Holding a clipboard signaling in plays
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Holding a clipboard signaling in plays
Is to play the QB position, dressed in a Michigan uniform and Winged Helmet, in the year 2014 or beyond.
Given his interesting senior year and hence his need to develop substantially, stepping on the field this year would be a bad thing, not a good thing.
I'm no insider, but from what I've read, he ain't even remotely close to ready.
Second. That is the WOTS with the folks who have seen him play a lot at De LaSalle, in my experience.
My opinion would be to burn Morris' redshirt and use him as the # 2 from day 1. Get him as much playing time as possible when games are in hand, and let him learn as he goes. Then we can redshirt Speight (a very capable qb), and look to land a stud QB in 2015. The coaching staff is already trying to land stud QB's in the 2015 class, and my guess is they plan to not redshirt Morris. Why go after stud starting QB caliber players in 3 straight classes if you plan on redshirting Morris? We need Morris this year, as I don't think Cleary is a capable starter. If something happens and Gardner is forced to miss multiple games we would almost be forced to ride Cleary due to Morris having 0 in game experience. If it happens mid season Cleary will have some game action under his belt, and Morris would not. Morris' redshirt senior year would be 2017-2018. If we land a stud QB in 2015 then this would mean Speight would get 1 year as a starter and a stud 2015 QB would be given 2 years as a starter..Our QB situation would be very weak with Cleary as the #2, and would be incredibly strong come 2017-2018 if we had Morris, Speight, a stud 2015 QB (Campbell or Rosen) and my guess would be a top ranked 2017 QB on roster.
I would assume because no one goes out and tries to acquire a shit qb just to fill a roster spot.
you've never followed the Detroit Lions.
I never understood how people can think mop up duty against an inferior team's 2nd team is "valuable game experience." It makes no sense. Shane shouldn't play a down in a game next year if we can help it. HOWEVER! He should take every snap as the #2 QB in practice, THAT is where he'll get meaningful reps. Against OUR #1 and #2 defense each and every day.
So basically he's the #2 QB, but he just doesn't play in games unless he has to. A lot of times when you have a redshirt, that kid goes to the bottom of the depth chart...I wouldn't do that in this case.
It you need to burn it, then burn it. If not, then don't. I think you've got to play it by ear. This will also all depend on Morris' progression during the fall, and if he can grasp the O.
The Prussian Field Marshall Helmuth von Moltke:
"No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy."
Prepare him in practice as if he's the #2. But don't burn the redshirt unless and until forced to do so.
I think they will play Morris now that Bellomy is out. I think the coaches know with so little depth there that they will play the best available, which would be Morris (behind Gardner). If Gardner goes through the whole season healthy and they use Cleary to redshirt Morris I wouldn't be mad. But I don't think the coaches will take that chance that Gardner will be healthy the whole year.
The two options you discuss aren't really that different...maybe a few minutes. Really, how much substantial throw-away time is there in a full season? Maybe 1-3 quarters. Definitely NOT worth burning a redshirt to get him a few snaps with all the 2's/3's. If he is the listed #2 behind DG, and his redshirt will get burned no matter what, then maybe it's worth it, but I'd think Cleary could hold down the fort in those blowout situations. Redshirt and hope for the best.
The more pressing issue is this though: if DG were to get injured and Morris had been held out of those blowout situations to preserve his redshirt, then he's got no game experience at all, so you almost have to ride Cleary. We saw how well that worked out in the Nebraska game last year. So if they throw Morris into those garbage time situations, it's to prepare him with game experience in case he needs to step in for DG.
Bellomy played garbage time in several games before the Nebraska game. Garbage situations are not going to properly prepare you for playing in a competitive environment.
I never claimed garbage time will properly prepare him for playing in a competitive game, but it sure as hell beats having zero experience with 110,000 people watching you.
And while I'd love to have an extra year of eligibility for Morris, it isn't worth tanking this season if DG gets injured. Especially the way we're recruiting right now; I have no doubt there will be a talented QB ready to step in when Morris leave.
