FSU’s Jordan Travis’ response to the CFP picks
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:35 PM ^
Why even play the games?
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Right. Name me another team sport where the winning team got in based on someone’s opinion. It would eliminate any storybook postseasons. See 1987 Twins. Or the 7 wildcards who won the Super Bowl.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:53 PM ^
All NCAA sports. Hoops is slanted for higher seeds and shitty Mid majors make it over better teams. Baseball favors southern schools also.
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:48 PM ^
It’s still too much like Ice Skating where the East German judge can give someone a 6 instead of a 10 - see FSU - and screw everything up. Why play the regular season? Fuck the SEC.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
Lack of parity, strength across conferences is not equal, teams play only within their "pods". There has to be a deeper examination than just wins and losses.
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:24 PM ^
Under that logic, the Patriots won the Super Bowl in 2007.
College football is a complete mess of a system and while the majority of D-1 teams should be relegated to a lesser league they just keep letting more in. The solution to “team A has a better record but team B looks better” should never be to reward team B. Football ain’t a beauty contest.
December 3rd, 2023 at 6:31 PM ^
Pro sports have rules to keep competitive balance. They don't always work (MLB American league central division) but over the long haul they do. How would we feel if Iowa had gone undefeated in the big ten west and won the big10 championship. Sure it's a leap in logic but the way college football is set up wins and losses can't be the only determining factors for the playoffs
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:57 PM ^
Or if injured players are such a factor for the CFP committee, what happens when/if opposing teams use this to their advantage to take out skill position players knowing it could keep teams from being selected.
I hate to even suggest it but in these big time conference championship games, who knows what coaches are instructing their players to do. Just sucks that this is an element into the equation. FSU didn’t bitch about the cards they were dealt and finished unbeaten. Yet for their adversity, they’ll be sitting out of the CFP. Shameful…
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:18 PM ^
Great point. I’m not a Noles fan but what a bunch of BS. They were in the top 4 when play started on Saturday. They go out and win their game to become ACC champions and remain undefeated. Yet a team 4 spots below them jump them in the final standings. That is a tragedy and the committee should be ashamed of themselves for putting Alabama ahead of them
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:56 PM ^
Trying to approach this with a little bit of nuance: If FSU had gone out and gotten stomped by Louisville, I'd be more amenable. Instead, they showed they had a very serious D, as (I guess) lost of their followers knew. The SEC has twenty million more regular viewers than the ACC, though. If Bama beats us, god forbid, that's 40 million more eyeballs gooing the ceaseless commercials.
December 3rd, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
YET, THEY'LL COME AT MICHIGAN ALL YEAR FOR PLAYING A weak SCHEDULE!!!!
ALL IT GOT MICHIGAN FOR PLAYING A weak SCHEDULE IS THE #1 SPOT IN ALL 3 POLLS!!!!!!!!!
THE SYSTEM IS EFFED UP!!!!!!!!
GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^
I feel for the guy. And he should probably win the Archie Griffin award. But if Florida State wants to prove it, they need to beat Georgia. And if they don’t, then the committee will be justified. Without him, I don’t think FSU can beat Georgia.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^
The point is that they've earned the right to get a shot at it.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:09 PM ^
Exactly and motivations and performance changes when you don't get the shot. So it's still not an a justification to leave them out whether they beat or lose to UGA.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:41 PM ^
Probably the exact reason they got matched up with Georgia.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:47 PM ^
It will be interesting to see who sits for Georgia. But, I’m sure this matchup is not “just coincidence”.
Are the CFP Selection Committee meetings under any sort of a privacy / non-disclosure agree?
I’d pay to listen to how they reached their choice on the 4 v 5 ranking.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
FOIA?
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:12 PM ^
FOIA only works for public entities (local/state/federal government and public schools). Pretty sure the CFP committee is private, so foia wouldn’t apply
December 3rd, 2023 at 6:13 PM ^
"FOIA only works for public entities (local/state/federal government and public schools). Pretty sure the CFP committee is private, so foia wouldn’t apply"
Only here do you get irritating facts from lawyer-types. I guess this is part of the burden we have to bear as, to quote Harbaugh, "Michigan Nation." When you go to RCMB or that 11-something thing they can spin a narrative for pages without facts being interjected. They can live in a Tolkien-esque fantasy, and we get deprived by facts. (no shade on Tolkien intended)
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
And who sits for FSU….these games not inside the playoffs have taken on a significant difference in importance than they used to.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
It's all about the money.
The SEC has to be represented in the CFP or ESPN would have a fit.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Although Georgia is more compelling then a LIBERTY I still suspect a number of players to opt out and not risk their NFL draft day.
Why would Maserati Marv want anything to do with a Mizzou Cotton Bowl? Power to him if he shows just surprised they did not match Ohio with Oregon. Liberty should be playing SMU or Tulane.
I enjoy David vs. Goliath in the sweet 16 of hoops but this is not as interesting in Bowl games.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
Fuck that. FSU got absolutely robbed, and it doesn't matter one shit what happens against Georgia.
December 3rd, 2023 at 7:26 PM ^
I'd say that they deserve a piece of the National Championship if they beat Georgia, but the points people raise about players sitting and motivations being different are valid.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:54 PM ^
But if Florida State wants to prove it, they need to beat Georgia
The problem with this reasoning is that neither team has the same motivation for this bowl that they would have had if they'd met in the regular season.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:00 PM ^
Wants to prove it? They beat every team on their schedule and their conference championship with their backup QB.
