conf champions are left out in favor of 2 sec teams one of which didn't win it's conference, this whole thing would be burnt to the group. 

also osu barely beat nebraska, i don't think they would kill lsu

i do think the sec is massively overrated though. 

11/06/2018 - 2:51pm orange?

orange?

11/06/2018 - 9:56am what happens in a weird…

what happens in a weird world where Auburn beats Georgia but then Georgia beats Bama? 

11/05/2018 - 9:47am if you are serious about…

if you are serious about voting them out do not do a write in.  vote directly against them with the person on the ticket.  writing in doesn't do anything but take away votes from the person who could replace them

11/03/2018 - 3:01pm You seem like you would be…

You seem like you would be fun to hang with at a party.  Yes the responses weren’t great but a quick google gave answers pretty easily.  

10/31/2018 - 8:43am I never knew I wanted this…

I never knew I wanted this until now.  Do you think his living room has enough room for his charge calls?  Would he turn his back on players?  Or go nose to nose with his TV screen?  So many options.  

10/29/2018 - 1:03pm whoops your right; brain…

whoops your right; brain fart... fine OU lost to texas who has two losses... both of them not great.  All of that stuff matters.  I know head to head transitive doesnt work when your playing someone, but it certainly should when you are ranking teams.  

10/29/2018 - 12:40pm no way oklahoma gets in over…

no way oklahoma gets in over us... sure maybe they have beat more people but the committee will also look at some of the losses as well.  Ours is to a likely CFP bound ND and theirs is to middling MD who we throttled. 

10/25/2018 - 11:01am disagree - CBS is by far the…

disagree - CBS is by far the worst.  CBS is the only one you can't use to stream when you have a cable subscription; you have to buy it separately. 

10/24/2018 - 3:26pm if points worked I would say…

if points worked I would say we should make this a pos bang for you.... alas

10/22/2018 - 9:57am water is wet? 

water is wet? 

10/22/2018 - 9:50am can I get a TL;DL? 

can I get a TL;DL? 

should note am at work and it's more of a can't listen as opposed to didn't listen

10/18/2018 - 1:08pm went with my son recently,…

went with my son recently, had to divert him away in a panic, he was confused ... no bad ju ju 

10/18/2018 - 1:07pm the debate of fan vs…

the debate of fan vs. alumnus takes an interesting turn!  School property! 

10/18/2018 - 12:53pm I would say they are going…

I would say they are going to fail their first blue book... but I don't think people at state use blue books, or take tests.... or pass classes in general

10/12/2018 - 9:07am also, i'm telling you who…

also, i'm telling you who you should and shouldn't hate.  I am telling you one of the reasons that I don't read the freep is because of my hate for mitch album.  you can hate whoever you want, free county and all 

10/12/2018 - 9:06am has nothing to do with kids…

has nothing to do with kids seeing things on the internet; if me doing that is something that really bothers you, i'll take note and not do it next tim

10/12/2018 - 8:33am never said I am impacting…

never said I am impacting the world by not clicking.  I don't like the freep; i don't need a warning its a freep article though because I can see the link.

as far as mitch album he is a pretty terrible person who treats people around him and that he encounters like complete $hit.  he is an entitled a$$hole.  find anyone who has encountered him not at a book signing and they will agree.  His wife typically follows him around apologizing for all the mean horrible things he says.  In the scheme of things is this a big deal? No.  Do I want to give my business to that person?  No.  

his writing in a non sports context is pretty good but is an abysmal sports writer and the freep lets him write whatever her wants because of name brand

10/12/2018 - 6:40am For me it’s more about…

For me it’s more about continuous shoddy journalism and employment of known horrible people, e.g., Mitch Album.  The stretching article was just one example of a newspaper that has very little journalistic integrity.  

I don’t need the warnings, but I won’t click on the links 

10/09/2018 - 12:45pm on mgoblog 3.0 you can't…

on mgoblog 3.0 you can't edit or delete threads is my guess