what did they do again?
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what did they do again?
Chip Kelly paid major dollars (in the form of an AD check) to a street agent for "scouting reports" that were completely bogus.
among other things...
Cash, always cash. Did Chip not watch Pony Express? Paper trail gets you every time.
They were using a loophole. They pay the guy for "scouting players". He takes a particular interest in said players. He gives money to the family of said players. Said players decide on their own to go to Oregon. It didn't matter that there was a paper trail until they realized that they had nothing to prove that they were paying him for "scouting players". If they had even the least believable set of data on recent recruits they would have got off with a slap on the wrist. Instead, they were caught with year old reports and they get F'd in the A.
"motivated" to beat Adidas and UA teams. Money talks.
They desecrated the rose bowl with their chromium headgear.
GO NCAA GO.
That would be completely absurd. The NCAA just hit Central Florida with only a one year bowl ban for school officials literally having cash payments made to recruits, so unless they want to usher in a "new era" of punishments by hitting Oregon extra hard I just cant see it happening.
Then again, the NCAA is completely ridiculous and inconsistent when it comes to punishments, so this could very well end up happening.
I heartily agree with both paragraphs. I feel like the NCAA is insulting its public, saying Nyah Nyah Nyah we're the only game in town so watch how stupid we can be and you all have to take it. Only question is I can't decide who's the worst, FIFA, IOC, or NCAA.
rythmic gymnastics is an international "sport", and baseball is not an "international" sport, and perverses scoring boxing and now apparently wrestling gets my top vote.
IIRC, the decision to de-Olympicize baseball was not the work of the IOC, but MLB and its international bretheren. Basically, all the Olympic-caliber players are fully engrossed in the MLB season during Olympic games (which are held anywhere from July through September). MLB didn't want to take a break for 2-3 weeks, as NHL does during winter olympics. So deprived of its best players, Olympic baseball was sort of a joke. If MLB had agreed to "play ball" (pun very intended), it would still be an Olympic sport.
* not so fast my friend (w/ eraser of pencil held upright by pinched fingers)
That's a big part of it. But softball was included in the decision as well, and was dropped partly because the IOC thought the Americans were too dominant. Naturally, the IOC sees no problem at all with table tennis.
In other words, my position in the debate is: fuck the IOC. In the "inept, corrupt assholes" competition between the NCAA, IOC and FIFA, the NCAA takes a deep and distant third.
When the IOC is going to dump badminton, since the Chinese swept all the gold medals in all those events. Because there's a sport that's big in Eastern Asian countries, and not really that much anywhere else, which is no more or less than the Japanese, and Western Hemisphere love of say, baseball.
Table tennis is played pretty much everywhere. The Chinese and Koreans may dominate at the highest level but can there be any doubt that it's an international game? Pretty much everyone I knew growing up had a table and played at some admittedly very crappy level. It's possible that more people in the world have played a game of table tennis than have played any other sport (well, maybe soccer? and of course not counting the I'll-race-you-that-stick version of track and field).
Softball, on the other hand, is played nowhere else, and the Olympics consisted of teams of Americans playing against teams of Americans that happened to have other citizenship. As an Olympic sport it made as much sense as Australian-rules football or hurling or rounders.
But it doesn't mean it's played competitively. I played checkers as a kid...doesn't mean I aspired to be a pro someday.
Softball, on the other hand, is played in over 124 countries around the world. I don't know if it's more or less, (though I'm guessing probably more than trampoline), it's beside the point. As soon as you start rating sports by whether they're "legitimate" or "popular", you're at a point where about have the Olympic events should be cut. Because they're just excuses for more medals for more countries in made up competitions. Cut it back to the "higher, faster, stronger." But if you really want to be inclusive, you shouldn't only exclude the ones where the countries you don't like excel.
Table tennis is played pretty much everywhere. The Chinese and Koreans may dominate at the highest level but can there be any doubt that it's an international game? Pretty much everyone I knew growing up had a table and played at some admittedly very crappy level.
