Yeah, well, until we add GT and UNC, and then we'll get an overhaul for sure (maybe?).
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Yeah, well, until we add GT and UNC, and then we'll get an overhaul for sure (maybe?).
What he said.
Cool. Now all the people that thought "maybe this is a way to get rid of Legends and Leaders" will hate this expansion too.
Illinois is probably leaping with joy at the thought of moving into a division with their besties in Ann Arbor, though.
Keeps the Brown Jug, Keeps the MSU game. I assume we won't go on a rotating basis with Ohio and I can bribe the wife with trips to NYC for the Rutgers game every couple of years. F it. I'm good.
The Rutgers game in NYC will be more like once a decade.
You mean every TWELVE years, right?
I can bribe the wife with trips to NYC for the Rutgers game once every 12 years.
And by New York, you mean New Jersey.
Wish it was the Cavs coming aboard instead of Rutgers.
Dammit. I thought they might use this to fix their stupidity.
That certainly gives us the easier division, especially once PSU comes back. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Assume PSU takes years to recover (which is a good assumption). That division has 2 good football teams, 4 terrible ones, and Penn State.
If Ohio State doesn't win that division every year, they'll be underachieving badly. That could be the worst division in the country
Its no where near as bad as the ACC coastal.
Admittedly, I'm looking at that once PSU is a known commodity again, which I know will take a bit. But Indiana is up and coming and Rutgers would probably be the second best team in our division (certainly third).
Fun fact: Rutgers' last recruiting class would have ranked third in the Big Ten behind only M and OSU. So don't expect them to be all that terrible.
you are massively overrating the current quality of the Rutgers football program.
Rutgers plays in the Big East with powerhouses like Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, et al. When they make the move to the B1G, they will likely find the going slightly more difficult (see West Virginia this year in the Big 12).
It's funny, because I thought we had the more challenging one... maybe I was thinking immediate next few years. I guess that tells me it's balanced enough.
At least none of these fake Big Ten schools gets put into our division, I guess.
The big question is:
How does this change the hard fought and contentious rivalry between MSU and Indiana? We cannot afford to lose that.
Heard it switches to MSU/Maryland.
Illinois picks up a “border-war” with Indiana as a crossover and Northwestern gets Rutgers. (ChiTown is none too happy.)
So... 8 conference games - 6 division games - 1 protected game (ohio state) = 1 remaining game. We'll play
Once every six years each?
Unless they move to 9 conference games (which may happen) or if they get into the B1G championship game.
Summary is that it doesn't really change too much for us....
The earliest that would happen is 2017 like it was before. They might even have to wait until a couple years after that depending on how schedules have filled out in the last few months. That leaves at least 3 seasons where you have only 8 conference games with one cross-division rotational game.
9 conference games was thought to be dead with the PAC-12 agreement... that was before this of course. That would make for only 2 "free" spots on the schedule. hm.
The only good that can come out of this now is that the Big Ten might go to a 9-game schedule (6 games in-division, 1 protected game, 2 more cross-division games), so Michigan will get to play each of those schools twice every 6 years.
I guess I'm really looking forward to that one time between 2014 and 2019 that we host Wisconsin. Plus the one time between 2020 and 2025.
makes me want to lay a big ol' turd in my undies. Wisconsin now becomes just a rumor to us - I guess it kinda is already.
That's exactly how the SEC is doing it right now.
Not playing penn st and wisconsin conistently is a little annoying but its not the end of the world, maybe this breaks up the nebraska being home the same year as ohio st thing and at the end of the day are schedule doesn't really change all that much.
So we get Illinois as a baby seal every year and OSU's only hurdles to a B1G championship game are Wisconsin and Penn State (after their ban ends)?
I have to believe M would prefer to be on the other division, which is more East Coast-ish, because M's fan-base skews eastward.
Chicago is actually the second largest big city alumni base in country behind Detroit according to this I found.
Sure, Chicago is #2, but Chicagoans will be pretty close no matter who we play and NYC and DC are numbers 3 and 4 on that list so I'm not sure your link disproves anything.
The announcement of these schools joining already has me upset and then this realignment, if true, is horrible. If this gets brought up around the table on Thursday after a few drinks the dicussion will become R-rated very quickly. This is horrible and will ultimately ruin my holiday.
A+ avatar. Absolutely phenominal.
So Ohio gets to feast on two extra cupcakes a year? And we get one?
This is not fair.
OSU gets 2 (MD and Rutgers) minus 1 (Illinois)... so it should even out...
Dunno, I'm not a math major.