Of course, this all assumes that by the end of fall camp, Morris is a clearly better option than Cleary. If he's not, then it's all moot and redshirt away.
Morris needs to be a gunner on special teams,
That is the path to becoming a Lions QB. Every young man's dream job...
Can we still use him as a recruiter?
Why does everyone think Bellomy won't be ready? He's a QB - not a a WR. Has there been a medical opinion given by coaches on how long he is out?
My point is: Robert Marve played 9 games last year with a torn ACL, and he did it in week 2... I think? I would just think Russ would be back by September if he did it in April.
I think it depends if Perry the ACLephant has left campus and returned to Purdue.
I'm guessing that most people belive that Morris would beat out Bellomy even if Bellomy was able to play? Fair or unfair I think alot have pretty much written him off or are at least very apprehensive after that Nebraska game.
it's fair, unfortunately
Bellomy will be in his third year on campus. Morris has more potential, but Morris is far from a polished player right now even with that potential. People are writing off Bellomy way too quickly based off of one away game in a hostile environment. I don't think Bellomy will ever be a star, but he can be a solid back-up IMO.
IMO, if Bellomy was healthy, Morris would get a redshirt no doubt. Without him, you can't go out there with Cleary as your number 2 option, particularly if DG is out multiple games.
Up to the part when Bellomy pooped his pants in Lincoln.
I laughed at this and now I feel bad.
And if the receivers caught the ball. Who knows how his confidence could have swayed.
The problem was the only receivers who had a chance at catching Bellomy's passes were standing on the sidelines, including Nebraska's receivers when he threw toward that side of the field.
I don't think it's fair to write anybody off with a poor perfomance in a first real-game experience. It was a night game at Nebraska, with their second highest attendance figure ever (their highest attendance being more of a gimmick to fill seats for their 300th consecutive sell out vs Louisiana Lafayette). Don't get me wrong, it was a horrific performance, but it would be nice to see what the kid can do when he has a bit of experience, there is a rushing threat, and a less hostile crowd.
Otherwise you're right--it was indeed returned for a touchdown in a 38-9 win.
I dont think Bellomy will be ready..and my thinking that has nothing to do with his ACL
I'm not sure we want to follow the Purdue medical staff's example, given the huge number of ligament injuries their guys seem to have.
Recovery time after ACL surgery is getting shorter, but still, it's pretty uncommon for a guy to come back in less than 6-8 months. I think we could see Bellomy return before the end of the season, but almost certainly not for the beginning of fall camp, and probably not by opening day.
Can't convince me that burning his RS this year for any reason is a good idea. DG will be here another year regardless and all indications are that he is the QB with the most experience, gives us the best shot to win, and (right now) has the highest ceiling at the position. He has to be used until he graduates which means Shane should be sitting and waiting, practicing, learning, and come out guns blazing down the road.
I don't think we can say with certainty that Devin will be here next year. If he has a good enough season, he could be a 1st-Rounder
that is an extremely optimistic view of his potential. we have three new starting offensive lineman, an unknown group of running backs (?healthy Toussaint) and little in the way of proven receivers. if dg has that kind of year, i'm looking at a nc run.
What if it is the B1G championship game against OSU, an undefeated season on the line, Gardner goes down. We put a walk on QB in who stumbles, 3 and outs aplenty and a pick 6...we return the kickoff to the 50...1 miute left...you wouldn't want Morris in?
It's burning a redshirt unncessarily. We all think he has sky-high potential, I'm not sending him in for one drive at the cost of an entire future season. Not to mention if we have a backup with ANY college experience whatsoever, he will have a leg up on Morris.
Shane's time will definitely come but I just can't imagine a situation where that time is this fall. Give him at least one year to learn and go from there. He could be great.
I admire your conviction, but would you still stand by your position if that scenario happens...Shane Morris drives us into field goal position...we win...go to the national championship and win?
If that were to happen, would you still say that Hoke made the poor choice?
I agree that we should avoid using him, but I can think of scenarios where I am fine buring the red shirt.
We're dealing strictly in hypotheticals and you're painting up a very specific picture in which everything works out (up to and including a mNC victory). You can't really hold an argument like that against me.
