CC: Harbaugh's extension offer

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By now, most have heard the news that JH has been offered a sweetened extension to his current deal by Stanford.

Link:  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5889922

Putting aside Stanford's AD's optimism, who knows whether JH will sign it.  Who knows if he is in contention for the Michigan job or if there even is a Michigan job.

But, this public offer does impact my view of Brandon's handling of our coaching situation.  My opinion is now that Brandon is mis-handling it.  Why?  There are two possible decisions that DB can reach in January, and regardless of which he reaches, he JH's public extension offer by Stanford makes DB's handling poor:

1.  DB decides to keep RR, either because he thinks that RR is the best option or because there are no better alternatives (and if JH signed an extension, there really aren't any, regardless of whether you are pro-RR or anti-RR).  If this is the outcome, than DB screwed up in his process.  Delaying has already cost us a potential super-star compliment to Denard in Dee Hart.  It has also cost us our only QB in the class.  I know that Sousa was not a 5* prospect and he is considered to be a project at QB, but so was Denard.  The fact that kids are decommitting and other feel compelled to comment on the situation on twitter has really hurt recruiting.  If the end result is to keep RR, then this should be done yesterday, so that we can have stability and end the drama surrounding our program.

2.  DB decides to fire RR.  Here is the one reason that I have not been mor down on DB - I bought into the conspiracy theory that DB has been delaying his decision because his plan was to go after JH and he did not want to create a circus surrounding JH forcing JH to sign an extension with Stanford on the even of his big game like Miles did.  If this was his plan, it jsut got blown sky high by Stanford's AD beating him to the punch.  If JH signed with Stanford and DB decides to fire RR, then our only worthwhile replacement is gone and we are left with who?

I have become increasingly frustrated by DB's delay.  Not because I want to know for my own edification.  Because, as expected, this delay is hurting recruiting, increasing negative attention on our program and causing uncertainty that cannot possibly be good for this young team as it prepares for its first bowl game in 3 years.  I personally could see dealing with this if DB was doing so to prevent putting JH in a tough spot before his bowl game, but now JH is in that same spot regardless.

2 caveats:  (1) Notice that I did not express an opinion on which decision DB should make.  That is not the purpose of this post.  Personally, both JH and RR are creat coaches, and I am happy that I don't have to make this decision. 

(2) Yes, I know that there is a post entitled "Reputable rumor: Harbaugh . . ."  That just talks about a rumor that JH has already signed an extension.  This is a discussion about actual news - that Standord has publicly offered JH an extension.

Tacopants

December 6th, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^

And what if Jim Harbaugh said "I'm not going to deal with any of this until after the bowl game."

Hart hasn't decommitted.  If he does, it might be because of coaching uncertainty, or it might be because he wants to play with Clinton-Dix at Bama, or it might be because of the tailspin we entered in the back half of the season.  We'll know when we know.

Sousa, by all indications, wasn't feeling the love from the coaches, and didn't like looking up at Denard, Forcier,and Gardner at the depth chart.  I fail to see how hiring Jim Harbaugh NAO!!! would have changed that.  Unless of course you mean Denard and Gardner would immediately transfer to Rich Rodriguez's new school.

Let's also be honest here, Stanford's AD probably doesn't think that Harbaugh will stick around for any more than the 2011 season at best.  So he probably knows that Harbaugh won't be fulfilling the contract extension.  All of this is CYA by him.  This way angry irrational message board people* won't come up with stupid reasons to fire him (BUT WHY DIDN'T OUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR OFFER 30 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR HIM  AND OFFER TO BLOW UP THE MOON BECAUSE IT KEEPS HARBAUGH AWAKE AT NIGHT???!?)

*sound familiar?

Hal_Victor

December 6th, 2010 at 11:25 AM ^

1) No one here knows DB's state of mind or plan and what he has done or will do to effect that plan.

2) No one here has seen the terms of the alleged JH contract extension, so no one can say what said extension means to the CC situation.