Might as well have billiards and pool by that logic. There are plenty of countries, though, that play softball and baseball - it's really no less widespread than basketball. Neither is it true that the players are Americans with other citizenship. Many of them came to the US to attend college, sure, but they're still legitimately of other nationalities, not along the lines of say Italy that uses Americans of Italian lineage to fill its baseball, hockey, and basketball teams. The Japanese softball team was legitimately Japanese, the Australians were legitimately Australian, and so on. Softball and baseball are just as much international games as basketball and hockey.
After Japan and Australia there is no "and so on," and while the Australian team might have been "legitimately Australian" students in the US they didn't come here already playing softball.
There is no comparison between the spread of basketball and softball. None. I have seen basketball played on the street nearly everywhere I've ever been except for the UK and as an American I've almost invariably been asked if I play and invited to a game. Michael Jordan was at one time the second most famous person in the world, second only to the Pope.
I don't think I've ever met a single person outside North America who has ever heard of softball, unless they manage to remember it as that sport no one plays that got into the Olympics somehow. (I'll admit never having been to Japan or Korea though.)
It is, of course, played "throughout the world" on US military bases. That hasn't created a lot of local interest (honestly, try to find a softball diamond in Europe or Africa not on or next to a US army base) and doesn't make it the kind of international sport that belongs in an Olympics.
You weren't going there anymore?
Yeah they may get punished, but a 2 year bowl ban is ubsurd and for some reason a forum poster trying to grab attention seems more likely than having an assurate source with this magnitude of information.
Ubsurd I surd.
Where/when did this start? It took me a second this morning but when i saw the thread and pronounced it, i started cracking up. Well played whoever started it.
Google ehrmahgerd and you shall have your answer
are assurate in your assessment.
That's what Urban said.
assurate and ubsurd.
Did not read enough comments.
But what if his sources are ubsurdly assurate?
Sports talk radio out here in Portland says they have heard nothing and should be taken as just twitter rumers.
Just passing the info.
Those local folks must consider themselves to be pretty plugged in if "WE haven't heard anything" equates to "these are just twitter rumors"
95.5 or 1080? I wouldn't believe it if it were 95.5.
95.5 is now playing music. The sports talk that was there moved to 750. My guess is it would be 1080 and they have been saying since this story broke that nothing big will come from this.
I guess it's been several years since I've been around PDX radio. I sometimes listen to Primetime online and I remember last year Suke actually talked about sanctions being highly probable. They must have new info and changed their story.
for those who may not know:
Oregon + Chip Kelly : Washington :: Ohio + Tressel : Michigan
this'll be fun to watch.
Ohio ended up with Urban Meyer.
So is Oregon getting Saban?
Seriously though, Urban < Tressel. Mark my words.
JT, for all my hate of Ohio and the cheating was a hell of a game day coach. Problematically, he was a hell of a cheater also.
by cheating? Is it unreasonable to think that having an unfair advantage made him look better on game-day than he actually was? Was the moat around ohio patrolled by dragons, or were the denizens kept inside with "advantages"? He stained his legacy.
His playcalling was pretty epic.
Seriously though.. if molding young minds is the task.
Urban < Tressel < Drunk 2nd Grade Teacher
2nd grade teacher. CSB!
At this point it's like...just cross your fingers that the NCAA doesn't catch you on a bad day for them. UNC got them on a good day. PSU did not.
Maybe the appearance of insanity is their deterrence strategy. Do something wrong, no matter how major or minor, and you have no idea whether you'll lose a scholarship or get a 45 year bowl ban. They're just that crazy.
Perhaps the institutional issues at Happy Valley were a bit more significant.
As long as they didn't shower with anybody, the NCAA will do nothing. This is because there will be no trial for which the NCAA can actually obtain evidence. Is it me or do they do some of the worst detective work in the free world?
They are not an investigative unit, they are enforcement.
UNC. What they did is one of the worst forms of cheating and systematic abuse out there but it really feels like they just got a slap on the wrist.
... they're not done yet. More bad stuff at UNC has supposedly been uncovered. From the bits and pieces I heard on the radio this morning, if the NCAA finds the latest accusations to be true (rampant grade fixing, etc...) the potential punishment could be crippling.