You said "Can't convince me that burning his RS this year for any reason is a good idea."
Yet if Gardner went out in the national title game on the final drive with all of the marbles on the line, would you not want the best possible QB to go in over a walk on? You would want Morris in, would you not? In this team sport, would you not risk a year of eligibility for the very real chance of a national title now? Since if it works out and we win the title, you would not complain about the decision to burn the red shirt...seems to indicate that you value a title over an extra year of Morris, so you should be fine with the risk and the burning of the red shirt in this scenario.
I would like to red shirt Morris, but if there is a national title on the line or a chance to win the B1G title and appear in the title game then...I am burning the red shirt.
Hypothetical results of decisions are what Hoke has to consider when the circumstances arise.
and due to the fact that this would occur at end of season, i.e., he has had not actual game experience, it would in fact not be a viable option.
I don't think anyone is talking about Morris actually supplanting Gardner. The question is what we do about the backup QB position. Bellomy seems unlikely to be back in time for the start of the season, so who's the backup if it isn't Shane? A walk-on?
We need to to prepare for the possibility that Gardner will be NFL ready after this year. If Gardner goes pro, it would be much better if Morris had a little game experience going into the following year. He is also the most talented backup, so he likely gives us the best chance to win this year if we need him.
While I don't want to sit here and assume Gardner plays like an AA this year, you have to believe a guy with his upside has at least a chance to play his way into a first or second round pick. If Morris shows up in the fall looking like he is probably going to be better next year than Bellomy and Cleary (not an exact science, but I'll bet the coaches will have some idea,) then wouldn't you rather have an experienced sophomore playing next year instead of an inexperienced redshirt freshman? And if you think Speight is gonna be a good one, is it worth sacrificing a win or two in 2014 in exchange for a 5th year senior Morris starting in front of a senior/redshirt junior Speight? And what if Morris turns out to be really good and doesn't stick around for five years? The redshirt is only worthwhile if he stays five, of course. Sitting him this season does absolutely nothing for us unless he sticks around through 2017. So if he shows up in August looking the part, I think you've gotta play him.
I'd like to see formations with Morris and Gardner in together. I like Morris in the wild cat as well. He's too fast not to be on the field. I wouldn't mind him returning punts or kicks either. Red shirting him until absolutely needed makes no sense.
What about the scenario where you burn his redshirt this year and then redshirt him next year when Gardner is a senior?
Why does nobody talk about this as an option? What am I missing?
It's not like the video game, usually kids aren't happy being told they won't see any time after seeing time the first year. Your also potentially hurting Morris more by holding him out during the year you would expect to see the greatest development from him. Lastly, if he starts getting more polished, that's around the time you expect him to start pulling away from the other back-up QBs, so you want him available in that case.
I believe the rule ist you can only redshirt your first year unless it is for medical reasons. I.e. you can't randomly redshirt a sophomore - senior.
The rule is five years to play four, with a few exeptions for hardship or medical reasons.
I don't think that's accurate. Look at the Stonum & Hagerup situations, for example.
I believe the rule is that you have five years to play four seasons. I agree with Space Coyote that using a redshirt after a player's freshman year is easier said than done, but I'm pretty sure it is within the rules.
I stand corrected. Actually I'm sitting, but corrected none the less.
Probably the most apt comparison would be OSU LB Sabino. If I remember correctly, he was a guy who was really hyped, played early and disappointed, then took a redshirt year in the middle of his career to take time to mature and develop.
Legendary Ohio TE Giovanni Strassini did the same thing.
At least that's what he told my cousin who went to Ohio when he was signing autographs at an alumni event. I have been unable to verify via internets, which weirdly has no record of such a dude playing for Ohio.
ususally plays out their college elegibility. There is a chance but negligible.
Have there been any updates on the JUCO or transfer route? I think since the coaches have openly talked about this then they would like to redshirt him this year. However, if this is not possible then I think they'll have to wait to fall to see if he is capable or not to play this year. I guess it depends as well on the performance of walk-ons already here.
