Insider rumblings on Michigan's forthcoming response
I did a morning scour of reputable insider posting on social media and the paywalled boards today. (Subscribe to those sites to read the exact content for yourself. It's worth it if you are obsessed with Signgate.) Here are some of the interesting nuggets:
- There is a rumor that video of Michigan practices was stolen and shared with Michigan's competitors. This is why, last offseason, Michigan erected a fence around its outdoor practice field. Michigan may have evidence of who stole the footage and shared it.
- Insiders say that Michigan has shared with the NCAA how common the practice of sign-stealing is, including Illinois' Ryan Walters having all of Michigan's signals in advance of last year's game, and "someone" allegedly sharing our signs with Purdue, via video, in advance of the B1G championship last year. As we know, sign-stealing is not inherently illegal, but sharing video might be.
- Isaiah Hole seems confident that Michigan is going to "strike back" in a way that is forceful and narrative-altering, but I will reserve judgment on that until we see what Michigan actually has.
- In my view, if the B1G hands down this absurd indefinite suspension, Michigan should make a show of considering a departure to the ACC (or, at the very least, adopting ND's approach of semi-ACC affiliation) by leaking that they are discussing it internally.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^
So...am I the only person who doesn't think that The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie?
The Original Star Wars is still the best IMO. Empire can't be better because it isn't even a complete story; you are left hanging with no satisfying resolution.
November 5th, 2023 at 1:29 PM ^
Agree.
November 5th, 2023 at 1:48 PM ^
You may not be the only one, but you are wrong hahaha.
Even the first movie is technically not a complete story. It's chapter four...
November 5th, 2023 at 2:49 PM ^
"Empire" not ending with destruction of some sort of Death Star is a plus. Too much duplication in that series
November 5th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
John Williams and the Vienna Philharmonic. Excellence with excellence.
Kinda like Harbaugh and Michigan.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:16 PM ^
Doesn't this imply we are the Empire / Dark Side?
Which, fine! Let them feel the power of the Force!
November 5th, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
I mean, we do have James Earl Jones.
November 5th, 2023 at 1:37 PM ^
The Force is strong with this comment.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:14 AM ^
I love it
Also, this sounds to good to be true.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
Even though I have read the recent threads on here and there are some smart people suggesting the B1G may actually take the indefinite suspension route, part of me still doesn't believe it will happen. An unprecedented punishment like that without any due process against the biggest brand in the conference seems like a recipe for disaster that will pull down the entire conference and cause long-term damage to everyone involved. Unless these folks are very short-sighted or just plain stupid (both of which are possible, I suppose), I am going to bet it doesn't happen.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^
The people on reddit got really mad at a few people suggesting it but people need to face reality- those big B1G TV contracts are carried by 2, maybe 3 programs in this league. Maybe the league should let an actual investigation play out before pissing off one of those teams
November 5th, 2023 at 11:27 AM ^
Are you suggesting yesterday's Iowa-Northwestern tilt wasn't must-see TV? I mean come on, a scoreless first half, goal line stands, 17 total offensive points? What's not to love?!?!
November 5th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
At least MOON rolls off the tongue.
How do you say IOON?
November 5th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
To your point, remember a few years ago when Jim Delaney said "Every Big Ten team is going to play one game on Friday nights during each season." And Michigan and Ohio State said, "Like hell we are."
Well, guess who doesn't play on Friday nights: Michigan and Ohio State.
So you're exactly right about that.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
I agree with you that this is extremely unlikely, but:
Unless these folks are very short-sighted or just plain stupid (both of which are possible, I suppose)
It's the B1G. The last commissioner negotiated an impossible contract with NBC (night games in November), then forgot to actually sign it, and the conference hired an outside consultant to figure out how much of a bonus to pay him retroactively.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
Especially in a time where causing this kind of instability in a conference would particularly doom it. I mean, imagine if Michigan actually left. I’d like to think USC and their west coast pals would look at Ohio State, Penn State, and a bunch of nobodies and probably reconsider. As the conference of the AAU, this line of thinking they’re supposedly taking is rather stupid in today’s age of realignment.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^
The rest of the big ten are not nobody, they represent the ugly football at its extreme.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:42 PM ^
It’s possible it’s because the investigation has uncovered worse things than Michigan fans are willing to admit
November 5th, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^
They would have leaked it. They're even rehashing the staffer who was fired for thinking he was meeting an underage girl.