3) Michigan has a bowl game in 26 days - Go Blue!

PurpleStuff

December 6th, 2010 at 11:24 AM ^

Though I, like many others, would prefer a quick decision from Brandon (as much for my own peace of mind as for the sense of stability it would bring the program), I can see one scenario where waiting does make sense from Brandon's perspective. 

If he wants to keep Rodriguez or if Harbaugh is leaning toward staying at least another year at Stanford, Brandon could either endorse Rodriguez immediately or wait.  If he endorses him immediately, critics of the coach freak out and scream "But just lost Ohio Statez three timez arrrrghghghghghg!!!"  They will also openly pine for their man-crush, Jim Harbaugh.

On the other hand, if Brandon waits until Harbaugh is no longer available (and I think his desire to stay at Stanford could fall into the 95% of stuff that we apparently don't see), he takes away the primary (and really the only viable) option advocated by those wanting Rodriguez ousted.  Without Harbaugh in the discussion, the decision to retain Rodriguez becomes a lot easier for all but the staunchest Rodriguez haters (and maybe a few of Brady Hoke's family members). 

If Brandon could do this while sticking to his public story that "this is the timeline" and perhaps quietly reassuring recruits that no change is in the works (note Dee Hart's backtracking and Greg Brown's plans for early enrollment) it isn't a bad plan of action, all things considered.

Of course, I could just be making all of this up.

Blue in Yarmouth

December 6th, 2010 at 12:31 PM ^

I find myself in agreement with most things I read that you post, but I disagree somewhat here. Actually, I agree this could be his thinking, but if it is I disagree with his handling of it.

There is no question DB has a rationale for what he is doing at this point. The worst part for us (as fans) is it won't become evident until after this is all over.

The ONLY way any of this makes sense is if JH is brought in following the bowl game. Otherwise this delay has done nothing other than cause a great deal of uncertainty around a program that has had enough to deal with over the past few years.

DB made a mistake when he made the timeline for his decision public. The only one who needed to know was RR, but by making it public he opened himself up to all the criticism that has followed. Had he not mentioned it, he could have easily adjusted it without looking like he made a mistake.

This has caused him to make another possible mistake (only time will tell to be sure). If RR comes back this timeline was absultely a mistake and I haven't seen a single reason that would justify why it would be a good idea for this decision to take this much time should that be the direction he takes.

It has been mentioned that a good CEO doesn't make decision based on popular opinion, and I agree. I also believe, however, that a good CEO recognizes when he has made a mistake and doesn't put his pride above the company he represents. He acknowledges a mistake was made and rectifies it.

A good CEO is also a leader who isn't afraid of making tough decisions if it is in the best interest of the organization. I don't think DB (if he is a good CEO) is waiting for the decision to make itself ( as you suggest may be the case in your post) and if he is, I would put forth that he isn't a good CEO.

To close, I guess what I am saying is the only way any of this is justifiable is if JH is coming (Full disclosure,:I hope RR stays). If that isn't the plan, DB should be keen enough to understand that things have changed and therefore his timeline should as well. Sticking to a timeline simply because you made one is a little silly at this point.

PurpleStuff

December 6th, 2010 at 12:46 PM ^

I would much rather he just publicly say "Rodriguez is the coach for next year.  Deal."  I guess I'm just speculating (like everyone else) but like you I have been very puzzled by Brandon's stance and don't really see the benefit either way.  This was basically an exercise in giving him the benefit of the doubt. 

I would note that in this scenario he isn't necessarily letting the decision make itself in the future, but rather has made up his mind or had it made up for him (either he wants Rodriguez and knows it or he knows Harbaugh isn't coming and has decided in that event that Rodriguez is the best option).  It would allow him to stay even handed (after the season, repeat, after the season) while letting the course of events he knows is coming (Harbaugh gets an extension or takes NFL job) deflect some of the animosity and criticism away from the program.  If part of Brandon's job is to shape opinion and manage expectations, I can see a big benefit in advocating Rodriguez over Hoke as opposed to Rodriguez over Harbaugh.  If Brandon can get that result by simply sticking to his guns on the timeline (while hopefully reassuring hesitant recruits) then I can at least see some logic behind the decision. 

