Detroit Sports 105.1 kills the Hail and Unite team on air
Detroit Sports 105.1 interviewed Mike Weinberg from the Hail and Unite team and just destroyed him on the air. But Hail and Unite continues to press on.
http://www.detroitsports1051.com/drewlanepodcast/2015/02/12/a-new-michigan-fight-song
February 13th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
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February 13th, 2015 at 1:15 PM ^
..when you are asking for funding that could be used to support basically any other more worthy cause.
February 13th, 2015 at 5:11 PM ^
Here's a legit question: Why do they need funding? I am certain that the University has ProTools 10, or Ableton Live, or some other such program available. Furthermore, I'd be willing to bet that there are at least 1,000 students at U of M with those types of programs on their own computers who possess the ability to create and edit music; i wonder if either of these guys asked around to see if they could use a friend's computer for this purpose. Also, the school has microphones and recording equipment as well (WCBN for sure; what used to be WOLV TV; likely the School of Music; etc). Or, if you really actually want to do this, you can do what I (and countless others) have done and get yourself free copies of the above-referenced software and plug-ins for free or a steep discount if you're willing to illegally download them from a foreign website. And, also, there is freeware out there on the internet that they could use for this purpose as well (e.g., Audacity; Reaper)
I still cannot understand why actual money would need to be expended to make this project a reality. If these guys were serious, they'd make the music FIRST. Instead, they're asking for money, which makes me think it's about anything BUT the music. It is cheaper now to make music than at any point in human history. They don't need money to make music, and they have everything they could ever need (mics, mixer, etc) at their disposal via the University. This reeks of a poorly thought-out scam with sketchy motives.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^
There's a reason why they just fired their program director. They are abysmal. I had such high hopes, but when I looked at the guys they hired, I as less than impressed.
Didn't like Dery on 97.1 and I loathe Ermanni. I was excited when I saw Beard on the radio, but it's Rico Beard, not Rod Beard.
To be fair, I don't think the kid knew 105.1 was calling. He didn't sound like he was expecting a call. Fortunately, only about five people heard the interview.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:42 PM ^
The Hail And Unite team knew the interview was coming and advertised for it on their Twitter account. That is the only reason I found it. 105.1 didn't ambush them with a surprise phone call; this was prearranged interview.
Tune into @DSports1051 to hear our very own Mike Weinberg discuss our aim to give Michigan a uniting pump-up anthem: http://t.co/bT9hW1NLJl
— Hail and Unite (@hailandunite) February 12, 2015
I pretty much hate most sports talk radio. Not sure what they were expecting when they agreed to the interview. Personally, I disagree with your interpretation. I think the interview sounds like Weinberg was prepared for it; he just comes up off really poorly. It sounded like Weinberg had prepared talking points.
"It is a song, but it's more of a movement."
"Innovate the space. Innovate the music, entertainment, and sports space in a way that no other school has ever done."
February 13th, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^
I've heard that show cold call folks before so I figured this was S.O.P. I did not exactly find the utmost in professionalism on either side of the call.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
If they want to write a pop music song, they can knock themselves out.
If they want to write a pop music song AND have it be played constantly at Michigan sporting events, thereby further reducing the role of the marching band, that's another story.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:13 PM ^
If they are against the idea, then this should die a fast and speedy death. But if the majority of students favor hearing them out and eventually supporting this, then go ahead. It's their University also and they should have an opportunity to leave their imprint in school history, good or bad.
All I want for my University is: The Victors, Public Ivy education, leaders in classrooms, labs and socieyt, plus B1G titles. As long as the song doesn't touch those things, I'm fine.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^
If the students actually support this...
February 13th, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^
and Hokeamania. I guess I've been desensitized.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^
This is seriously JUST a question to all the "traditionalists" out there. I am not arguing, this is not blasphemy, just an inquiry for reasoning.
Everyone was up in arms about the Dave Brandon regime, this is understandable as too much is just that, TOO MUCH. That being said, my question is this: How much is "too much" of staying static in regards to tradition??
Now to clarify, I am not saying that anybody should EVER mess with "The Victors" or its place on gameday, Michigan lore, or anything that is or ever was Michigan. The song will always be tied to UM. What I am saying is that I just don't PERSONALLY see a problem with some changes. Especially when its students trying to create something special. (Not saying this project will even work)
The present will some day be history and tradition too. IMHO, as long as you don't try to re-write or replace the past and you respect what has become before you, then why not try to add to that for the future.. Life changes, generations change, why not let these students take a crack at this thing before judgment is passed..