EDIT: This is not limited to football, either. Basketball and other sports are involved.
From the August 9th Unverified Voracity: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8243779/north-carolina-tar-...
The University of North Carolina has essentially admitted that dozens of courses taught by African-American studies professor Julius Nyang'oro were, to use non-academic parlance, baloney......
....And the NCAA apparently has no jurisdiction in this matter. Which is why, dear folks in Indianapolis, people just don't get you sometimes. It would seem to the layman that the intersection of athletics and academic dishonesty is exactly the right spot for the NCAA to step in. Except, as of right now, there is no indication that the NCAA will revisit or re-examine the penalties it has already inflicted on UNC and its football team for violations related to improper benefits and academic misconduct involving a tutor. The reason: The athletes did the baloney work in the baloney courses, and so long as the baloney courses weren't balonified solely for the benefit of athletes -- in other words, they were equal-opportunity baloney classes made available to everyone at North Carolina -- it's not an NCAA problem......
It's a good piece, and I would recommend reading the whole thing, but I snipped out the relevant stuff
It appears the News and Observer and a rabid pack of NC State fans keep digging, and UNC is trying to gloss over it just as quickly. There is now a state bureau of investigation open case into fraudulent activity, and then there was the posting of Julius Peppers transcript which pretty much showed the only classes he got Bs in -- the rest of his grades were Ds, Fs and incompletes -- were in the Department of African and Afro-American studies.
If you imagine Michigan State 15 miles from Ann Arbor, and Ohio State 10 miles from Ann Arbor - that is how it is down here. So News and Observer covers all three schools, and Dan Kane is the reporter riding this horse (ala Jim Carty).
Anyway, the NCAA has apparently listed out own 2007 case as a precedent and says they won't get involved, so we'll see.
Personally, I find it sadly funny that an organization supposedly in place to protect the student aspect of being a college athlete worries about creme cheese for bagels and whether a QC staffer can attend a film session, and overlooks real academic issues.
This doesn't surprise me. Kelly's built a powerhouse but there's been rumors like this swirling around since last year.
This offseason has had enough scandal for several decades worth. We just need football to start already.
Yea well my buddy coaches with Miami Lb Gionni Pauls dad in orlando area and he said more is coming down the pipe for them that hasn't been released yet... Cool Story Bro!!
let me just speak for the rest of college football for a second:
About damn time.
Remember when tOSU romors said they would get creamed by the NCAA?
Just a 1 year bowl ban...2 years probation.
but I DO remember "we heard some stuff from the NCAA and they TOTALLY aren't gonna punish us any more. There's no way they issue a bowl ban. It was just a tattoo or two. Nothing to see here."
I remember every day being better than the day before once the Ohio investigation got rolling. Remember the denials, standing by Tressel, Gee's idiocy, Tressel's resignation and, God bless them, the protest march.
I'm betting you're not very old...
Has he heard of this idea of money?
Can be exchanged for goods and services.
This will make you feel better:
Prepare yourself for more e-Molotov cocktails.
For non-sanctioned schools to appeal the penalty given to a school, in terms of it being too lenient. I'm not sure that any school would actually follow through with that ability, because people in glass houses don't throw stones, but still, it'd be nice for punishments to sometimes get worse on appeal.
Have you noticed how non-committal and genteel the comments have been from most schools about the OSU and even the Penn State scandal?
seriously. Why torch a potential future employer?
Going out on a limb here, I'm guessing they get a post-season ban for one year provided it isn't on New Year's day, and their scholarships are reduced to whatever number of players they currently have on scholarship... for one season.
They will also only be able to wear two variations of jersey per season for three years.
I think they'd rather take the bowl ban and scholarship reduction over this fate.
Rich Cirminiello.....Rich Criminiello.....Rich Criminal? There's just something about him i don't trust.
There are many great avatars on MGoBlog, but everytime I see Dawson crying my day is made better.
As Johnny Cash said "What's done in the dark, will be brought to the light"
Wasn't it 2Pac?
It's not a huge deal but Johnny Cash didn't coin those lyrics. That song's been around for a long time. In fact, Elvis recorded his own version 5 decades before Cash did.