Blue in Yarmouth

December 6th, 2010 at 2:46 PM ^

Yes, and perhaps I didn't come across clearly in my post that you certainly lay out a plausible reason for what is transpiring. I think of all the scenarios I have seen thrown around yours is definitely one of the most logical.

I guess my main point wasn't that your hypothesis was wrong, just that even in the circumstances you put forth, I still think the delay is a mistake. However, as we all know, my opinion isn't a big factor where DB is concerned.

nickb

December 6th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^

I am becoming concerned over his competency. Let us not forget when Brandon was at Domino Pizza the brand and product suffered badly to the point where Domino ran commercials acknowledging they were bad.

The coaching situation at Michigan is being handled in a similar fashion. Rather than being aggressive in going out and getting the right guy for the job, Brandon fiddles while the hallowed halls of Michigan football degenerates into being the butt of jokes nationally. Maybe the next time they run a commercial regarding MIchigan, it will say "we screwed up but trust us will do better".

What a disaster if Harbaugh signs the extension. WE are stuck with a coach who has one foot off the cliff while singing "You Raise Me Up". Future recruits will roll theirs eyes.

Sopwith

December 6th, 2010 at 11:44 AM ^

for anyone who didn't click through, is really this part:

"We have a proposal in front of Jim and he's indicated he plans to accept it," Bowlsby said Sunday.

The "indicated he plans to accept it" part seems, you know, kinda vaguely possibly might be meaningful, or perhaps not, or wishful thinking, or genuinely factual, or just splunge. 

Blue in Yarmouth

December 6th, 2010 at 11:43 AM ^

I have listened to all this DB love and posts about the undying faith so many have in the guy, but I have to say, with each passing day my faith in the guy diminishes.

This is the first evidence we have in which to judge DB as an AD.. None of his past really correlates that well to being an AD. In this instance, I can't see how anyone thinks this timeline isn't a massive mistake. Beyond this, no one can point to anything to say "remember when DB did this and everything worked out....just have faith". He hasn't done anything to this point to warrant that faith.

People keeping defending DB by saying things like he isn't wielding to the bitching of fans and media but that is drastically understating what is going on here. Due to the uncertainty of the situation we are losing ground with current targets and it looks like we may possibly lose some of those already considered to be in the fold because of the way this has been handled. To say the only purpose speeding up his agenda would hold would be to satisfy fans and media is absurd.

I am a Cardiologist but have many friends in the business world and I can say that there aren't many CEO's that don't recognize that there will be times when situations dictate that you need to abandon what you thought was the correct course of action and move in another direction. Changing your stance or gameplan because of a change in situation doesn't make you a weak leader, it makes you a smart one.

The biggest mistake he made was providing a concrete timeline for his evaluation, there was really no need to do that with anyone outside the program. He has a chance to put his pride aside and do what is in the best interest of the program now, even though it goes against his original plan. If he can't do that, I will say he has made two monumental mistakes in the short time he has been the AD at UM.

I am not saying DB won't turn out to be a great AD, but I am questioning all the faith people have in him considering the evidence we have to go on thus far.

CompleteLunacy

December 6th, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

however I disagree with the notion that he needs to go against his original plan. Wouldn't that negatively affect him as a leader? Going back on your plans that were repeated over and over again? It's not really a pride thing necessarily...I think going back against his word would be detrimental...people might look at it and say that when it came time to put his word to actions, he faulted and went back on it. Doesn't that negatively reflect his leadership?

And by that same token, wouldn't we then be able to say that we can't ever trust what DB says, because he changes his mind all the time?

Blue in Yarmouth

December 6th, 2010 at 3:02 PM ^

This is largely dependent on what the end result is. If he brings JH in, then the timeline was likely essential and something he had very little control over. JH may have said he can't do it until after the bowl or all bets are off.

