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|1 day 14 hours ago||Withhold judgment and see on Helton||
I've seen each of their games start to finish. They have absolutely been a different, much more physical team offensively since Sark left. Noticeable even to non-sophisticated eyes like mine. Their rushing yards have shot way up and they're blocking with much greater effectiveness. Defensively they'll have to get a new coordinator most likely. But games where they've played man to man and attacked the line of scrimmage they've looked a lot better. It's senseless to play soft coverages with the level of athletes they stock on that roster. I think this guy gets it and has a very good reputation with quarterbacks at the school. It's still a program with ground to make up from the sanctions. So they are going to get slapped around a little by really good teams. Don't assume this guy is some boob is all I am saying.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Obviously Harbaugh isn't||
Obviously Harbaugh isn't saying it's cool and laughing it off. Get real. That's not how he's wired and that's not what Michigan is about. But whether or not we as fans accept the reality of where our talent is versus OSU doesn't matter in Michigan's results. We're fans. But facts are facts in terms of where everything is. You could have played that thing yesterday ten times, have Harbaugh and company coach a perfect game (which they clearly fell short of ) and I don't think Michigan wins one time. That was a veteran elite team that belongs in the playoff but screwed themselves with a bad game the week before. Michigan has to get better players and put them through Jim's program for multiple seasons to consistently beat teams like we played yesterday. It might even be way diferent next year. But right now two totally different planets.
|2 days 20 hours ago||shrug the shoulders and move on||
That stuff can happen when you play a truly elite college offense with basically everyone back from a National Championship run. Ask MSU at home playing them last year. That was an equivalent blood bath perpetrated on their defense. And that MSU team was considered Playoff material with an elite defese from the beginning of the season by the pundits. We came to the party on that discussion very late and even then it was pretty ambitious. Reality: we have maybe 2 NFL ready guys and none on either line. Bottom line is if OSU shows up, interested, and their coach calls an aggressive intelligent game, no one in our conference is stopping them currently. They'd like to have last week back and I'll bet our coaches would like to have some aspects of yesterday back too. But it probably wouldn't have mattered either way. That's where Michigan is at. Won two we probably shouldn't have and lost one we probably shouldn't have. So 8-4 or 9-3, with a bowl to play is a nice foundation. My thinking is take our medicine with grace, accept MSU fans yapping about their success (the world knows how lucky they got against us), and watch with patience because Harbaugh and his people will get us there. If you doubt at all he will, you're ignoring over a decade of history at three different coachin stops. Stanford being the most miraculous. That was the ultimate crater rebuild to end all rebuilds. What you see there now is all his early foundational work.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||There has always been a part||
There has always been a part of me that thinks Michigan is an easy mark for bad calls. Michigan's less chippy style of play coupled with generally being above making a big deal about poor officiating gives a license to officials to not work hard to get the calls right. I was glad Harbaugh said what he said in the press conference. Can't think of any other coach who would have stayed quiet.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Call it what it was||
As a time saver, I took this approach first thing this morning. Any Sparty who won't acknowledge the ending was anything but luck for an otherwise beaten team, won't get me to participate in a game discussion. If they will be intellectually honest about what happened, no problem at all talking about it in depth. And congratulating them on honest, fair competition and coming out on top.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Having lived in other States,||
Having lived in other States, I can say that's true. Very good comparison with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. The only place the cries of OSU fans about parity or "dominance" of the rivalry is taken seriously is inside the state itself. Fans outside of the state don't give bluster like that any weight. Creating the sense that one program has become as important or prominent as the long term successful one is a a tool for local media to pump up ratings and page views. It's manufactured reality. It's a favorite trick of many in the Michigan media. Two in particular have turned baiting Michigan fans with made-up opinions into their ticket to an early retirement.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||This thread may or may not be||
This thread may or may not be based on a thin premise, but it's one of the best ones on here since approximately 7:22 last night. There is great big picture thinking happening among the posters. I feel a ton better reading through this. I think that feeling will be ratcheted up even more after reading Brian's monday recap. That's my hope.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||I still think the booth||
I still think the booth people relayed the wrong number down. The Morgan hit right before was a lot closer to targeting with the helmet than what Bolden did. Bad call and cost us a quality player. No question.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Plus the difference in big time talent currently||
Cook is a top ten pick this coming April. Jake will be lucky to get invited to a camp as a free agent in all likelihood. Add in the fact of the number of players they had on pre-season All America and Todd McShay type guru watch lists and the analogy is even more appropriate. I laughed all week at the pre-game injury excuse talk from Sparty fans. If you have a coach who hasn't built a quality bench after 8 years on the job, you don't have a coach. And we all know the jerk can coach. They are further along than Michigan program wise as far as talent development. A lot further. Jim will narrow that gap faster than probably anyone else alive could though.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||If you win more plays over||