If I am wrong about this, and am too anti-tradition, I was RESPECTFULLY just hoping to hear the other side of this and the reasoning behind it,
Thanks.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^
Read Seth's front page post about this. He discusses just this issue. It's not that no other traditions can ever be a thing. It's that traditions have to be organic.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^
Yeah, I read that, and can see the point.. And again, just fyi, I am NOT saying this thing is "awesome and we should totally let these students run with it".. I guess I am just saying that it sounds like a lot of biased judgment.. both from a traditional standpoint, and also from a blasting these "idiot kids" pre-judgment..
Unless of course people know them personally... I have just always been a but worried that there is a point that this AWESOME fan base and alumni base may someday step over the line of cockiness and the thought that everything we did in the past is right, there is no need at all to change, adapt, or listen to anyone new or on the outside.. Thats it.. Just a worry for me.. I will remove myself from this soap box and get back to actual work.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^
The moment they called it a "new fight song", they failed. Sorry, I'm not judging them personally, but "The Victors" is untouchable, and anyone who is trying to "brand" something that competes with it is just way out of touch with what is important and special about Michigan.
Add into it the fact that more pop RAWK music does nothing but diminish one of the best reasons why Michigan is unique...and you get a lot of peopel with the "hell no" reaction. Call it biased if you want, but there's a very good reason many of us are biased about it.
Here's an idea - instead of this project, why not spend a fraction of that $3000 as a contest prize for musicians (students or alumni) to compose a new, original marching band piece, something that could be uniquely "Michigan". That's WAY more organic than this seemingly-forced initiative and branding effort, plus it takes advantage of one of Michigan's best gameday assets: THE MARCHING BAND.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^
I see and agree with the "introducing it as a new fight song" point you make A little more research into how this was going to be presented to the students and public could have probably gone a long way.
February 13th, 2015 at 8:07 PM ^
RE: something more rational and likely to succeed (like your contest suggestion):
Yeah, but then Mike Weinberg wouldn't get his 15 minutes...
February 13th, 2015 at 4:37 PM ^
...but they really don't. Many "traditions" we hold common were created. Some of them for very avaricious commercial reasons.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:35 PM ^
A lot of us simply think that the presence of marching bands is a unique thing about college sports that differentiates them from the pros, who don't have them and thus need to turn to RAWK to fill that void. We see our stadium experience watered down when we go down the RAWK path and reduce the role of the MMB. I don't think that's a good development, and quite a few people around me at the stadium agree. Reading comments on OSU boards, they too dislike the RAWK infiltration.
The more college sports become like the pros, the less interesting they become. If you're going to get the same basic experience at both pro and college games, why go to the latter and see less-talented players? This is something that Brandon completely didn't get and I don't think these guys do either. Keep college as unique as possible.
If these guys wanted to write a song for the MMB to play, I'd be fine with that. The MMB should be at the center of the experience - not Eminem or whoever else is on their pop star du jour list.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
One things that truly irritates me about the "Hail And Unite" stuff is that it does add to what a lot of people that I know at least see as the problem, and that is as you say - that this experience is slowly starting to morph into the experience I could have at, say, Ford Field (and for a little less there too, I might add). In the past, I would often go to game not only because I obsess about Michigan football but because I could drop the world off at the gate for a bit. I can't even really do that now and trying to invent traditions like this song rather than have them evolve as they traditionally do just does not sit well.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^
Traditions have changed for the good. See: Can't Turn You Lose becoming a major part of all M sporting events.
However, there's been an obvious correlation with the extreme removal of traditions (and insertion of common arena tropes) and the decline of the game-day experience.
People have been all for slight progressions: Night games, larger video screens come to mind. However, when you take away the unique things that make Michigan what it is, you've created an atmosphere that exists in ever MLB Stadium and NBA Arena. Why make Michigan games a priority when you get the same experience at a Wednesday night Philadelphia Flyers game?
The number of times the Crisler Arena DJ has drowned out student section cheers or the band with Jock Jamz is becoming uncountable.
The number of MMB staples that are now rarely played at football games is growing (Rocky and Bullwinkle theme, Varsity). Heck, the MMB used to play versions of current pop songs and people loved it and danced and sung to them. What happened to that?
And finally - the overuse of Seven Nation Army. So that we are, literally, just like everyone else.