However, if his intent has been to retain RR then changing his timeline doesn't mean he isn't a good leader, nor that he isn't trustworthy. As I have said, the biggest problem is that he made the timeline public and thus opened himself up to public scrutiny. I don't understand why he had to be so specific to the media, but he was.

Good leaders know when a mistake has been made and they take responsibility and rectify the problem. Not even CEO's (or leaders as you say in your post) are immune from making mistakes. The really good ones are able to recognize they made them and aren't shy about taking responsibility and fixing them.

How many great military leaders have made mistakes while commanding troops in various wars? Do you think they sit back and let things spiral out of control while their troops are getting killed simply because they feel "I am a great leader and if I signal a retreat, people might question whether I really am a great leader or not". Leaders can change their minds as circumstances change and it doesn't make them bad leaders.

To finish, as I said previously, if JH was the target all the while then DB hasn't made any mistake and this timeframe was essential. However, if he has always planned on keeping RR, I think a good leader (as you put it) would have re-evaluated the situation as it has changed and adjusted his timeline.

It isn't like he would have to come out looking like a fool. It could simply be said that the evaluation didn't take as long as initially thought.

The Denarding

December 6th, 2010 at 11:44 AM ^

This is how you make an executive decision as a CEO.  It is not an impulsive job (unless you are a founding CEO whom tend to be impulsive by nature).  You have to weigh all the facts in hand, and see if the failing division can:

A) turn around the existing process issues

B)  Has a plan to scale production to meet demand

C)  Can maintain operational integrity in the face of growth

D)  Has all the resources necessary to execute

Any part of management that can't manage the above has to change.   Any managers that stick their neck out for underperforming staff can't effectively manage.  

I actually think the reason DB is waiting until January is because he is actually a man of his word and is evaluating the totality of the program.  He wants to know what Rich's plan is for growing the offense, fixing the defense, advancing recruiting and marketing the brand.  If Rich is willing to go out on a limb for Greg or Brandon doesn't see a commitment from Rich to address the growth of the WHOLE team then he won't have a choice but to let him go.  But that is something he won't know until they have real time to sit down, discuss the issues and see if they are on the same page with the issues.

I am actually in the camp that Jim Harbaugh is a red herring.  If you are going to replace a CEO you never, ever discuss the job even in back channels yourself with the new CEO.  You conduct a CEO search after firing the existing CEO.  The reasons are numerous mostly that you can't control leaks from the other side of the recruitment (ie. Harbaugh's people),  you don't want the morale of internal personnel to deteriorate to the point they can't do their current job and issues related to tampering.  

I think I would be very very surprised if RRod is fired and Harbaugh is announced the next day.  I'm not saying Jim couldn't be the next coach, I just don't believe it has even been actioned in anyway.

Sven_Da_M

December 6th, 2010 at 11:52 AM ^

... DB learned from Bill Martin's ham-fisted handling of finding Lloyd's replacement (Carr not Brady).   Dare we forget what it was like to have Michigan's desperate search Page One sports news during the league championships?  Spurned by Les "Damn Strong" Miles? (And later by Greg "Chop Wood" Schiano)?

If we get any decommits, (a) good riddance and (b) it's probably more due to the Iowa, PSU, Wisconsin and tOSU losses than anything else.

We may not get Harbaugh.  And the "anybody but RichRod" contingent are the same people who start screaming for the backup in Week 2 of the NFL season.

(Edit: one GIGANTIC +1 to The Denarding, who posted while I wrote this.  EFZ!).

Ratt

December 6th, 2010 at 11:59 AM ^

Some people on here are as bad as the Feep & Detnews. RR is the head coach! Until that changes we have nothing to talk about!

Your just giving more fuel to the papers to keep writing there crap.

NateVolk

December 6th, 2010 at 12:06 PM ^

Rich signed a new contract a few weeks before he left for Michigan too. I wanna say right before WVA's season in 07.  Most big time coaches who bolt on a school for a better job do so under a recent contract extension.  It is an important move to head off negative recruiting. Smart by Stanford and Harbaugh.