If we haven't gotten a juco/transfer by now, we're probably not gonna get one
Let it all sort itself out in Fall camp. If Morris and Cleary are pretty dead-even after camp, I'd say tie goes to the upperclassmen, as at least he's been in the system longer. But I do think Morris will begin to separate himself after a few weeks into the season. I'd love to see him redshirt, as it will do Morris a lot of good next year to hold a clipboard and get in the weight room. But if he's the best option behind Gardner, and Gardner goes down, play him.
You're doing a disservice to yourself, as well as the team, by not putting your best options on the field.
I think everybody agrees that if Devin gets injured, then Morris (assuming he is the #2) must play. The question is whether Morris should play whether Devin gets hurt or not, on the assumption that the preparation will be crucial if such an injury does occur (or if DG leaves early for the NFL).
If he's the second best option, then play him. We don't want to be put in a position where Devin plays so well this season that he leaves for the NFL, and we have no QB with any significant snaps. Especially with the road schedule that we have in 2014.
It sucks to burn a redshirt, but if necessary, I'd rather give Shane some meaningful snaps this year, or at least garbage time. Especially if he's the next best option. If we don't, and Gardner leaves next year, we wouldn't necessarily be screwed, but it would just make things for 2014 more complicated.
Then have him "injure his back" later in the year.
Ask Heiko to write this on a slip of paper and hand it to Gorgeous Al next time he sees him.
This year, redshirt next. I think that is the best option.
I have heard this opinion many times but i just dont like it..Are you saying redshirt Morris and leave Speight as the #2 or #3 ? because i dont think its unreal to think Speight and Morris will be better options than Bellomy...I cant justify not playing the best players.
Play Morris and redshirt Speight i can see but not the Morris redshirt his sophmore year..it doesnt sound like something a program like Michigan would have to do with its recruiting power and i cant see Morris liking the idea either.
Get Morris experience this year. Next year, when you have 4 scholarship QBs available to you take some time to consider long term. If the difference between Morris and Bellamy / speight isn't massive, try and redshirt him.
This year, the Likely difference between Morris and the other options is much greater than it will be next year.
Are getting to the point where long term shouldn't really be a factor in decision making. QB may be the last position where depth is an issue, but after this season, that problem is hopefully gone.
Based on his sr year (ok course mono played a part) I am not sure Shane is ready but I say play Shane next year despite this. Your point about depth is accurate.
Assuming DG does not declare for the draft, a year from now you are going to have
DG, Bellomy, Shane, Wilton on your roster. If DG goes you still have 3.
The year after Shane, Wilton, and 2015 top end recruit, etc.
We should be back to the cycle where your starter mostly is going to be playing just 2 years as a jr and sr by the 2016 season.
is close to Morris, you redshirt Morris and put them in the same class? I fail to see any logic to this approach.
If we hadn't burned Denards and Devins redshirt then we wouldn't really have qb depth worries this year. DIlithium could just step back in.
You Play To Win Theee Game !! ...Whoever wins the #2 QB spot in fall camp is #2..All that future stuff handles itself..we are recruiting very well so lets win now and let the future play out..there is no guarentee Morris will be the man down the road anyway (i think he will).
We cant play the what if game and lose..We have a good team now and have to go into every game with our best players we can line up..to me its simple as that
Depends on how good Cleary is, which, let's face it, only the coaches know.
was a beet farmer
Never burn a redshirt if you don't have to. That said, the scenario all comes down to Gardner staying on his feet. If Gardner gets the wind knocked out of him and we're undefeated and it's 3rd and 8 in the opponent's red zone deep into the B1G season, you insert the player that gives you the best shot to win. My guess in that scenario is Shane.
If we are undefeated late in the season and need our backup QB to come in and play in a critical situation, then certainly we must put in Morris if he's the best option we have available. But that's not the decision point. The decision point is when we are up by 40 on Akron with six minutes left in the game. I think we go with Cleary and hope we don't face a situation where Morris is needed later in the year. But there is a respectable argument that you put Morris in then, burning his redshirt, so that he will be incrementally better preared to face that hypothetical late-season third-down you posited.