Wrong - they had (1) cupcake - Illinois
Now they have (2) - Rutgers and Maryland
We had (0) now we have (1).
So it is NOT even.
This reminds me of that puzzle where three guys pay the waiter too much, and his boss tells him to give some money back, but he keeps some for himself, and then at the end there's a missing dollar for some reason.
Essentially I'm saying your attempts at math are nonsense.
Now I am going to stress-eat one of the last remaining Hostess Cupcakes on Earth with my green-tea. juxtapose
Do you think Rutgers is more of a cupcake than Minnesota? Or Iowa lately? Hell, MSU is still fighting for bowl eligibility so it's not like our division is stacked.
Sure, MSU is fighting for eligibility, but the guys in the striped shirts have secured their spot. Pretty sure they would end up in our division, at least according to Leveon Bell.
thats one cool looking bulldozer cupcake. I'd rather have one cool bulldozer than two turd looking things. After all, they say you eat with your eyes first (which I believe is incorrect, but this is not the place for epicurean discussions)
Having the easier division might help you get to the championship game, but if your goal is to make the new 4 team playoffs, it's going to hurt.
A one loss B1G champ OSU team could easily get shut out of the playoffs if, for example, Virginia Tech (future out of conference opponent) ended up being bad and OSU lost to one of Michigan or Wisconsin.
Well I like our cupcake a lot more. I mean look at those chocolate ones. They look like two swirly turds. Or maybe that's the point.
Assuming PSU comes back to relevance the divisions should be pretty even.
since we're using whole numbers for games, someone HAS to get screwed. OSU fans would be just as pissed if we got the two cupcakes.
For the record though, I have to ask: are you one of those guys who LIKES playing cupcakes? For instance, would you be happy with us exchanging MSU for EMU? That would make it easier for us to get to that B1G championship game. Or, do you not wanna play cupcake games unless you don't in which case you'll start complaining about not having cupcakes?
I swear, Brian, put this blog on TWIS. People complain about "oh, too many cupcakes" and then, "oh, not enough cupcakes" . "I want RR for his new offense" then "oh, STICK TO TRADITION", "those Fab 5 jerseys were so innovative" to "NEW JERSEYS SUCK", etc.
If you always want to see the glass half full, fine. Just realize that you're needlesly making your life harder. You can't do anything about it, and complaining about every change isn't going to make it better.
You do realize that there are many posters on here with varied opinions, right? Some posters are consistently opposed to "cupcake" games and other posters are consistently fine with "cupcake" games. Same goes with RR vs. old school and jersey issues. Its not like one poster is constantly changing his/her opinion.
When did Purde and Indiana get upgraded from "non-cupcake" status? OSU is going to have 4 auto-wins every season: Purdue, Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers. Add in the likely scenario of PSU being down for a while and OSU only has one true competitor in their divsion for the forseeable future: Wisconsin.
This blows hard.
Get 2 extra, lose one... so everyone gets a net of one cupcake.
I don't think OSU fans are thrilled with a schedule of Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State.
If the other cross division game is a crappy one, OSU's schedule is basically Michigan, Wisconsin and whatever good out of conference team they're playing (unless that team ends up to be shitty, like Cal this year).
No offense, but this thinking has always sort of bugged me. Teams get better and teams get worse. There will be years when our division is stronger, and there will be years when theirs is stronger. Believe it or not, even Indiana has gone to the Rose Bowl. Yes, historically teams are better than others, but looking at these two divisions, it's about as fair as it reasonably can be without knowing what the future holds. It hasn't been THAT long since Purdue was decent, and they'll get there again, etc. And we have no idea how good Maryland and Rutgers will be in the B16. I know it's the internet, but I think we should let it play out over a decade or so before we make judgements of fairness.
to not try and "guess" who is good or not, and just split it up on logical regional distribution, and save on travel and keep close teams close and playing each other.
What a load of horseshit
O COOL I LIVE ON THE EAST COAST AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE MICHIGAN PLAY WITHOUT HAVING TO HOP ON A PLANE ANYWAY.
wow, that's an easy draw for ohio state
i anticipate wisky will slowly decline, penn state will be a shell of its former self for at least 4 more years, so osu will dominate no doubt
Illinois gets their rivalry game with Michigan annually.
Ohio State was probably as big a game for Illinois fans as Michigan was so this is probably a wash for them.
Rumors have it that the new crossover matchups are:
Made me laugh out loud.