The justification period is over.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:03 PM ^
Ok. What if they win big. What if UM blows off Bama. Can they go back and rewrite the history? They can't. That kid was piled on by the committee. Period.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:08 PM ^
Yes. It sucks. I hate the 4 team seeding almost as much as I hated the 2 team seeding. I can’t wait for a 12 team playoff. I wanted Florida state to be in the playoff, I thought they deserved it more. I just can’t imagine a world where they’d beat Georgia or Alabama without their heisman contender for a QB. Hell, I thought Alabama got lucky against Georgia. I’m not on the committee, though. Someone was going to get screwed and I’m glad it wasn’t Michigan this year.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:45 PM ^
Yeah this is by far the biggest problem with the decision in my opinion. You have a kid that has to carry the burden of his team being unfairly pushed out of the playoffs because he got injured.
Never mind the fact that they still persevered and won games in spite of his injury. It's almost backwards logic by the committee.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:52 PM ^
Beating Georgia proves nothing meangful for Florida State. They don't retroactively get made a playoff team with a shot at the national championship.
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:12 PM ^
if Alabama wants to get in then they need to prove it and beat Texas. End of story.
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^
no one thought we could lose in The Horror but we still played the game
December 3rd, 2023 at 7:56 PM ^
The game isnt going to be the same now as if it was a playoff game. I'm sure several players are going to be sitting out and the motivational level isn't the same. Apples and oranges.
December 4th, 2023 at 5:42 AM ^
That's a weak argument. Playing in a meaningless bowl is not the same as a playoff - not the same motivation and many players may opt out of the game. And FSU earned a spot in the playoff but got shafted.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:38 PM ^
Florida State dropped for beating a top 15 team by two scores, while Texas jumped four spots for beating an unranked team. Insane.
The mental gymnastics the committee went through to get Bama in is beyond disgraceful.
December 3rd, 2023 at 3:50 PM ^
Oklahoma State was ranked 18th and got walloped by Texas. Florida State played #16 and managed to get just 219 yards of offense. I’m not saying that it’s fair. The system is changing because it needs to change. The playoff expansion can’t come at a better time than this.
December 3rd, 2023 at 8:28 PM ^
Dude, that’s dumb shit. Do you watch football to decide who’s good, or do you just compare scores? FSU, like UM last night, played a very particular game plan to protect their wounded offense. They did it with great smothering defense. It doesn’t matter what yards they got. They were never really threatened. UM did the same thing against PSU and Iowa. Had it not been for a punt return and that weird fumble, we might have only beaten Iowa 15-0. But it might as well have been 49-0. It’s about minimizing risk and it’s what FSU did. Meanwhile, Texas can’t play good defense and run the ball, so they do all their fancy screens and score lots of points because they have to. And who cares about the ranks. Didn’t Alabama just need a generational lucky play to beat unranked Auburn?
December 4th, 2023 at 12:10 PM ^
FSU also held Louisville without a touchdown....the first time that has happened in 7 years. And if the low yardage is an issue, Bama only put up 300 yards against USF...which had one of the worst defenses in all of college football (FAU gained 600 yards on USF).
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:18 PM ^
Alabama earned their spot. The team that should be sitting out is Texas. The problem is, the head-to-head fetishists who insist that the results of one game have to be used to make the other 12 meaningless got their way.
"Texas beat Alabama." Yeah, well, Oklahoma beat Texas, and Oklahoma State beat Oklahoma, and South Alabama beat Oklahoma State, and Central Michigan beat South Alabama, Michigan State beat Central Michigan, and Minnesota beat Michigan State. Where does it stop?
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:22 PM ^
It stops at head to head. Texas won AT Bama by 10.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:25 PM ^
Why? There's no logical reason to count the first game but not count the others. Texas's loss is worse than Alabama's. Alabama's best win is approximately as good as Texas's.
Would you rather Michigan were playing Texas in the Rose Bowl or Alabama?
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:41 PM ^
This is a ridiculous take. "Alabama is better than Texas because Alabama lost to Texas and Texas lost to Oklahoma."
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^
It's no less valid than "Texas is better than Alabama because Texas beat Alabama, but Texas is better than Oklahoma because Oklahoma lost to Oklahoma State" or "because Oklahoma lost twice" or whatever other reason you're selecting to pick that one result out and decide it's the end-all, be-all of the season.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^
I just think a head to head win is the gold standard for a tie breaker.
Both teams have one loss, both teams won their conference championship. How can we pick between the two? "Texas beat Alabama on the field, therefore Texas" is a stronger argument to me than "Texas lost to a decent Oklahoma team and Alabama lost to a very good Texas team, therefore Alabama". I don't see how a head to head match up isn't the better way to break the tie.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:58 PM ^
Alabama loses to Auburn, Auburn loses to LSU, LSU loses two SEC games. Who goes to the SEC title game?
December 3rd, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^
Apparently, according to Coach Harbaugh, the team that their Lord Jesus Christ our Savior likes the most would go.
December 3rd, 2023 at 6:45 PM ^
Why is head-to-head result the first tie-breaker for determining conference division champion?
December 3rd, 2023 at 10:15 PM ^
No it’s not. Remember when undefeated ND upset #1 Florida State? ND then moved to #1 and promptly lost at home to unranked BC the next week and dropped from #1. They both finished 11-1 and FSU moved back to #1 when ND lost. Should ND have just gotten a free loss to middling BC simply because they won a tight home game against FSU. That wouldn’t make any sense either.
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^
Because head to head wins literally prove more than anything else can...The results are black and white. The rest is just opinions. Too many people get caught up in "good losses".
December 3rd, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^
Head-to-head wins prove a lot less than most people think. Teams that play each other multiple times split those games all the time.
A head-to-head win is one data point. It's not a reason to ignore every other data point though.