If you win more plays over the course of a game, the officiating becomes far less important. Better talent gets to 2nd and 5 rather than 2nd and 9 or 10 for example. It exploits a secondary like we saw yesterday. Michigan isn't there yet on the personnel front. To be able to lead the whole game against a team that had that level of quarterback and defensive line is definite progress. I wouldn't trade Michigan's future for any program in the country. Not one. We have probably the best football coach in America, in his prime and he's hungry as heck to turn us into a power. Yesterday is just another year of pain listening to dufus State fans. That's really all it was in the big picture.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Need better players. When||
Need better players. When Harbaugh has had his chance to recruit and develop players in 2 or 3 seasons, we'll look back and know the reality of our current roster. There are about 8 guys at the most who would maybe start for one of the elite teams in the country. The rest are being coached to their max potential to hold up against great teams. In that overachiever group are almost the entire offense except for one guy, all the linebackers and all but two dbs. Plus we lack even one elite pass rusher. You're going to be in a lot of these close games against established good teams until you upgrade the roster. But it takes time. When Michigan State has more NFL players than you, it shows you how far afield the program had strayed.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Michigan fans understand it||
Michigan fans understand it takes a little time and some recruiting classes to build something sustainable. I don't think it's anybody's vision to have a passing game that can't exploit a defense like we encountered yesterday or to play "close" games. Yesterday was an extremely painful growing pain where horrid luck happened. That's what the ending was. Rotten luck. Nothing more. But the direction this is going is exciting on the whole.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||If we didn't have to deal||
If we didn't have to deal with their bandwagon dim wit fans at work and family gatherings throughout the year, I doubt people would be nearly as upset on here as they are. It wasn't a good loss because those don't exist, but it was acceptable and might end up helping the progress of the long term trajectory. So many things had to go exactly right for a them to win at they end and they all did. That's fluke luck. Nothing more.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Blaming officials for the loss misses the point||
I've always thought the way coaches choose to end games on 4th down with a lead needs to be rethought. Firing the ball backwards toward your own endzone 15 to 20 yards, against a heavy rush and putting it in the hands of one your most unathletic players overflows with risk. It's what you see every team do in that situation but maybe this will cause a change now. Like how teams guard the inbounder on last second plays after Duke Kentucky in 1992. Michigan didn't lose because of officiating yesterday. That's lame. It is a roster loaded with average to good players who are being coached up magnificently. But this will be Jim's worst team at Michigan going forward. Outside of Butt, a couple o-lineman, the d line (which has no elite pass rusher), Peppers, and maybe Lewis and the punter, none of these guys start for a top flight program. That's like 2/3 of your team that isn't where it needs to be or will be talent wise. Michigan lost to a team with better personnel yesterday to a coach going on a decade building things up. It stung but there is no shame in that. As the gaping roster issues get fixed with recruiting, results will follow.
|7 weeks 7 hours ago||If a guy plays or if he||
If a guy plays or if he doesn't is the dividing line on injuries.
This constant chatter about it by MSU, their MSM stooges, and their fans is tiresome.
Brian pointed out what Michigan will be missing for certain. I'll be willing to bet that when the ball is kicked off State's list won't look much worse in relative importance.
Hobbling around playing hurt is a lot of college football at this point, yet Michigan State gets to both count it is an actual injury and use it before a game as an acceptable excuse.
|31 weeks 5 days ago||Mike Williams. USC. They||
Mike Williams. USC. They found him on a basketball court in Florida.
Unbelievable college receiver without blazing speed.
|32 weeks 9 hours ago||8 sounds good and let's put||
8 sounds good and let's put the first round games on campuses. Give the better ranked teams a reward and inject some flavor and atmosphere into these games.
Maybe this will send a Southern team to a northern campus in December. Something that people have been wanting to see for years.
|32 weeks 14 hours ago||^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The last||
The last coach of Michigan could likely will be answering this ad. And he was killing it in the recruiting service rankings.
Let's not forget who is in charge of things. We might be going too far into nerdville whining about recruiting rankings. Also let's not forget what Dantonio's 2 and 3 stars have been doing to Michigan for most of the last half-decade.
|35 weeks 13 hours ago||Stanford might have been the||
Stanford might have been the worst Pac 10 program of the last thirty years when Jim took over. Throwing winning percentages around when analyzing the job he did there is pure intellectual dishonesty.
What he did there was a miracle. He left before he could chew up successive ten wins seasons and pump up his W/L.
Instead, he went and won seventy percent of his games in the pros with average at best quarterback play.
OSU fans root for a program that got fat off a cheater's mill under Tressell. The NCAA came to town for two weeks and let the whole thing just slide by with no meaningful investigation. A decade of a coach who preached integrity, qualifying borderline students and keeping them compensated with a network of freebies and do nothing summer jobs.
To prove they learned no lesson, they hired Meyer and his unmatched record of criminal coddling down at Florida
Their fabulous record during that stretch is the product of everything Michigan refuses to ever be.
We should be glad of it.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Totally. I still have a lot||
I still have a lot of faith that once Michigan starts being really good again at football, the above is how the fan base will really feel about things like the Izzo drool fest. There won't be this strange worry over whether State wins a game against Louisville in late March.
