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I would note that his…

I would note that his conference record needs to be taken in context with the overall improvement of the Mountain West the past couple of years.  They’re a 6-bid conference, out of 11 teams.  That’s tied for the B1G for third most teams — they’re arguably a power conference when it comes to basketball.

I’m not sure we can say he…

I’m not sure we can say he took Medved’s team and won more games — Medved was at Drake for only a season, he probably never got to coach “his team”.

I agree with you overall…

I agree with you overall that Beilein is absolutely not the answer, but what players have committed to play for Howard?  It doesn’t look like anyone on this team has.

Pokémon cards are definitely…

Pokémon cards are definitely popular where we are.  I’ve been repurposing the hard cases from my worthless baseball card collection for my daughter’s more valuable finds.


 

Yeah, I don’t think injuries…

Yeah, I don’t think injuries causing a player to not meet expectations should “surprise” anyone.  Football is a violent sport, and injuries cause rapid declines sometimes — we know it’s going to happen, we just don’t know to whom.  Jake Long was a cornerstone tackle until he got hurt and wasn’t.  Not a bust, just a what-might-have-been.

The surprise busts are the ones whose talent just wasn’t good enough to cut it.  David Terrell, oft-mentioned here, is the number 1 for me.

I forgot Jalen Mayfield even…

I forgot Jalen Mayfield even existed.

Certainly at this time of…

Certainly at this time of year it reeks of tampering.  Less so at the end of a season when you can actually enroll in classes prior to the next semester.

The simple answer is that…

The simple answer is that BJM is in the middle of a bidding war for his services, and presumably likes both options (staying at TN and returning to Michigan), so will make a decision once he has everyone’s best and final offers.  My guess is it will be decided by the end of day tomorrow.

I personally wouldn’t want…

I personally wouldn’t want someone who took a position elsewhere the week before the Super Bowl.

No, you’re Clarence…

No, you’re Clarence Boddicker.

Definitely true that the…

Definitely true that the only way they can get raises is with another offer, so I’m with you on #3.

Maybe you’re part of the…

Maybe you’re part of the East Coast.  Cloudy in Boston.

My employer is definitely a…

My employer is definitely a place that won’t give a raise unless you’ve got an offer somewhere else (or you get an internal promotion).  Years ago they pulled that with me.  I thought for sure I’d at least get a pay increase from them after I’d had some second-round interviews, but they waited until I had the another offer in hand.  They immediately matched my offer (which was a 50% pay increase), but after having gone through the interview process I decided I wanted to go elsewhere.  8 months later they called me back up and told me they really, really missed me, and two months after that I was back there with my salary doubled from the prior year.  Worked out for me in the long run, but some institutions don’t like negotiating against themselves, and I could definitely see Michigan being one of those institutions from all that we’ve heard over the years.

“Wither Herbert”?  I don’t…

“Wither Ben Herbert?”  I don’t think Herbert, nor anyone he trains, is capable of withering.

“Wither Herbert”?  I don’t…

I don’t think so.  I think Michigan wasn’t going to give Harbaugh what he asked for until he had a viable counter-offer, and screwed themselves when he liked the other job more.  I’ve definitely worked for large organizations that have done that (for me and others).

Going through a legal team…

Going through a legal team is not the same thing as not having the authority and expectation to make the decision.  Either he does, in which case my point remains, or he doesn’t, in which case this should be an easy thing to give to Harbaugh.  If this is an actual demand, Harbaugh must believe that the AD has the power on this stuff.

It’s still a reasonable…

It’s still a reasonable clause.  Harbaugh is the most important employee in the AD.  Michigan shouldn’t want Harbaugh’s fate to rest in the hands of one employee who is hierarchically above him but institutionally below him.  If Warde or any future AD thinks Harbaugh should go, they can make that case to said panel, without going rogue or having a turf war.

He’s only 21 — maybe he can…

He’s only 21 — maybe he can shoot for a 25-year career.

I’m rooting for an…

I’m rooting for an endorsement with Domino Sugar.

I think it was one big…

I think it was one big injury that cost him most of 2018-2020, and then another in 2021.

It looks like he played in 3 games total from 2018-2021, and then 13 games each in 2022-2023, so I guess he’s got evidence to say his injury woes are behind him.

Vegas actually favors…

Vegas actually favors Harbaugh leaving with those odds, rather significantly so.  It’s just that there are so many NFL choices Michigan is the single-most likely destination, but the odds are nearly 2:1 that he’s leaves based on what the OP shared.

He has 30 days from Friday…

He has 30 days from Friday or Saturday to transfer, and he certainly won’t transfer here with the head coach not a given to stay.  But we can talk to him for the next month without tampering while he takes his time to decide.  He presumably can pay for his classes while at UW if he wants to hedge his bets.

Yep.  It will be less time…

Yep.  It will be less time to learn a playbook and develop a rapport with the rest of the offense, but I’d be surprised if we don’t get the one of the top QBs in the spring transfer window.  Especially considering there are certain to be some QBs who need to graduate first so they can transfer as a grad student.

Username checks out.

Username checks out.

Neither Warde nor Harbaugh…

Neither Warde nor Harbaugh should have stopped a Stallions hire.  He had a fine resume and had presumably proven himself while a dedicated intern/volunteer whatever his title was before he was hired.  There is no pre-hiring process that is going to catch everyone, and that is particularly true when someone is breaking a rule in a way that’s never been broken before.  To hold it against either is basically accepting the B1G’s argument.

Shemmy is a different story, and is a combination of Harbaugh’s blind spot towards anything Schembechler and the AD’s continued failure to operate like the large organization it actually is.  Nepotism is normalized, not just in the football program but throughout college athletics in general, so such a hiring wouldn’t be looked at twice.  Warde, as a creature of college athletics, wasn’t going to change that any more than Harbaugh, nor would any subsequent AD or head coach.  Both coach and AD should have egg on their face, but as neither believe they do, it would be unfair to factor it into any sort of negotiation.

