If You Had to Guess Right Now, Does Meyer Stay, Suspend, or Terminate?

Submitted by xtramelanin on

Mates,

Despite some severely limited information (OSU is turtleing, for obvious reasons), we've had some great posts today about background information, FOIA denials, AD reactions and some fairly erudite comments about the issue.  Simple Question, with a follow up:

Does Meyer stay at ohio, stay and get suspended, or get let go?  And no matter your answer, why? 

XM

StraightDave

August 4th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^

Suspended a few games until the dust settles.  Unless the crazy anti-white heterosexual male left comes after him really hard, I don’t see him getting canned. 

jmblue

August 4th, 2018 at 9:49 PM ^

I think he gets fired.  I just don't see how you bring him back at this point, with all we've learned about Zach Smith.  Like others I read his statement as him fighting for his money.

kehnonymous

August 4th, 2018 at 9:54 PM ^

If I had to guess:

A further investigation finds out that not only did Meyer knew about Zach Smith, he also deliberately covered up evidence that would've prevented 9/11 had it come to light.  Most people outside of Ohio raises hell,  11W commenters say that the blame should lie with the actual terrorists, and what was Meyer supposed to do?  Casually racist remark about all the Arabs in Dearborn, *Michigan* gets +35 upvotes.  Ramzy writes a meandering article about Urban titled "The Man Who Knew Too Much" that ultimately concludes that while Urban acted wrongly, could any of us have honestly done better?

OSU reacts by issuing a deferred suspension of Meyer for the first three games, but credits 'administrative leave' towards the game time, so he's free to appear on the sidelines.  Meyer gets fired anyways before the last game of the season when he cold-cocks a prominent OSU donor with whom Shelley had been having an affair in revenge for all the U-Fla co-eds Urban had schtupped.

OSU then announces Bill Belichik as their next head coach.

Kevbaugh

August 4th, 2018 at 9:54 PM ^

Out.  Keeping an abuser on staff for so many years is inexcusable, and if he stays this will follow the team this season.and beyond.  That, and it's HIS JOB TO KNOW 

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

August 4th, 2018 at 9:54 PM ^

Gone.

The President and Trustees have to see the labels of “liar” and “DV enabler” sticking to him, especially with the press crucifying his character this weekend and people digging into Zach & Urban’s sordid, long history. Too big a risk if they clear him that a FOI request or other digging finds another incident somewhere in his past. 

gruden

August 4th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^

Originally I thought he had a decent shot at remaining.  After seeing him throw his bosses under the bus ("I reported it"), I think slim and none. 

 

Also, McMurphy has released a few more bits in response to statements and events, which makes me think he has more yet to be revealed.  That's got to scare the crap out of the OSU admin that there is more that could drag them further through the mud.  They may want to make the cut and end it soon.

borninAnnArbor

August 4th, 2018 at 10:04 PM ^

There is no way OSU would do anything to jeopardize their chance of beating Michigan.  I honestly believe that they will wait for a period of time to guage the fervor once the news cycle has moved on.  

I also believe, if he gets suspended, how long will be determined by how good TCU is percieved to be.  TCU is their third game.  If they are going to be good and might provide a challenge, he will be back then.  If not, OSU will pat themselves on their back, discuss how tough they are on discipline, and suspend him for 4 games.  He will make a triumphant return to great anticipation and fanfair for their 5th game, and possibly their only tough opponent up until that point, when they play Penn State.

Steve in PA

August 4th, 2018 at 10:06 PM ^

Starts as a suspension but ends as a firing.  I'm pretty sure there are lots of juicy things from Florida that will be making the news and not recycled bits either.  I'd even bet if there was enough digging, and there will be, there are things going all the way back to Utah.

Maybe he sits out a year and becomes next HC at Rutgers?  LOL.