Osu is stressing that michigan is the better program now. They will do anything to bring us down.
Especially when michigan has is best team in years. They said this has been going on for years. If so why wait until 2 weeks ago?
November 5th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^
No they wouldn't. They would do exactly what they're doing. Drip. Drip. Drip.
Keep the distractions going into every remaining week of football. That's the goal with this timing, and how the leaks have been happening. Don't know how people don't see that.
I still don't think it'll be a "big deal" in the end, unless Harbaugh leaves. That's the ultimate goal of whoever orchestrated this thing.
November 5th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
Are you a Michigan fan? If you are, you just negated your own point that UM fans are not willing to admit it? If you are not UM fan, why are you here?
November 5th, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^
Don't know whether he's a fan or not, but this has been his narrative from the beginning.
November 5th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
Whos investigation? What are you talking about?
November 5th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
This situation has exposed a lot of under cover MSU/OSU troll accounts.
November 5th, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^
Ban 🔨
November 5th, 2023 at 3:31 PM ^
Time to head back to 11w
November 5th, 2023 at 4:36 PM ^
What investigation and conducted by whom?
November 5th, 2023 at 5:00 PM ^
There was an investigation?
Let's pretend for a moment that there was. If they've decided to suspend, why wait until tomorrow?
November 5th, 2023 at 2:56 PM ^
It's too late: a member institution independently investigating a fellow conf member is the thread that will unravel this conference.
Most of us don't want Rutgers, Maryland, MSU and around 115% of the B10 west in this conference anymore anyway.
This is the beginning of the end of the B10. And it has nothing to do with sign stealing. It's about trust and the NCAA carrying no weight anymore.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
Can we actually leave the conference ? Didn’t we sign a grant of rights or whatever for the length of the contract
November 5th, 2023 at 11:24 AM ^
We may have. But the contract only lasts 7 years IIRC.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^
No exit fee, but I believe a grant of media rights through the 2029-30 sports year.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:29 AM ^
I haven't read the contract, but I deal with a lot of contracts at work. There are always ways to terminate/back out. Most usually come with a cost.
November 5th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
I do as well, but the cost is usually minimum and definitely always benefit the company based on analysis.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:28 PM ^
For sure, pretty much everyone who has moved to another conference had to wiggle out of them.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^
I would almost imagine no, but if we could prove the conference damaged us without cause…?
November 5th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^
I'm sure that would be part of the lawsuit.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
If bullet point #2 is correct, then truly, Ryan Walters is as soft as Ryan Day.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^
They share the same roll of Charmin Ultra
November 5th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^
Ryan Walters actually uses the sloppy seconds.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:13 PM ^
Ewww. Probably accurate, but still. Ewww.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:59 AM ^
Going to enjoy watching his program flame-out.
Notice M was using the playsheets yesterday? Probably wasn't an accident.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:15 AM ^
If the Big Ten suspends Harbaugh indefinitely, then they better be prepared to suspend the head coaches of the teams that received Michigan's practice film as well, immediately, without investigation.
OR, they can take the logical route, consider the matter closed with Stalions resigning and perhaps fine Michigan and the other offending institutions.
This march by the Big Ten toward self-destruction has the potential to make the Conference look really bad, especially if Michigan blows the lid open on other Conference schools stealing signs as well...ESPECIALLY if the offending schools are the ones hypocritically calling for Harbaugh's head.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^
I wonder if the Pac-4 are wondering WTF they signed up for right about now. They're probably thinking Pac-12 was less dysfunctional.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:44 AM ^
They know what they signed up for, the almighty dollar.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^
They are scrubbing their hard drives as we speak.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
Unload everything you have today if you’re Michigan, in my opinion. Leak all of it. If the B1G presidents are going to have a kangaroo court vote to indefinitely suspend Harbaugh, make it obvious that they are doing it as a personal vendetta.
November 5th, 2023 at 11:48 AM ^
I'd say unload only as much as necessary. Leak the rest, OSU-style (with Pete Thamel doing the dirty work), later, maybe.
November 5th, 2023 at 12:15 PM ^
I think you really want to give those presidents something to think about before skipping due process. I know the majority here seems to think we will “win” in court, whatever that means, but I think the better move is trying to prevent it from going that way.