...convert him to WR.
I know there was no harm meant, but I feel it's really weird to have a topic titled "How to use Shane Morris"
He's not a thing to be used. He's a student athlete. I hope he gets every opportunity to help the team and his educations (on and off the field) that Michigan can provide and I'll trust the coaches to decide how that can happen.
"You're an asset... an expendable asset. I used you to get the job done."
and get him all the garbage-time reps you can.
You've got to make the 2nd best QB the backup. If Morris is better than Cleary then he should play. He will have at least 2 years as a starter no matter what, so burning his redshirt isn't exactly the same burning Gardner's, who was only one year behind Denard. I don't think sacrificing success now for hypothetical success down the road is a great idea, we don't have any idea what will happen in four years.
1. If DG goes pro after 2013, Shane needs game experience.
2. DG needs competition to keep improving.
3. If DG stays, no guarantee Shane beats Wilton or other hot recruits for 3 seasons.
4. Next 2 seasons are critical for UM - cannot risk a disaster like Lincoln 2012.
Worth the immediate benefit to not "save" him for 2017 season.
Honest question, why does he "need" game experience? Didn't a RS freshmen just win the Heisman last year? If Gardner goes down and Shane is the clear #2 then you play him no doubt, but I question how valuable handing the ball 10 times to Justice Hayes and Dennis Norfleet is going to be for Morris's development.
If Michigan continues to recruit one good QB per season (and why wouldn't they?) then what's the sense in saving him? We might not need him for the fifth year if a fourth year Speight is good, or a third year so-and-so elite QB that we pick up next cycle is good. Of course, our ability to pull these top QBs depends in part on winning games now. If Morris can help do that, the choice to me is obvious.
There's no way that DG goes pro after the 2013 season. He was so stoked to get a fifth year and he only has 5 (?) starts...We're also setting up to have a monster 2014 year if you ask me...
As much as I would like to see them redshirt him in my head I'm thinking a I'm sitting watching the game with all the hype dying down becaus of itbeing a blowout the bam here comes Shane and all the stands are hype again it would be awesome. I would be just as fired up as I was at the beginning of the gm. I know we've had a lot of gd recruits lately but I feel like Shane had a lol to do with that. He's my favorite recruit since mallett and then he left so blah.
It's a Caris Levert delimma on the football field. I'm gonna use NCAA style ratings to support my opinion.
Let's say DG is a 93, Morris is a 75 and Cleary a 73. Probably worth keeping the reshirt on Morris since Cleary isn't a huge step down and we hopefully won't need to use him outside of junk time and a series here or there.
Now let's say Morris is a 85 and Cleary is a 73. We want to win now, and if Morris earned the backup job and gives us a better chance to win then by all means we should play him. He'd still be the heir to the QB job as a Junior and Senior, and two years of being starting QB at Michigan is no small feat. You might counter with, "but wouldn't it be better to have him for three?" Well, Wilton Speight, and current 15 year olds with lasers will be around by then.
The program needs four years of good QB play from Shane Morris. If the clock needs to start now, so be it. He'll be well-seasoned as a backup when his number is called as a Junior. Future QB commits will help you forget about that "wasted" 5th year.
Another variable is the real possibility that Devin Gardner leave for the NFL after this year. Do I expect him to? No. But he has incredible potential and if he puts together a great year (complete with B10 Championship) then I couldn't fault a guy who already has his Michigan degree for leaving if his stock dictates it. It would be nice to have some measure of experience behind him in case that scenario unfolds.
(note: I lost like 20,000 points for heavly criticizing Hoke/Borges for not having a real backup quarterback ready against Nebraska, so I am treading lightly here)
If Morris is our second best QB, and he is needed, he must be ready be ready.. How different would last year have been if a mildly prepared Gardner steps in agains t Nebraska, instead of the deer in the headlights show Bellomy put on?
Morris has great potential, but Speight is right behind him, and somehow I suspect Hoke will continue to recruit well and keep the QB pipline full. Arent we about due to recruit another CA QB to get on line?