Stumbling around in football has caused a widespread insecurity among the fanbase. Also the stumbling has coincided with the explosion of social media and all the junk that gets tossed around on there.
But it's all about taking charge of the interaction by knowing what matters most to State fan. That is flexing their flabby sports fan muscles in the face of a Michigan fan and drawing a reaction.
|35 weeks 2 days ago||Years of Spartys in my family and among friends has taught me..||
The best way to cope with Sparty fan during these March droolings over Izzo. When they bring the game up, tell them you saw "parts" of the game and you "checked the score later on". And then say something like "pretty exciting huh?" Be nice and positive.
It really ticks them off.
Remember the psychology: it's attention they want and a close second is they want to rub it in you as a Michigan fan. If you aren't drawn into a discussion of any depth, it gets to them. If you act like it's fine, it gets to them.
I like to throw in things like "yeah State looked pretty good when I was watching. Exciting stuff."
It works like magic. It's a middle ground between arguing about Michigan v. Michigan State and the other extreme of acting like you don't care and didn't watch.
That second thing never works and makes you look weak.
If they can't get to Michigan fans, a huge part of the fun is sucked dry.. That's as important as the actual success to them. Maybe more.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||The cure for the angst I am||
The cure for the angst I am seeing on here from a lot of Michigan fans: move out of the state. I lived out of state for almost a decade during the Sparty's basketball height in the early 2000s.
In March you didn't get bombarded with the media and their fans like you do in Michigan. No one cared or knew much about them.
The other upside was as a State grad no one knew about Michigan State and they'd always ask me questions about my time at Michigan. Kind of like I got a Michigan degree with the lesser State level effort and requirements.
If you can't move like I did, just know it's going to be OK. You are a captive audience that doesn't represent the normal world out there.
|35 weeks 6 days ago||I think this is cool if it||
I think this is cool if it fits the relationship among the people involved. Assume that it does given Jay is Jim's son and Jim is one of the best on the planet at his job.
Since we don't know the nature of that relationship and we don't jack about recruiting for the most part, this might be genius at work.
At least allow for the possibility of all the above before labeling based on your own biases and collective ignorance.
|36 weeks 8 hours ago||I was one. Lawyers produce||
I was one. Lawyers produce nothing. But I'd love to see that world without them thing tried out for a test run at some point in time.
|36 weeks 9 hours ago||Lawyers produce nothing. They||
Lawyers produce nothing. They mostly shuffle paper around. Plus the profession is extremely high stress.
When that hits home and it hits home that it won't ever change, you'll jump ship. If your lucky and can afford to jump ship with no family counting on the paycheck you are making as a lawyer.
If they are, you are trapped. For life.
|36 weeks 1 day ago||Many many benefits and I don't feel like I miss anything||
I second getting rid of TV.
Did it last July fed up with the cable bill and fed up with my general inertia of life. I go to bars for Michigan games or chill and listen to Brando and Dan.
It became just as enjoyable. The radio announcers do a super job of describing everything.
I started writing books and went from zero to a couple grand a month in income too. Took that TV time and made it writing time. Create rather than react to what others create.
The other thing is I notice I am a better listener because talking to people is actual entertainment, not just more noise.
And I exercise more....and... and.....
TV is a weight on progress in life. Never knew how much until I got rid of it.
|37 weeks 2 days ago||I don't know wny any receiver||
I don't know why any receiver who wants to learn the craft of being a receiver for the next level would play in that system. There are so many turn and stand in space routes because teams get caught over playing the run.
Harbaugh will recruit lights out over the long haul and that includes huge improvement in the next class. Michigan gives him way more access than he had at Stanford. He recruited amazingly well there.
|42 weeks 5 days ago||A year that might make a lot||
A year that might make a lot of fans go "hmmmm". He hadn't touched power numbers like that since his 20s.
Not really even close.
The list of guys who made one year power number jumps like he made in the twilight of a career is mighty short and includes Bonds and Mark McGuire. Plus Victor was post knee surgery. Playing in a major pitcher's park.
Couple that with the obvious fact that the market for a power hitting DH is way way more lucrative than one that hits for just average, and.... Well it's just interesting.
I've watched baseball for 30 years, I've rarely seen a ball jump off a guy's bat like it did his when he made contact. Sometimes it was down right cartoonish.
|43 weeks 2 days ago||The Saban situation with the||
The Saban situation with the regular NFL flirtations has taught us something.
It's a lot easier to keep him than it is to get him in the first place. Family ties/stability, relative ease and hours of the job, atmosphere, the obvious need for a top quarterback to win in the pros, not to mention competitive pay compared to the pros, makes leaving a great college job very very difficult.
|44 weeks 4 hours ago||Look it up, but I bet||
Look it up, but I bet Michigan has one of the 3 highest winning percentages in the country from that point forward.
It was Novak. That woke everybody up.