Must see television there. Going to force cable companies out east to put BTN on the basic cable tier
Call it the Couch Burning Classic
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Well, it seems like the two factions supporting this move were people hoping the divisions would get an overhaul and east-coasters who wanted to get Michigan games in their neighborhood. This ought to piss off both of them.
The things is, getting Michigan in the neighborhood was never a reason to support the move for me, it was just the consolation prize.
Now Michigan would come out to the East Coast, what...every 6 years??
Yup. To Rutgers once every 12, and to Maryland once every 12.
Other than OSU, Michigan will play the leaders division teams once every 6 years each. That totally makes them in the same conference.
You know, in a few years when Michigan and Ohio State play back-to-back games five years in a row and some kid asks, "Wait, why are the leaders and best not in the Leaders division?" I hope the B1G administration looks at one another and says, "Well, this was demonstrably not well thought out."
After a couple years of back to back OSU-UM games, the game will be moved to October. That was the plan when the divisions were announced but the outcry was so great they decided to leave the game on the last weekend.
Who else is pumped for a home schedule of Appalachian State, Miami (NTM), Utah, Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan State, and Rutgers in 2014!!!!
Because I'd watch a Michigan footbal team play Parcheesi.
Because this is most definitely watering down the product.
So when are these yahoos going to start conference play? I fear that if they start playing before the 9-game conference schedule starts, we're going to be deprived of playing OSU for a year or two.
Maryland and Rutgers are going to try and join by 2014.
Well I for one can't wait to play a competitive and compelling game against a Maryland squad that doesn't look in any sense like Dr. Rockso the Rock and Roll Clown (he does cocaine) instead of playing Ohio.
Maybe our fan base can freak out and get B1G to change its mind regarding the two divisions and the names?
There is no way that the conference would have allowed Michigan and Ohio State, the two marquee teams in the conference, to be in the same division. None. I am absolutely certain that it wasn't even under consideration, and it never will be considered.
The only 2 schools that want it would be Michigan and Ohio State. The other 12 schools would not want to be in the same division (for competitive reasons) and they would not want to be in the opposite division (for attendance reasons).
They will never change the fucking division names. Never. It is writ in stone now.
I can't believe the Big Ten powers that be would not use this opportunity to rid themselves of the stupid Leaders & Legends crap. Maybe I'm losing my memory, but weren't the division names and placement WIDELY hated - like, across the conference - and not just by the Michigan and OSU fanbases?
in our division. Everything else about this is beyond terrible. Death to Delaney
chill out there, ahmadinejad!
but this doesn't look anything like balance... i could argue that the top 3 teams in each division are basically a wash but of the next 4 in each group, only Iowa and NW have had any meaningful contribution recently.
I hope Jim Delany realizes that moving shit around does not make it go away...
The only thing I was remotely happy about regarding this deal - as a Jersey resident - was the potential for Michigan to play a game every other year 20 minutes from my apartment. Now? Dead to me.
I always hated Mary, why does she get a land named after her? AND WHAT IS SHE DOING IN THE B1G?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!
Bah dammit. I was supporting this hoping we'd get a OSU-M-MSU-PSU-MD division. Womp womp WHY NOT EAST WEST GODDAMMIT?!?
ALSO MARYLAND YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS CONFERENCE 10 MINUTES YOU ARE BAD AT KEEPING SECRETS!!!!!1
Why dont they just swap Indiana for Wisconsin that way OSU has to beat absolutely nobody to win their conference. PSU is going to be dogshit awful for the next decade or so so only vaunted Wisconsin (and I think they're on a downswing) stands between Ohio and total domination.
And they say cheaters never prosper.......
To take a bad idea and make it worse.
Other than OSU having an easy path to the title game, who wins here? Besides Maryland and Rutgers--they win huge by getting out of their respective conferences. Everyone else loses big. This is worse than Leaders and Legends.
Seriously, even OSU can't be too happy about this. They have to play in New Jersey every other year!
Maybe the Big 12 is taking applications...
Any chance they are a Big Ten member starting next year?
This a complete disaster. I know everyone says that Rutgers and Maryland will bring in their respective markets. This seems highly dubious to me. I was not aware that people in NY and DC care at all about Rutgers and Maryland football. At least their are two more cupcakes to beat up on every 7 years. Wonderful.
This guarantees OSU to be in the B1G Championship 9 out of 10 years. WTF? Brandon!!!
Phuck is this equal?!? Delaney fights for Ohio to play in the Sugar Bowl amid scandal and now this?!
looking better, and better....
I say we just grandfather OSU into the B1G title game every year. They have a one game season and then they walk into the BCS. Why not? This conference is just for funsies now anyway. Fuck it.