Your MGoPoints are awesome!
the other 979,595 points for?
Hoke's philosophy is to let players compete and whoever is the best will play regardless of class year. Morris may have the better physical talent but Cleary is more familiar with Borges' system. Let them compete in Fall practice and Borges will decide who gives "The Team, The Team, The Team" the best chance to win if called upon.
"The real question, then, is whether you think of burning Morris's redshirt as inevitable (therefore, you might as well burn it immediately), or possibly avoidable (therefore, you should avoid it as long as you can)."
I'd say the real question was whether Brian Cleary proves he can run the team, at least for short stretches. He should get a chance against Central, not against ND, but yes against Akron and Connecticut, and maybe even Minnesota. If Brian gets enough game experience early in the season for the coaches to evaluate whether he can do the job, the coaches can decide either Brian can handle it or Morris has to get in right away, and take some snaps, and be ready if Devin goes down.
My guess is the coaches will do everything possible to avoid buring Morris's redshirt. But if Shane shows well in practice and Brian shows he's not quite up to the task, Brady will have no choice but to play Shane this fall.
Devin has already graduated having earned his degree in 3 years. There is no guarantee that he'll return for his 2nd year of eligibility if he has a terrific season this fall. In fact, I'd be surprised if he stayed, because I think he'll be wonderful with the Oline an the receivers to help him.
that if you don't use Morris, you run the risk of having him have a Bellomy-like experience if/when he has to play in a real game that matters. Obviously, the Nebraska game was just one game, but it didn't inspire tons of confidence in Bellomy, and makes me shy away from really using him as a serious backup. At any rate, if you are fairly sure the walkon will never be a serious option past this year, you want to give the guy you think will (Morris) as much time to play the position as possible, meaning you might throw him in this year when it's a low pressure situation to give him the experience.
EDIT: Looking at our schedule next year, Morris would get garbage time in at least the CMU, Akron, UConn, Minnesota, and Indiana games next year, and maybe even Penn State, so that's at least five games he could play a quarter or so in.
I would not sleep on Indiana. I am not saying they are going to a bowl or anything but they took Ohio to 52-49 or something like that last year and finally have a legit QB. I would not consider that a cakewalk anymore. And PSU will never be a cakewalk. Instead another 38-0 Notre Dame game will be a good place to get mop up duty ;)
Move him to D-Line. I would love to see Morris and Frank Clark rushing the QB.
The title is a bit risqué, don't ya think!
Let the coaches decide rather than people who won't even see him practice or get a feel for how he grasps the offense make any more moronic comments about anoint him the chosen one.
I know everyone likes the young man, but he is 18 and needs time to mature as a human and player. Lets give him that. He is not, and I repeat he is not Drew Henson or Chad Henne. Ceiling, possibly better, but only with time and reps. He will look pretty rough come August 15th no matter what.
I will give you Drew Henson but no one saw ahead of time what Henne would do. He was not a super duper type recruit that everyone was talking about. If not for the Guiterez (sp?) situation Henne would have never seen the field his freshman year. You just never know with these kids how they will react and perform. Oregon and other teams are now regularly throwing out frosh QBs with decent success.
I disagree that Henne wasn't a big-time recruit at the time. I know Gutierrez was expected to start in '04 because he had already been on the team for a couple years and probably would have started but for a nagging injury. But Henne was a 5-star QB and the headliner in the 2004 recruiting class.
Dude, Henne was a huge recruiting coup for us. He was a 5-star guy. PSU was devastated that he turned us down and their fans have always hated him since.
maybe Shane will be epically amazing by then, but we'll also probably have a Sr/RS Jr Wilton Speight behind him and possible another highly rated Jr/RS So QB behind that. It may be worth it to play him as the #2 this year vs struggling now for the hope that he will save us all 3 years down the road.
There's also the possibility that Cleary is just better in Borges' offense this year anyway which would negate all this discussion
The coaches will use Morris as a human shield protecting Devin.
