Is it Time to have the Schlissel Discussion? (Beyond Football)

Submitted by Piston Blue on September 9th, 2020 at 11:32 AM

Seems like the University is a bit of a mess right now. Multiple student/outside labor groups have been voicing their displeasure in the administration's planning/preparation for a return to courses this fall vis-a-vis the new COVID-19 environment. A few of note:

RAs are striking

GSIs and some construction workers are striking

Personally, I understand and am all for increased measures to focus on campus safety (shift to hybrid/online classes and *ugh* no football) in an attempt to keep the University as academically viable as possible, but to justify those measures you need to display competency and preparedness. Based on everything that I've read, the administration is really struggling with this, to the point that I've read rumors that the Faculty Senate are pondering a vote of 'no confidence' in Schlissel.

I'm not in the 'we must have football' camp, but it's a bit disappointing that a large reason why it seems we're sacrificing even an opportunity to make that happen is to create a watered-down academic environment that will likely go kaput in a few weeks/months anyway.

Have to say, of all schools' COVID response up to this point, in my opinion MSU has been one of the absolute best because they chose to just bite the bullet.

enlightenedbum

September 9th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

It's definitely time to have the "are we prepared to invest in secondary education again?" discussion because that's at the root of all this bullshit.  But yeah, the University's handling of COVID has been not even half measures that guarantee the problem gets worse.  So it's an indictment of leadership.

WindyCityBlue

September 9th, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^

Agreed!

The wife and I changed our "college" savings fund for our children to more of a "post high-school advancement" fund.  We are starting to detach ourselves from promoting college as a the most viable destination after high school.  We will definitely not push college onto them, rather allow them to explore things (i.e. gap years, community college, etc.) before making the major investment in a major university. 

MRunner73

September 9th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^

You and your wife get concerning higher education. It's not just COVID where you are not getting the bang for your buck but how higher education is being taught these days. There are now so many convoluted things you can major in today that won't fit with the real world and obtain that desired occupation.

UMxWolverines

September 9th, 2020 at 5:13 PM ^

The institutions were also not charging anywhere near a year's worth of income for the average person per academic year even adjusted for inflation. 

And college was pushed by parents and schools as the best way to "get a good job" for millenials growing up.

So either drop the price or stop the misinformation. 

 

 

FrankTigers2

September 9th, 2020 at 11:46 AM ^

on top of all of that

  • RAs walked off the job today..which is no big deal because Frank Jr said that he never met his RA anyways.
  • Frank Jr's classes are recordings from last year.
  • Dining hall has served chicken fingers and french fries as their main meals for the last 5 days.  it seems as if they have given up as well

Some of you can get mad over this, but lets be honest...OOS people will not be flocking to UM next year as a result.  

Bo Harbaugh

September 9th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

I had the George Foreman grill and would take entire loaves of bread and a bunch of cheese and cold cuts and tomatoes from the cafeteria up to my room and grill for the hall.  Luckily had a cool RA that enjoyed the home cooking. 

Great memories

maizenbluenc

September 10th, 2020 at 8:49 AM ^

So to me, said RAs (my son’s RA was in absentia in 2017-18 as well) who walked of the job should get a bill for room and board at the single rate today.

GSIs should be charged for tuition and have their stipends reduced for everyday they are off the job. This should start with a bill for the whole semester today and letter explaining the proration with a date by which they have to pay it or be dis-enrolled.

I would bet there are other students who would gladly take a free single room in this environment, or work for free tuition plus a stipend.
 

Seriously, there are a lot of people working at-risk with precautions in this world - including my son who worked at a grocery store that desperately needed workers when his internships were cancelled because he needed money to pay for tuition, room and board.

Why do people who signed an RA, assistantship, or fellowship contract knowing full well the University intended a “Covid informed semester in residence”   feel they have a right to having cake and eating it too?

Piston Blue

September 9th, 2020 at 11:51 AM ^

Yeah that's a fair point, but at least they didn't try to half-ass solutions once everyone got there. They did send out an email (as I'm sure many schools have done) that justified why they're still keeping their tuition prices the same through all of this. As the first comment on the thread alluded to, due to loss of state funding for colleges/universities that led to schools building their own financial infrastructures, these schools are basically stuck with having to charge people insane amounts because they have no other way of staying financially viable.

Wendyk5

September 9th, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^

I think it depends on the size of the school. My son's school, which is around 2000 people, has done well so far. No active cases on campus that they know of right now. One case did pop up two weeks ago and they contact traced and everyone in close contact was quarantined in a separate dorm for a week and retested. Kids are following the rules, which are stay on campus, mask wearing in public, social distancing. Some classes are in person, some are online. Students can choose. It's a very small town, so that helps to keep everyone in place. I get why big schools have such a hard time doing it. My son's school and the town it's in are like their own bubble. 

blueheron

September 9th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^

Piston Blue, your post reeks of what I used to see on MLive (i.e., it's one of those "This is what _I_ think!" posts). In light of what Brian posted yesterday, it's also redundant.

Piston Blue

September 9th, 2020 at 11:54 AM ^

I didn't want this to be a football-based discussion, as I thought was kind of the point of Brian's post. I'm more trying to draw attention to some actions of rebellion amongst core student and faculty sources at the University because I haven't seen a ton of discussion about how the actual campus is doing with these changes.

Robbie Moore

September 9th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^

As a noted immunologist, I'm sure his conclusions on the subject are quite sound. But he does not appear to be a strong leader capable of riding herd on a bunch of disparate factions and getting everyone pulling in the same direction. When times are good he is fine...probably better than fine. When times are tough and require a firm, politically astute hand, not so much.

 

LewisBullox

September 9th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^

Being an epidemiologist would be much more relevant than being an immunologist.

It seems a lot of people seem to think of them as being the same, but immunology is focused on the immune systems of individuals and how they react and respond to things like allergens or viruses. Epidemiology is concerned with populations and disease spread through populations.

An immunologist could tell you all you want about covid and antibody response and how to treat a patient. They are not generally trained to understand how to manage macro a public health crisis due to a virus. That's what you want an epidemiologist for.

Even if he were also trained as an epidemiologist, it's not like the president of a university is going to be sitting in their office running simulations of viral spread on campus. They are going to rely on input of the experts that have the time to focus on such things.

Double-D

September 9th, 2020 at 5:30 PM ^

I would strongly consider an ER Physician’s opinion who treated Covid during its most overwhelming time and also has played and has son who plays Big Ten football.

I’m also not so sure we should have pitchforks out for Schlissel right now.  He needs to step up his crisis management and that includes better communication.  Not everyone is prepared for something of this magnitude.