At what point do we say "We tried it. It didn't work. Let's go back to being organic and unique."
EDIT:
Also, I can't stand the Crisler soundboard. "MAKE SOME NOOIISE!" and "EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS"
Just let the student section start a fucking "Go Blue" chant goddammit.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:43 PM ^
Couldnt agree more on that point.. Ha ha.. That is actually why I thought this may be a good project.. If they were trying to replace Seven Army Nation (generic) with something specific to Michigan, I kinda would be for it.. It just sounds like the original scope was to replace "The Victors" until they quickly realized that was never going to happen..
So I see the points, and I still certainly think that there can be a happy medium between staying static and honoring tradition and adapting to new global trends... I guess its always going to be a grey and opinionative area around what is too much..
February 13th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
February 13th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
Inventory what you're trying to solve.
Critically important next step: validate your list of problems that need solving with the people effected/involved. Maybe some statistical sampling could help here...
Do they agree that there is a problem that needs solving?
If, "Yes" , then have the same people answer the follow up question.
Will a song, that would infringe on the greatest fight song in college sports history, solve the problem?
Can't wait to hear the results......
Ughhhhhhhh.....
February 13th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
"It is a song, but it's more of a movement"
GAG ME.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^
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February 13th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^
Yes, that was a bit of a red flag.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:54 PM ^
So was communism.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:03 PM ^
"Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism..."
February 13th, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^
"at least it's an ethos"
February 13th, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
February 13th, 2015 at 5:16 PM ^
February 13th, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^
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February 13th, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^
This is ridiculous. Sometime should tell these kids what "organic" means. Hint: this orchestrated campaign is exactly the opposite of that.
It's weird that the kid didn't say "go blue" back to the interviewer at the end, but I guess no more weird than this kid's idea that he is prepared to go on the radio defending his project given that the only thing he appears to be ready to do is heap maximally vague praise on it.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:52 PM ^
After listening to that interview, it's blatantly clear that these kids have no idea what they're doing. Just from the jargon language they use, you can tell these kids are approaching this from an "MBA-look-good-on-my-resume" standpoint, without thinking about why they are doing it, or what the actual need is, or who they are actually serving.
Also - don't ask people for $$$$ for this. If you want to write a song, just write a song. If it's good, other people will get involved. Let it be organic, let it come from their hearts...they don't need all of this campaign BS - JUST DO IT - like every other musician has ever done. But to ask people to donate actual money to support it????? No.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:54 PM ^
are a pair of fast talking feather merchants. no better or worse. major fail. big future on wall street I'll bet.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:15 PM ^
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February 13th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^
It's great how just under a minute into the clip the host asks "How's the song coming?" and in the background someone just blurts out "terrible."
February 13th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^
This reminds me of all the people I worked with in advertising who would stand up in front of a room full of people and shamelessly sell anything, like a talking spokesdiaper where one of the leg holes acted as the mouth (for Luv's Diapers) or a woman who grew a second set of hands to demonstrate how a hand cream can make your skin feel like new.
February 13th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^
Talking spokesdiaper had me cracking up. I wish you had a picture of that. I would LOVE to see that! What a terrible idea.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^
if the song winds up being really good?
February 13th, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^
Why is their song going to be great? Because they want it to be? Because they'll get someone to help that knows something about music? If only it were so easy.
February 13th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^
February 13th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
At this point we should just let these kids dig a deeper and deeper hole for themselves. This interview was hilarious. They clearly went to the "Dave Brandon Memorial School of PR."
February 13th, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^
February 13th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^
I'm all for ND humiliating themselves. I'd rather not see Michigan do the same. (We've already had the humiliation on the field the last 7 years.)
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February 13th, 2015 at 3:43 PM ^
Is it really in the right place? In the face of nearly unanimous opposition and scorn to the idea, they seem to be trudging right along.
This reeks more of B-school project and self-aggrandizing than a 'heart-in-the-right-place' effort. If it was, they'd probably cut their losses at the realization that the fanbase overwhelmingly hates the idea.
February 14th, 2015 at 7:30 PM ^
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February 13th, 2015 at 9:52 PM ^
I would love to hear what John Pasquale would say to them about getting the marching band involved. Or Haithcock.
But seriously, if there are any current members of the band willing to comment on this, as a former member, I am extremely curious to know where the current band members, the people who would be most effected by this, would think about being forced to play something possibly written or composed by a "movement."