There’s absolutely that…

There’s absolutely that potential, I agree.  But if Michigan wants Harbaugh as its coach, they should take on that risk, as opposed to shifting it to Harbaugh.  His performance should have earned him that privilege.  I’m not saying it’s a small give, and it isn’t one you give to just anyone.  But Harbaugh has earned it, unless Michigan believes Harbaugh actually was coordinating paying Stallions under the table, or flagrantly disregarding any sort of recruiting rules.  If you believe in Harbaugh, you let him know that contractually you have his back 100%, as opposed to using trumped up allegations as a back-door way to get rid of him by deciding not to fight them.

Michigan absolutely can give…

Michigan absolutely can give it to him.  Whether they should depends on whether Michigan leadership truly believes that the investigations are overzealous and or unwarranted, and that Harbaugh/Michigan have been treated unfairly, or if they actually think they’re legitimate.  If it’s the former, Michigan should agree to that term.  If it’s the latter, they shouldn’t.

I think most posters here, myself included, think it’s the former, and would find Harbaugh’s demand a reasonable one given the context of what has happened in the last year, and one that Michigan should consent to.

The Michigan Differnce!

The Michigan Differnce!

I hope Connor is able to…

I hope Connor is able to enjoy the win too.

Getting suspended 6 games…

Getting suspended 6 games for two nonsense investigations that are both still ongoing and could lead to further suspension qualifies as a very defensible “things change” to me, unfortunately.

His composite on 247 is a 4…

His composite on 247 is a 4-star, top 150 player, but much lower to 247 itself, at least as I read the site.  As others said, he just one Gatorade Player of the Year for Florida, as a junior, so it’s likely 247 is a bit behind on him.  I think top-100 is a legit possibility.  He’s definitely a riser.

I agree they shouldnt have…

I agree they shouldnt have had anyone back there.  Something went wrong on the sidelines — after a timeout we were rushing our 11th player out there at the snap.

Agreed, but he’s angling for…

Agreed, but he’s angling for the OSU job should it come open with his obsessions about Stallions.  I hope he gets it.

Seems like he’s well-trained…

Seems like he’s well-trained at not giving bulletin board material.

I don’t think you understand…

I don’t think you understand the going rate for economists.  I’ve been part of some cases where the Econ consulting firms were pulling in $1MM a month, nevermind the high-priced law firms.  Maybe Econ firms are cheaper in Florida than DC, but if this litigation goes any length they can burn through money in a hurry.

I’m fairly sure he hasn’t. …

I’m fairly sure he hasn’t.  I looked it into last month when Partridge was fired.

He was let go in February if…

He was let go in February if I’m not mistaken. 

I think they could preserve…

I think they could preserve some of the intrigue of big games by putting something related to them in the tiebreaker.  For example, once the #1 seed is determined, the first tiebreaker between the potential tied #2 seeds eliminates any team that lost to the #1 seed, so there are no rematches.  If Michigan is #1 at 9-0 and OSU is #2 with three other teams at 8-1, then OSU is out.  The conference won’t do that of course (except under an ad hoc situation where Michigan would otherwise be the #2 seed), but they could, under a desire to limit rematches and create more opportunities for players to compete against other schools.

I think the bigger problem with no divisions is what happens if you get three undefeated teams in the conference.  It will be technically possible every year.

 

I look forward to your…

I look forward to your research.

You’re not looking at it the…

You’re not looking at it the right way.  You get up to four years of playing more than four games, but 2020 doesn’t count against those four years.  So if he played more than four games in each of ‘21, ‘22, and ‘23, then he has one more year left.  He could redshirt in 2024 because of 2020, and then play in 2025, but if he plays enough next year that’s it on his eligibility.

2020 doesn’t count, but it…

2020 doesn’t count, but it doesn’t already because he redshirted.  It doesn’t not count twice, in other words.  Unless he also redshirted while at MSU, he should have only one year left.

I think it’s partly we take…

I think it’s partly we take Ohio more seriously, but also it’s how our roster is constructed favoring a game vs. Ohio more than a bowl game.  Our most important game is outdoors, in the North, in November.  Weather is more likely to matter, so you design a team that is less likely to be disadvantaged in those conditions.  SEC teams have their biggest games in warmer weather, and also often in domes, the same type of environments as we find in bowl games.  They already have the optimal personnel and schemes for the games because they’ve been using them all year.

I do think this year will be different for us, because CFP was a realistic goal unlike in many years, and accordingly there has been more advanced preparation.  This team feels unique compared to its predecessors.

Why not both?

Why not both?

We have a decent history…

We have a decent history recently of getting players we were #2 or 3 for out of high school to come in as transfers.  Ty Isaac, Myles Hinton, and Andrew Gentry jump out at me, but I have to believe there have been others I’ve forgotten.

I’d call this a Portal Day…

I’d call this a Portal Day story myself.

You found some that still…

You found some that still have rooms?

I don’t know about Bama, but…

I don’t know about Bama, but 11 on day 1 isn’t good.  These kids couldn’t wait for bowl practices or the semester to end — the second they could, they signaled they wanted out.  If Bama had 20 I can’t imagine it was all day 1.  The list will likely grow for them.

He entered the portal this…

He entered the portal this afternoon.

Edit: This was about Brock Vandagriff

I’d go with Howard, for…

I’d go with Howard, for Desmond and Juwan.

It’s possible the biggest…

It’s possible the biggest play for the Ohio State game came the prior week vs. Maryland.  I don’t want to think about what the UFR would have looked like if they had gone with targeting on Graham last week.