Ty Butterfield

August 4th, 2018 at 10:10 PM ^

He will stay. Maybe a suspension, but zero chance he is fired. OSU athletic director will fall on the sword. You can Raback it. 

bronxblue

August 4th, 2018 at 10:14 PM ^

He'll be suspended for a couple of games, get some "training" about reporting, and be back on the sideline for the conference slate.  OSU doesn't strike me as a place ready to let their coach go over this, especially since they retained Smith despite the various arrests and, seemingly, with no discipline.

Bryan

August 4th, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^

He stays. 3/4 game suspension for not being completely truthful at media days and exercising poor judgment with Smith. 

I dislike OSU as much as the next guy, but it has to do it’s due diligence with an investigation. Everyone gets worked up over allegations that may or may not have occurred in the exact manner as reported by McMurphy initially reported. Anyone in this situation should be afforded a full and complete investigation. 

Woth the information out there, it doesn’t appear there’s just cause to terminate. 

The Man Down T…

August 4th, 2018 at 10:17 PM ^

Nothing is going to happen.  MAYBE a 1 or 2 game suspension against those powerhouse teams of Oregon State and Rutgers.  Look.  This is Ohio State.  To them criminal behavior is a resume enhancer and not something to be ashamed of like most normal people would be.  The police are covering for him. The admin is covering for him.  He'll get a mean talking to, have to call his mom, maybe sit out the first half of a game and all will be over.  If the NCAA had not forced the issue, Tressel would still be there.  That should tell you something. 

LDNfan

August 4th, 2018 at 10:21 PM ^

He should be terminated...and that is what I expect to happen if OSU wants to be considered a serious academic institution. Academically it may not be UM but I don't think its MSU either. 

The messages that show that the wives knew cannot be minimized...there is NO way something like this didn't get back to Urban. But if he didn't know it would only be because he didn't want to know so he should walk either way. 

xtramelanin

August 4th, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^

urban is a mandatory reporter.  if he 'reported it through the proper channels' he would have to have filed a written report within 72 hrs of acquiring the information.  in fact in michigan its a misdemeanor for mandatory reporters to fail to come forward.  if he filed that report, its all in black and white.  if he didn't, he told another lie yesterday.  surprise, surprise.

Heywood_Jablome

August 4th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^

If in fact this is a Title IX case.  That is not even certain at this point.

Lawyers can;t even agree whether title IX applies here.  So I'm sure Urban would get a pass.

xtramelanin

August 4th, 2018 at 10:39 PM ^

lawyers disagree about some of the most obvious things on the planet, its their job.  the law is clear as it relates to mandatory reporters: have knowledge, must report knowledge.  

Mr Miggle

August 4th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^

OSU's policy is as clear as can be. It could serve as a model for other schools where it might not be written as well and be open to interpretation. Maybe they can argue whether the Title IX office was required to pursue the allegations, but I can see no doubt about whether Meyer was required to report it to them. 

grumbler

August 5th, 2018 at 9:58 AM ^

Title IX absolutely applies here - Zach Smith was a university employee, and Title IX misconduct would violate his contract and get him canned.

What doesn't apply is Smith's wife being able to sue OSU for not firing Smith.  She isn't protected by Title IX, because she isn't a student or employee.  That's been settled in court.

So, no, Urban doesn't get a pass.  He either reported Smith to the Title IX coordinator, in which case he is in the clear because only they can investigate and adjudicate suspected Title IX violations, or he didn't, in which case he gone.  There isn't an in-between for which he can "get a pass."

 

LDNfan

August 4th, 2018 at 11:17 PM ^

You must've been drunk for the last week....

Urban lied at the B1G Media Days so what makes you so certain he isn't lying now to cover his ass? And he's on record saying that if a coach "lies he can never coach again"...so he should take his advice and gtfo. 

Besides, did he offer any proof that he reported it?

And since he was aware, why did he keep ZS on his staff? Are you ok with the idea that Urban kept a guy on his staff that he knew was abusive towards his wife? Isn't that clearly in violation of a "core value" for Urban?

WolverineHistorian

August 4th, 2018 at 10:43 PM ^

Knowing OSU's luck, I see one of two things happening.