It's not from a song, but from the Bible (Luke 12:2-3). The imagery may not have been new then but I'm willing to bet that's the oldest reference we've got.
I heard a rumor from a relieable source (The Weekly World News) that Oregon became the 5th member of the Pentaverate after Colonel Sanders died.
well, UNC is actually why, but Oregon had a significant competitive advantage..
I didnt think the NCAA delivered Oregon with a NOA. Don't they have to provide a NOA first before imposing a punishment???
From @John_Infante aka Bylaw Blog:
Oregon has not received a Notice of Allegations yet, so any penalty talk is premature.
If Oregon will be hit with any penalties in 2012, they will be self-imposed. But the rumor is a lot for self-imposed penalties.
My guess: Oregon has received the Notice of Allegations, it is bad, and people are guessing penalties from that.
Probably really is just Twitter rumors, or at least the part including the penalties.
So why wasn't UCF crushed again?
When the NCAA spun their Wheel of Justice, "light punishment" came up
Stop asking so many questions and plug in to the circus.
I like the NCAA has found some balls and is punishing teams but I wish it wasn't so wildly inconsistent. Academic fraud (UNC) or paying recruits (UCF): little to no punishment whereas Penn State got obliterated (rightly so) and Oregon might get hammered for paying a runner. Just seems weird. One thing is DEATH TO YOU and the next is a slap on the wrist
Quite a quandry for the NCAA here: do they want to piss off Phil Knight and risk having him pull a bunch of sponsorship money out of the NCAA? Or do they want to continue to look weak and impotent when it comes to punishing cheaters?
One less big competitor would drive the prices down, and the NCAA would lose money. At the very least, it might make Knight decide to drop some programs that he feels don't provide enough ROI for him. OTOH, the "newer, tougher NCAA" has to eventually punish someone who is actually gaining a competitive advantage on the field.
My vote is that they revisit Columbus and give Ohio what they really deserved: ten years of hell to compensate for their ten years of cheating under Jim Tressel.
Means less to Knight than Oregon, you're crazy. Knight does it to make money, not as a charitable ontribution. Otherwise the companies wouldn't be in a bidding war over team contracts. He can pull out. It'd make Adidas really happy. He knows that and it'll never happen.
He got a taste of power from the PSU presser, and he is itching to slap again...
Once again, an apparently dirty program is on the chopping block, so much the better.
Unfortunately, once again that program is not from the SEC, a conference so dirty Elliott Ness thinks things are out of hand.
I will believe things are getting better when Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, and perhaps LSU actually get their laundry aired out. The more things continue like this, the more I'm convinced that the SEC's run of dominance is not a function of fan enthusiasm, improved facilities, or excess talent in the South; it is a function of widespread, unrestrained cheating.
It's telling that teams that try to keep up with the SEC get nailed right and left.
Maybe that SEC dominance has some other factors. Interesting article, or excerpt really, even if the writer takes some leaps on what his numbers mean in terms of others conferences.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...the paper trail dont always getcha. How many paper shredders were full of Pryor's vehicle loans? or whatever they wanted to call it. Kid didn't even have a liscense lol. At least one car dealership in ohio helped Tressel avoid worse than he got.
I want to hate Oregon for all this stuff but they're so fun to watch. Some of Kelly's calls as OC against Michigan were incredible. Running the Statue of Liberty then coming back with a fake SoL? Are you kidding me?
Who will the SEC order to pay penalties next? We need to run a tight ship.
These rumors just aren't true, already been debunked by the Oregon Athletic Department.
A telltale sign of a made up rumor: doesn't make sense that the two Oregon assistant coaches were "supposedly" hit with a show-cause while Chip Kelly, who had the same if not a closer relationship with the sleazebag agent in question, gets nothing.
That being said it wouldn't surprise anyone if Oregon got hit with USC type sanctions, hammer just won't be dropping this week (most likely).
Of course, if Oregon was in the SEC or simply had professors passing students along without holding classes, the NCAA would be powerless. Poor Oregon and their by-the-book violations!