<Richrod> I think we should put Shane in as a slot receiver or a hybrid defensive spintackle. </Richrod>
I would be surprised to see Shane Morris redshirt in 2013. Morris will be the second best healthy quarterback on the roster when he arrives in the summer, therefore I think the coaches will get him ready to play, and will play him early on in the season.
As Brady Hoke likes to say, what's best for the team is usually best for the individual, and in this case what's best for the team will be Shane Morris on the field getting experience in the case of an unfortunate injury to Devin Gardner
We should just dress Morris with Bellomy's uniform (and a dark visor) and dress Bellomy with Morris' uniform, and just let it slide...
I wonder how often that actually happens.
Probably much less now that virtually all games are televised, and the cameras can get closeups of guys' faces.
Now that I think about it, the only flaw with my plan is trying to explain when Bellomy became left-handed
That may explain why he was so awful against Nebraska... He IS left handed.
The choice is between a hyped freshman coming off a debilitating illness who steps onto campus in the fall, a three star recruit coming off a horror show and knee injury, and a walk-on with experience. My guess is that it will take most of the year before Morris can demonstrate that he's clearly better, at which point the coaches will only burn his redshirt under emergency conditions.
Btw, if Gardner chooses to leave for the NFL after 2013, we will have likely not had an emergency. Vaulting into the first day will almost certainly require 11+ games and good to outstanding performances against Notre Dame, OSU and a bowl opponent - if he gets hurt or we fall on our faces against good competition he's not getting drafted on the first day.
I suspect we have the choice between no Gardner and no game-experienced QBs in 2014, or both :/
Morris won't play unless he's number two and needed. The few snaps he might get early on probably won't be worth the loss of a year of eligibility to him or to the coaches. Frankly, it seems like he'll need a year anyways to work on mechanics and strength anyways.
very hard to project 4 and 5 years out.
if morris is 2nd best QB he should prepare and play QB.
last year's nebraska loss became inevitable because of backup QB play. all made worse when gardner showed his level of play the next week.
Why would DG avoiding injury mean that this thread wouldn't matter?
The fact is, the coaches have to make a decision before the start of the season as to whether Morris redshirts or not. They have to make that decision without knowing whether DG will stay healthy for the entire season.
This is kind of an interesting game theory problem. I think you try to redshirt Morris, because it gives you the only chance at the best outcome, and because I don't think garbage time reps will significantly improve Morris's chances of playing well in the event he has to come in for an injuryy to DG. But other people might put different numbers in the boxes:
DG stays healthy
DG does not stay healthy
Morris does not redshirt
We need to factor in how competetive Morris is. He's going to come in with the goal of beating out Gardner (not that it's going to happen). I think by the end of fall camp that Morris will have shown enough that it will be clear that he will be a much better back-up as the season goes on. I haven't done any research on this, but I don't think you redshirt your back-up QB. Also, Morris is competetive enough that if he is the second best QB that he won't want to redshirt.
My guess is that Morris won't play in the CMU game to give the coaches a chance to see how things are going (Morris progress, Bellomy injury recovery and Cleary readiness), but he will play against Akron.
We are helped that other than against Notre Dame, we shouldn't need him to be very good to win until the PSU game in Mid-October. That gives him an extra month and a half to learn the offense. His arm is strong and accurate enough that Borges can put in a package that he can run successfully without knowing the whole offense.
Michigan football, since the days of Chad Henne has been a little unstable, leading to the inability to redshirt quarterbacks on a consistent basis. Although we would all like Shane Morris to redshirt, the likelihood of the opportunity presenting itself is slight. Since the recruitment of David Cone, only Russell Bellomy was afforded the opportunity to redshirt his freshman season. With Bellomy's knee injury I don't think the opportunity will be presented to Shane Morris.
IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!!!!
I want Shane to have as much game experience as possible entering the 2015 season, as I think it sets up best for a NC run. Green will be a junior looking towards the NFL, our OL and DLs will be experienced and deep. Funchess and Darbough will be seniors. No ND. Ohio and Sparty at home. That year sets up better than 2016, and if DG stays for 2014, Shane needs meaningful snaps ASAP.
They are extremely bright.