1.  Urban stays.

2.  He's out (doesn't matter if he resigns, is fired, or has another "heart attack," it's all moot) and  OSU ends up getting a new coach who may seem like a no-namer at first but ends up being  better than Meyer and Nick Saban combined.  

OSU doesn't get to experience pain very long.  Just when you think they're finally going to get their comeuppance, something even better falls in their laps.  They obviously made some kind of pact with the devil around 2001 and I don't think they're through enjoying the benefits as of yet.   

Nemesis

August 5th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^

It is not luck.  Ohio is a great high school football state.  And all the kids in Ohio want to play for OSU.  Compare that to Florida which has Florida, FSU and Miami.  Look at Texas.  Being in a great high school football state and not having to compete for talent is a huge advantage for OSU.

 

Has little to do with coaching.  But other coaches will see this advantage and love the tradition.  So they will get a great coach.

 

But this is all for naught.  He will be staying.  If they have to manufacture a memo that shows Urban reported it, he will be staying.

LabattsBleu

August 4th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^

maybe i've become cynical as a result of all the bad behavior in the sports world, but i think he ends up with a suspension - it would have to be half the season in order for OSU to even float this in public, as 3 games would be a complete joke.

opining a suspension, doesn't mean i agree with it: he should have been fired last week.

i simply don't trust OSU and its fanbase to do the right thing...so they'll try their hardest to figure out some angle to keep Meyer on board...

but they'd better be sure there's no skeletons in the closet: people will dig deeper into OSU's affair if they try to snake oil Meyer out of trouble.

BLUEyouout

August 4th, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^

1. Meyer lied to the media at the BIG media days not once, but 9 times. That's not misspeaking. That's deliberate.

2. Meyer hired a guy who had a previous record of beating his wife from 2009 at UF.

3. Meyer kept Smith employed even though he knew of his past when the 2015 incident was brought to his attention. So did the AD. All of this while at the same time Shelley Meyer was texting with Mrs. Smith to check on her out of great concern for her safety. That alone tells you the Meyer family knew Smith was still abusing his wife. He had this man in a position to influence young men. How does one explain that to their daughter...

4. Smith lied in his ESPN interview by stating he never hit his wife. Seconds after that interview text messages between he and his wife were released to reveal he had indeed physically abused her. Even If he says Meyer didn't know certain details during the process can he be trusted? The man is a habitual liar. 

I think Meyer is gone. What we are seeing now is a public opinion battle and buyout posturing. 

SugarShane

August 4th, 2018 at 10:59 PM ^

He’s gone. 

That tweet was an about face with fans and bargaining for a buyout  

Riddle me this, if he went to gene smith in 2015, then why was he placed on leave?  Why is he being investigated?  You think in the 10 hours after the story broke, Ohio state couldn’t access a record of urban reporting this to his boss?  They’re just following the story on twitter for breaking news?  

Dorothy_ Mantooth

August 4th, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^

Meyer will survive this... after all, its (corrupt) buckeye land ...and it's all they've got

unless of course we start seeing some stories drop about the real reason (cute young intern...pregnancy?) why Urban left UF, as that would be a clear indication that he sleeps w/the fishes... and OSU see's it as inevitable, and so OSU will try and mitigate their financial exposure (of Meyer's contract) and have his contract voided because of some actionable conduct - though the official (face saving) OSU public statement would be 'Meyer resigned and reached a settlement w/the university'

smitty1983

August 4th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^

He’s gone and taking smith with him. His statement reads dead man walking. I never trust people’s judgment tho. So wouldn’t surprise me if it’s the other 

wildbackdunesman

August 4th, 2018 at 11:31 PM ^

I have no clue.

My head says that they have to fire Meyer.  However, it is hard to trust "Buckeye Nation" to do the right thing.  

What if Meyer has dirt on OSU?  If the AD knew and Title IX is in play OSU could lose some federal funding for violating federal law if they didn't have an appropriate investigation.