Ugh. The only benefit of this was that Michigan's huge alumni base in the tri-state area would be able to attend games every couple of years without getting on an airplane, and they screw that up by putting Rutgers in a different division. Idiots.
At least there's basketball, I guess.
I'm gonna take a B1G pewp on Delaney's desk
Who's so difficult in the Legends? MSU is going nowhere fast, Iowa stinks, NW is a one hit wonder. Ya Nebraska is gonna have some staying power.. But I'd be much more concerned with a surging Rutgers program and Wisconsin.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Rutgers is a decent team, and they have had a few good classes. And Bret Bielema is good at three things, looking confused, running up the score, and getting his players to compete every single game.
They're more than a one hit wonder. Since PSU joined the conference, they've been much better than Indiana, Illinois and Purdue. In fact, since PSU joined the Big Ten Northwestern has as many big ten titles as Penn St.
"Surging Rutgers"? Seriously?
Have you seen the teams they play each week in the Big East? Have you seen what happened to WVU this season after moving from the Big East to a real conference? Rutgers is going to get pimp slapped when they join the B1G.
shit has a way of happening.
I cannot abide by these divisions
Yet another reason to hate this expansion move. It's great we'll get to go to Camp Randall and Happy Valley once a decade or so.
Why not have a vote in the top 16 (or use the BCS ranking) to have the 2 best B1G teams play each other? We can have equal scheduling, with 1 or 2 protected rivalries? This also encourages scheduling tougher OOC teams.
Scheduling would just be a rotation of teams every year.
The Philly/DC/NYC area has a ton of Fball and recruiting potential, but this alignment hoses us from frequent appearances in those markets.
Thanks, Mr Delany.
Yep. Another reason we got screwed again.
I dunno what all the tears are about -- I see the Legends division looking like the pre-PSU days of the Big Ten, with not that dissimilar scheduling. Six original Big Ten teams (plus Nebraska as a trade for, which, Wisconsin?) plus the crossover with OSU is effectively an 8 team league from a Michigan perspective (7 of 8 in the original Big Ten). Sure we don't see the other three (Wisconsin, Indiana and Purdue) as often, but didn't those always rotate in and out?
So now it's almost a geographical alignment. Why not go whole hog and make it purely geographical?
Michigan, minnesota, nebraska and wisconsin to the Big 12 per Onion Sports.
I think Hoke and Co. can spin winning the Legends division 3 out of every 4 years as a positive for recruiting. Wasn't there also talk about adding a 9th conference game and dropping the non-conference to 3?
So OSU can just crazy glue whatever trophy you get for winning whatever the name of their division is to the Horseshoe because it ain't moving anytime soon. PSU could barely beat OSU even when they were relevant. Throw in those other teams plus sometimes good Wisconsin and OSU can breeze to Indy.
The only positive is that the B1G leftovers aren't that good right now.
I try not to get caught up in tinfoil hat conspiracy theories but Jeebus, is Delany sucking on OSU's d*ck or what? Each of the last two expansions has made things easier for OSU and harder for UM.
Whatever. UM's path to the division crown is way easier, and at this point I kind of expect GT and UNC to join, which would further throw this stuff up in the air.
I probably sound overly simplistic, but if UM plays MSU and OSU every year, I'm good. This is a program that shouldn't care if it plays Indiana, Purdue, or Minny every couple of years - they are all the same overmatched opponent to me.
Why the hell can't we just do east/west and draw the line straight through the state of Indiana.
So since we'll play MD and Rut once every thousand years this new "recruiting territory" will really only benefit PSU and OSU it seems. Great....
This whole deal stinks like a six pack of assholes. Michigan and Ohio should have been in the same division to begin with.
Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb
In all reality, with the direction teams in the legends division are going right now, If we beat Nebraska I like are chances of going to Indy every year.
I hope the Mayans were right.
I mean, the Big Ten died today. All the history, all the tradition. It is totally gone for Rutgers and Maryland. WTF? I know that Brian was joking and all, but we really should just call the local tattoo place, have them put OSU on the phone and join the damn SEC. What is the point of hanging around this conference anymore?
Actually, i have an idea. Let's start a new conference with following schools: Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, and Iowa. i wonder if that would work?
If we sacraficed Jim Delany to whatever the hell god the Mayans worshiped, could we please have an actual conference again? (OK that probably wouldn't work, but let's give it a try!)
...just go to eight 10-team divisions. N, NE, NW, S, SE, SW, E, W