If he signs it, it might show us that there have been little to no discussions between Brandon and Harbaugh.  Or it might not even show us that. We're all left to guess.

It looks like I am in the minority  that thinks Brandon is playing this pretty well IF we accept as truth this story: he would prefer Harbaugh, but that absent that option, Rich coming back is his next best choice.   It sure seems like that is the only story that makes sense given Brandon's approach.

Harbaugh signing an extension doesn't change that possibility, but it might up the cost to Michigan.  It definitely adds weight to the public approach of Harbaugh that he is happy at Stanford. It will help a lot with recruiting.

RadioSimon1983

December 6th, 2010 at 12:11 PM ^

98% of current Michigan alumni players hate RR after the bust... but if he starts winning football games and beats MSU and OSU and goes to the Rose Bowl he'll be ok by them.  This has nothing to do with anything other than wins and losses.  Now RR is getting more W's than L's and slowly but surely people will start to like him more.

 

Unless he gets fired and they hire Harbaugh.  Then it won't matter.  But I don't think that's going to happen.

GoBlue007

December 6th, 2010 at 12:24 PM ^

Stanford's announcement this morning was to be expected.  Their AD cannot standby idle while his star HQ leaves, after all their AD has to answer to their alumni and Regent's.  At least he an ensured a hire hurdle towards getting JH and a larger buyout from anyone that wants him.  If you trust DB then he has anticipated this, which is not uncommon in corp buyouts of execs.

VaUMWolverine

December 6th, 2010 at 1:27 PM ^

If DB is really just waiting for the bowl game to decide and all of these discussions are just overthinking what he's actually thinking. Wouldnt that be funny??? Wouldnt it? Hello? Is thing on?

ChalmersE

December 6th, 2010 at 1:31 PM ^

(probably unwelcome for the most part and undoubtedly redundant to at least half the board)

1.  Stanford's AD may be trying to force Harbaugh into saying something publicly that he doesn't want to say.  Either I'm staying or I'm leaving.  This would be similar to what LSU did to Miles when Herbstreit said it was a done deal.  

2.  If Brandon is undecided at this point, he's not doing anyone any favors.  Does beating -- or losing -- to Mississippi freakin' State make a difference to anyone vis-a-vis Rodriguez' status????   If he's decided to keep Rodriguez and won't say it, then he's an idiot.  Even if he really meant, he would evaluate things after the Bowl game, the inertia has changed and he can't hold off any more.  The only way silence behooves Brandon is if either Harbaugh's undecided or Harbaugh's already decided to take the job, but asked him to wait until after the Bowl game.

 

 

bluefrombirth

December 6th, 2010 at 1:47 PM ^

Maybe there never was a controversy. Perhaps the only people talking a coaching change have been the dolphin punching seal clubbers, and the blogosphere. Is it hard to believe that Dave Brandon never had any intentions on changing coaches, and that RRod already knows this, and maybe he has been reassured behind closed doors? Perhaps the only people that have been shortsighted, or mishandled this thing is us.Instaed of anticipating a good match up with a quality opponent in a bowl game. We are yellocuting rumors and unsubstantiated conjecture.

NorthwesternFan

December 6th, 2010 at 2:09 PM ^

when making this decision. He is going to look at the long term benefits of this decision. Yeah, a good recruiting class would be nice this year, but DB is not factoring that into his decision.

Soulfire21

December 6th, 2010 at 2:57 PM ^

If we're going to get JH, Michigan will buy out his contract regardless.  All it is is another news story to generate hits, capitalizing on the drama surrounding the program.

rudy523

December 6th, 2010 at 3:45 PM ^

Sorry Guys I'm new to this board be gentle

If JH had an out in his original contract that allowed him to leave if the Michigan job came open and he signs this new extension but that clause stay’s in there. The extension means nothing to us just the other schools trying to get him.